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"poeple live their life bound by what they accept as correct and true,that's how they define reality..but what does it means to be 'correct' or 'true' merely vague concepts...AND THEIR REALITY MAY ALL BE A MIRAGE"...(itachi uchiha)
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1st hello to everyone...i really don't know how to start this thread...maybe i should begin with these 2 contradicting quotes : 1) uchiha Madara :" coming back to life is something i have planned "
... VS.....
2) itachi uchiha : "Madara lives still its up to you to wether believe me or not"..
-2 contradicting statements made by 2 badasses shinobies....all of you here of course will say Madara is right becuz he died and got revived and that itachi is wrong...wich means obito indeed fooled itachi....but patience plzz do not make hasty judgments ...WHAT IF BOTH OF ITACHI AND MADARA WERE RIGHT??..i mean what if Madara was dead and alive at the same time??...it doesn't make sence right?? xD...well wether you believe it or not : Uchiha Madara was dead and alive at the same time !!!....
-we have a big problem in the Manga called : the masked man Vs Uchiha Madara...the masked man was the central villain in naruto shippudden ;he was a mastermind badass villain, he was the one who :
1- launched kiyubi against konoha and cauzed naruto's parents death
2-formed akatsuki
3- manipulated the mizukage yagura and spoiled the Mist village
4-gathered all the tailed beasts..and implemented the moon eye plan...whereas uchiha madara just designed the Moon eye plan and died
-in manga we have a general rule : usually the central villain is the one who is supposed to be the finall villain..so judjing his actions the masked man is the one who dizerves to be the finall villain, i mean its not fair that kishimoto makes uchiha madara the finall villain when madara appeared just in 2 arcs since chapter 559 wich sounds like a
plothole...not only that but later and exactly after the obito reveal, we got like ,lets say another plothole : obito himself after his mask broke didn't show any traits of that badass tobi and got talknojutsed easily by naruto...so wtf is going on exactly??....i mean there is big difference between the masked man's character and the unmasked obito's
character wich are as follow :
A)-Tobi always showed hatred toward senju ..but the unmasked obito never showed any hatred toward senju clan or Hashirama !!..
B)-Tobi was mad that nagato used the rinnetensei on the villagers instead of Madara...but obito himself planned to betray Madara and never use rinnetensei to revive him , he even told madara : " i never meant to be friend with you"
C)the masked tobi seems to be stronger and more badass in fights...whereas obito was owned many times by kakashi
D) the masked man was angry and mad at naruto talknojutsing everyone he even visted him personally to kestion him what he did to change nagato's heart...whereas obito got talknojutsed easily by Naruto...
E) if the masked man was able to fool skilled ninjas like itachi and kisame..why didnt he become the finall villain????!!!
so how to solve all these inconsitencies and contradictions within the manga and within the masked man himself??....
EASY : Tobi has to be uchiha Madara controlling obito so that everything will make sence...i know i know you gonna say its bullshit and plothole...but plzzz listen.. if tobi being madara is a plothole...then tobi being obito is full of plotholes!!!.. i mean instead of trying to fix those tobito pltoholes ...dont you think its wise and better to just prove why tobi is madara since its only 1 plothole???...
-now poeple will say tobi can't be Madara for the following reasons :
1-becuz tobi was revealed to be obito in chapter 599...
2-becuz madara himself called tobi obito...
3-becuz if tobi was madara then why did he let obito act by his free will and threatens madara's Moon eye plan??
-your kestions make perfect sence and are legit...but i also have 3 kestions that counterballance them :
1- what's the point from creating the character of obito if he isn't the finall villain?..there has to be a reason or a lesson to learn from the Mystery of tobi right??...so what is it??..
2- what if Kabuto never resurrected Madara and what if obito planned to betray Madara and never revive him??..then what was Madara going to do while he is dead??....we all know the amount of riscks and sacrifices madara did for the sake of his MEP like fighting hashirma death battle, living in the cave more then 80 years...and then giving his precious eyes to Nagato...so do you really think Madara is dumb stupid to just die and entrust his Moon eye plan to a 13 years kid called obito???..
