There's a balance between DC and Marvel

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Marvel dominates in live action

But DC dominates in animated by far.

One dominates what the other one lacks in...ironic
 

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I was going to say the samething lol
 

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MCU has what 13 films? vs DCEU who has 2....give it time to develop and lets see what Geoff Johns can bring to DCEU....I think he will be the stone that Kevin Feige was/is to MCU
 

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MCU has what 13 films? vs DCEU who has 2....give it time to develop and lets see what Geoff Johns can bring to DCEU....I think he will be the stone that Kevin Feige was/is to MCU

And both films are worse than any film in the MCU.
 

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They really are. Maybe Man of Steel is as good as the likes of Thor and The Dark World, but BvS wasn't on any of their levels for many reasons.
Dark knight rises is above every marvel movie tbh.


Original superman movies too
 

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Dark knight rises is above every marvel movie tbh.


Original superman movies too

Meh, I'd say Dark Knight rises is around the first Captain America, which is in the mid tier of the MCU.
 

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In the 90s it was vice versa. Xmen tas and Spider-Man tas was my shit every Saturday morning!!
 

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They really are. Maybe Man of Steel is as good as the likes of Thor and The Dark World, but BvS wasn't on any of their levels for many reasons.

not really....thor and hulk movies are worse so is iron man 3 and so is age of ultron
 

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What about in the TV show department tbh
 

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not really....thor and hulk movies are worse so is iron man 3 and so is age of ultron

Not even close tbvh. BvS had a pretty badly written plot. Acting stiff on certain points.

Characters whose presence simply feels shoe-horned. Changing characters to the point that they're no longer the same character or enjoyable.

Taking stories that would be perfect as individual movies, great as individual movies, and deserve to be individual movies, and hacking away everything endearing about them in order to cram them together into one story. Because of this movie, we'll need reboots to see a proper The Dark Knight Returns, a proper Batman vs Superman, and a proper Death of Superman. Because of this movie, those movies that could be fantastic were squandered in a cheap attempt to catch up to the MCU in two movies.

Failure to individualize Batman and Superman. The entire reason they fight in the comics and other media is over a clash of ideals. They both have different ideas about how to go about something. In this movie, they're the same person. Batman wants to kill Superman because he's a dangerous being who puts people in harm's way. Meanwhile, Superman wants to stop Batman because he's a dangerous vigilante that puts people in harm's way. They hate each other because they are each other and want to be only dangerous guy putting people in harm's way. At least in the comics and cartoons, there was a clash in Superman's ideology of not wanting to go too far and needing government collaboration, and Batman's ideology of needing to operate outside of government control and restrictions because without ruthlessness, he wouldn't be as effective in fighting crime. Not to mention all of the complexes and mental factors that add to the characters by addressing these principles, such as Superman's character revolving around a being with practically unlimited power and finding his inner humanity in order to use these powers to do what is absolutely right, and Batman being a mentally ill, ruthless, violent vigilante with a severe hero complex that doesn't let him do anything short of what is absolutely essential. They hint at these elements in the movie, but never explore them because it's bogged down by the ulterior motive of establishing the DCEU.

One thing the MCU has over every movie in the DCEU is that they don't just worry about creating a franchise with their movies, they also worry about actually making movies with their movies. Man of Steel was okay, but what sets BvS on a whole new level of suck, is that Snyder's main concern is "Next, next, next." It's present in making the movie itself, such as wasting Lois Lane's character by making her a chess piece, she was a device whose sole purpose was to help the movie transition from one area, one shot, one scene, to another, rather than being a fleshed out character. Don't believe me? Her biggest contribution to the movie was revealing to the audience that the man who framed Superman was..wait for it....are you ready? I don't think you're ready.......LEX LUTHOR. Who'd have guessed that Luthor was the bad guy of the film, right? No, instead of just showing us right off of the bat that Luthor is the one behind it and having Lois do something like discover his actual plan to warn and help Superman, as Lois Lane should do if you want to make her important, she discovers that Lex Luthor is the bad guy and then the movie has Lex explain his plan. Because good character arcs, right?

The entire movie is Snyder fellating himself with the idea of making a Justice League universe rather than making a compelling story about Batman and Superman coming to blows. All spectacle with a weak backbone, something the MCU knows how to avoid.
 

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Marvel dominates in live action

But DC dominates in animated by far.

One dominates what the other one lacks in...ironic
I've watched all of the Batman and justice league movies. The animated ones are great.

And true Marvel do have the best live action movies. Always keeps the hype and knows how to make good cliffhangers.
 

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yeah definitely accept with you DC animated movies are best compared to live movies they suck and vice versa with marvel.
 

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hella.

DC also has DC:U sadly :nosh:
 

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Considering how DCEU has only begun and is still going through changes in the staff, I'd leave the stand-off for some later time, atleast till we see 2 more movies. It is undeniable that currently Marvel is the main thing (well, along with Fox X-Men).

Back in the day tho and up to 2012, DC was beating Marvel in the quality department. Few would be dumb to deny the impact Burton's Batman had on the character's appeal and Reeve's Superman was a boost for the cultural icon. Meanwhile Marvel had the horrendus Captain America, Hulk and Thor movies. :sdo:

Funny how things change.

To be fair, the newer Batman animated films have been total garbage. I just don't like the DC animations in general these days. I do hope The Killing Joke goes well as it could be another classic along with Mask of Phantasm, The Dark Knight Returns and other hits.
 
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