3-DID WE SEE THE FULL EXPLANATIONS OF TOBI'S MYSTERY ??...did we see how tobi met kisame and convinced him he was Madara and how he manipulated the mizukage....and how he met itachi and slaughtred the uchiha clan...and the rest of details??...NO WE DIDN'T !!!.......now what happens when we dont get enough explanations and details about a truth??...(read the first quote from itachi i wrote in the very beggining)...what happens is that this truth will end up being an illusion...thats is how reality is deceitfull..and that's what the mystery of tobi is about..
kishimoto already given us 2 perfect exemples of how the concept of "truth" may end up being an illusion :
a)- during the the incident of Rin's death...in chapter 605 we all thought kakashi killed Rin...but this truth become just illusion (wrong)becuz in truth it was Rin who made kakashi kill her..
b)- we all thought that itachi was a bad guy who betrayed his village...but later this truth become a mere illusion..becuz in truth itachi was a nice guy who loved his village ...
-c) now we have another truth called "tobi is obito".....so since we havn't seen the full explanations of tobi's mystery
wouldn't this truth turn out to be an illusion??...that is why a wise man called itachi existed in the manga...becuz he was like the light that will help us to see through this fuzzy reality and through this illusion created by Madara and kishimoto....now plzz go back to episode 136, when itachi told Sasuke the truth of Madara ...lets say itachi is
kishimoto and sasuke is us the readers :
-sasuke(us) : on that night when you said there was a 3rd person who is he??
-itachi(kishi) :uchiha Madara,one of konoha's founders and the 1st person to ever awaken the mangekyou sharingan..
-Sasuke : if that's true he'd be long dead!!..stop screwing around !!!
-then itachi reassures him :Madara lives still ,wether you believe me or not is you choice..
-but sasuke (us) still wouldn't believe him :i've had enough of your Bullshit !!!
-then itachi (kishi) answers us with this :"poeple live their life bound by what they accept as correct and true,that's how they define reality..but what does it means to be 'correct' or 'true' merely vague concepts...AND THEIR REALITY MAY ALL BE A MIRAGE"
.....................
its as if kishi through itachi was saying :"tobi is indeed uchiha madara but this truth will be very hard to believe"
====================
who is Tobi : Tobi is 3 persons : Madara+ spiral zetsu+ obito....but the dominant tobi is Madara...befor old madara died
he sealed part of himself within obito and become an empty shell of his formerself...madara wouldn't just die and entrust obito with the Moon eye plan...that is why he sealed part of himself within obito and manipulated him....
in other words we have 2 madara's runing around now : tobidara and the newly revived madara...to be honest i dont know what jutsu madara exactly did so we would have 2 madara's...but if you remember what both of itachi and tobi said that madara now is an empty shell of his formerself (refering to the masked man) : that means madara is still
alive but in another weaker body (obito)....for exemple the juubi...both of the 9 tailed beasts and gedo mazo are juubi..:
-the gedo mazo is THE EMPTY SHELL OF JUUBI..
-the juubi is the bijuus devided into 9 tailed beast...thus when the
gedo mazo goes back to its formerself , it will become the revived Juubi
!!!..maybe madara used the same jutsu.. madara's body secrets engraved in the uchiha stone may be the key that explains the existence of 2 madara's.....also if madara lived more then 80 years in the cave ,its not hard to live another 20 years..
-now many of you will say if madara was alive then why did he state that he died??..answer is easy..think about it..
why was madara so eager to die and come back to life??..why is the act of dying so much important for him?..if madara knew he would be revived in the same state he died in (old and weakened) then what's the point of getting himself revived??...madara in fact planned to die and come back to life with the rinnetensei no jutsu so that HIS BODY TAKES THE FORM OF ITS GOLDEN AGE (youth) to be able to become the Juubi's jinchuriki and cast the infinit tsukoyomi..however madara didn't die completly and sealed part of himself within obito to implement his MEP by himself..and make nagato use rinntensei to revive his original vessel "madara".....in the chapter titled "night befor the kages summit"...tobi told black zetsu : " i can't belive nagato used his rinntensei like that, its supposed to be for me"..but how can nagato use rinnetensei on tobi when tobi is still alive??..see? tobi was clearly refering to his
original vessel madara since they are one...also tobi told konan the same thing befor he fights her...i know i know many of you would say i misinterperted that..becuz obito meant : nagato shoudve used rinnetensei for his goal...but plzz in what way could nagato betray obito when he didn't use rinntensei to revive madara ,knowing that obito himself
planned to betray madara and never revive hiim??!!..
-if tobi is Madara then why did edomadara call him obito??....easy..obito himself isn't aware he was being controlled the whole time by tobiMadara (or 2nd madara)...the ultimate secret of uchiha madara is immortality or (tobimadara)..
the safest thing for madara is to call tobi obito....but plz plz plz read chapter 601 when edomadara asked obito why did you start the project without the kiyubi and hachibi?...strangely obito didn't know what to answer...then something in obito's arm shaked (autoheal)...then madara looks at it and says :"well if it's you i guess you have some
plan"..madara was clearly talking with another consiousness that
controlls obito's body..
-if tobi is madara controlling obito then why did tobimadara let obito act by his free will and become the juubi's jinchuriki and threatens madara's moon eye plan??...answer is : tobimadara had to let obito act by his free ,so as to make obito use rinnetensei on madara..and to do that obito must have his free consiousness to target the Rinnetensei on madara...one can't revive himself with rinnetensei..thus since tobimadara is madara himself..then he needed to let obito act by his free will...notice how madara was'nt worried at all even after obito became the juubi's jinchuriki..thats becuz the other madara is inside obito...Madara's trumpcard wasn't to stop obito from casting the infnit tsukoyomi but it was to make him use rinnetensei on madara...
-the central and finall villain is still the masked man...but since the reall masked man is madara controlling obito that explains why the newly revived madara is the finall villain...but precisely precisely the finall villain is tobimadara..
-at some point in the time tobimadara integrated spiral zetsu within his body to allow him act like goofy guy and lead akatsuki from the shadow....like how old madara hide himself in the cave and didn't want the world to know about his existence , he will hide himself within obito's body and act like stupid guy untill he gathers all the tailed beasts then he is going to go back to his formerself and fuse with his reall vessel ...but unfortunately for him things didn't go as planned becuz of :1)naruto talknojutsing nagato and making him use rinnetensei on the villagers instead of madara...
2)becuz of kabuto who revived the reall vessel of tobi " madara" with edotensei...
-notice how the masked man kept telling kabuto that he was the one who fought hashirama and stole his cells...and that the rinnegan was his to begin with even after kabuto found out the secret of tobi..
-in fight tobi vs konan we already got the answer of who tobi is ...tobi told konan :" since you are about to die i will tell you the truth...I WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE NAGATO THE RINNNEGAN..i was the one who spurred yahiko to form akatsuki.." why would tobi lie to konan when he was sure of her death??...also though Konan used to call tobi Madara but she did ask him again : " who the hell you are??"...then tobi said " ..I AM UCHIHA MADARA ,THE ONE WHO FOUGHT HASHIRAMA..I AM THE 2ND RIKUDO"...Notice how tobi not only tells konan about his true identity but he also GETS PROUD OF HIMSELF BEING MADARA...that was madara's pride and arrogance !!!...not to mention that there's no need for tobi to lie to a dead konan..
-did you see kisame's epic death?? do you think he died fooled by obito??..kisame was the only one who had honor to see the true face of tobi...i believe that what kisame saw was a sort of tobimadara evolution face..or better said the true face of the masked man wich will soon be revealed .....just think about it plez...if tobi was obito..it doesn't
make sence that the masked man entrust kisame his secret and true identity(to be madara) when in fact he was obito.. ...for exemple when tobi took off his mask for second time to kisame ,kisame said:" so the goofy tobi is none other then you madara san!!"...then tobi said :" im sorry for deceiving you kisame"..if tobi was obito..it doesn't make
sence that tobi apologys to kisame and tells him that he is madara when the fact is that tobi is obito..!!!!...
-Minato,jiraiya,itachi,kisame,danzo are all skilled ninjas and they conclused that the masked man can only be madara..
-tobi sometimes spent his time sitting on the head of madara's statue in the valley of end...thats becuz tobi misses his original form and vessel "Madara"..
- the Masked man is 2 parts :-the Boss part : uchiha Madara
-the pawn part : Obito uchiha
-the pawn part is the naruto version gone wrong that is why it got talknojutsed...
-the boss part is the one that got sick and tired of naruto's talk nojutsu
-the boss part is the one that will reveal us the rest of Tobi's mystery explanations...
-Madara has to be Tobi so he can be the final villain....and Madara has to be Tobi so obito can be redeemed...and btw obito's character will shine again becuz obito is badass when he is good ,not when he is villain...
-tobi's reall identity has 2 parts : the simplex parts = obito.....and complex part = madara...and kishi created simplex and complex parts for tobi's mystery so that his manga fits all ages and tastes
-the Mystery of tobi as a whole is like a genjutsu casted by kishi on his readers..kishimoto created this illusion..the lesson we should learn from tobi's mystery is to be able to see through reality's illusion and never make hasty judgments untill we get full explanations..becuz tobi being obito and acting like goofy guy are like mirage for his reall
identity...
-when Tobimadara emerge ...madara will prove to the alliance shinobies that this reality is full of lies..what we thought was truth called "tobi is obito" will become a mere illusion..
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1st hello to everyone...i really don't know how to start this thread...maybe i should begin with these 2 contradicting quotes : 1) uchiha Madara :" coming back to life is something i have planned "
... VS.....
2) itachi uchiha : "Madara lives still its up to you to wether believe me or not"..
-2 contradicting statements made by 2 badasses shinobies....all of you here of course will say Madara is right becuz he died and got revived and that itachi is wrong...wich means obito indeed fooled itachi....but patience plzz do not make hasty judgments ...WHAT IF BOTH OF ITACHI AND MADARA WERE RIGHT??..i mean what if Madara was dead and alive at the same time??...it doesn't make sence right?? xD...well wether you believe it or not : Uchiha Madara was dead and alive at the same time !!!....
-we have a big problem in the Manga called : the masked man Vs Uchiha Madara...the masked man was the central villain in naruto shippudden ;he was a mastermind badass villain, he was the one who :
1- launched kiyubi against konoha and cauzed naruto's parents death
2-formed akatsuki
3- manipulated the mizukage yagura and spoiled the Mist village
4-gathered all the tailed beasts..and implemented the moon eye plan...whereas uchiha madara just designed the Moon eye plan and died
-in manga we have a general rule : usually the central villain is the one who is supposed to be the finall villain..so judjing his actions the masked man is the one who dizerves to be the finall villain, i mean its not fair that kishimoto makes uchiha madara the finall villain when madara appeared just in 2 arcs since chapter 559 wich sounds like a
plothole...not only that but later and exactly after the obito reveal, we got like ,lets say another plothole : obito himself after his mask broke didn't show any traits of that badass tobi and got talknojutsed easily by naruto...so wtf is going on exactly??....i mean there is big difference between the masked man's character and the unmasked obito's
character wich are as follow :
A)-Tobi always showed hatred toward senju ..but the unmasked obito never showed any hatred toward senju clan or Hashirama !!..
B)-Tobi was mad that nagato used the rinnetensei on the villagers instead of Madara...but obito himself planned to betray Madara and never use rinnetensei to revive him , he even told madara : " i never meant to be friend with you"
C)the masked tobi seems to be stronger and more badass in fights...whereas obito was owned many times by kakashi
D) the masked man was angry and mad at naruto talknojutsing everyone he even visted him personally to kestion him what he did to change nagato's heart...whereas obito got talknojutsed easily by Naruto...
E) if the masked man was able to fool skilled ninjas like itachi and kisame..why didnt he become the finall villain????!!!
so how to solve all these inconsitencies and contradictions within the manga and within the masked man himself??....
EASY : Tobi has to be uchiha Madara controlling obito so that everything will make sence...i know i know you gonna say its bullshit and plothole...but plzzz listen.. if tobi being madara is a plothole...then tobi being obito is full of plotholes!!!.. i mean instead of trying to fix those tobito pltoholes ...dont you think its wise and better to just prove why tobi is madara since its only 1 plothole???...
-now poeple will say tobi can't be Madara for the following reasons :
1-becuz tobi was revealed to be obito in chapter 599...
2-becuz madara himself called tobi obito...
3-becuz if tobi was madara then why did he let obito act by his free will and threatens madara's Moon eye plan??
-your kestions make perfect sence and are legit...but i also have 3 kestions that counterballance them :
1- what's the point from creating the character of obito if he isn't the finall villain?..there has to be a reason or a lesson to learn from the Mystery of tobi right??...so what is it??..
2- what if Kabuto never resurrected Madara and what if obito planned to betray Madara and never revive him??..then what was Madara going to do while he is dead??....we all know the amount of riscks and sacrifices madara did for the sake of his MEP like fighting hashirma death battle, living in the cave more then 80 years...and then giving his precious eyes to Nagato...so do you really think Madara is dumb stupid to just die and entrust his Moon eye plan to a 13 years kid called obito???..
3-DID WE SEE THE FULL EXPLANATIONS OF TOBI'S MYSTERY ??...did we see how tobi met kisame and convinced him he was Madara and how he manipulated the mizukage....and how he met itachi and slaughtred the uchiha clan...and the rest of details??...NO WE DIDN'T !!!.......now what happens when we dont get enough explanations and details about a truth??...(read the first quote from itachi i wrote in the very beggining)...what happens is that this truth will end up being an illusion...thats is how reality is deceitfull..and that's what the mystery of tobi is about..
kishimoto already given us 2 perfect exemples of how the concept of "truth" may end up being an illusion :
a)- during the the incident of Rin's death...in chapter 605 we all thought kakashi killed Rin...but this truth become just illusion (wrong)becuz in truth it was Rin who made kakashi kill her..
b)- we all thought that itachi was a bad guy who betrayed his village...but later this truth become a mere illusion..becuz in truth itachi was a nice guy who loved his village ...
-c) now we have another truth called "tobi is obito".....so since we havn't seen the full explanations of tobi's mystery
wouldn't this truth turn out to be an illusion??...that is why a wise man called itachi existed in the manga...becuz he was like the light that will help us to see through this fuzzy reality and through this illusion created by Madara and kishimoto....now plzz go back to episode 136, when itachi told Sasuke the truth of Madara ...lets say itachi is
kishimoto and sasuke is us the readers :
-sasuke(us) : on that night when you said there was a 3rd person who is he??
-itachi(kishi) :uchiha Madara,one of konoha's founders and the 1st person to ever awaken the mangekyou sharingan..
-Sasuke : if that's true he'd be long dead!!..stop screwing around !!!
-then itachi reassures him :Madara lives still ,wether you believe me or not is you choice..
-but sasuke (us) still wouldn't believe him :i've had enough of your Bullshit !!!
-then itachi (kishi) answers us with this :"poeple live their life bound by what they accept as correct and true,that's how they define reality..but what does it means to be 'correct' or 'true' merely vague concepts...AND THEIR REALITY MAY ALL BE A MIRAGE"
.....................
its as if kishi through itachi was saying :"tobi is indeed uchiha madara but this truth will be very hard to believe"
====================
who is Tobi : Tobi is 3 persons : Madara+ spiral zetsu+ obito....but the dominant tobi is Madara...befor old madara died
he sealed part of himself within obito and become an empty shell of his formerself...madara wouldn't just die and entrust obito with the Moon eye plan...that is why he sealed part of himself within obito and manipulated him....
in other words we have 2 madara's runing around now : tobidara and the newly revived madara...to be honest i dont know what jutsu madara exactly did so we would have 2 madara's...but if you remember what both of itachi and tobi said that madara now is an empty shell of his formerself (refering to the masked man) : that means madara is still
alive but in another weaker body (obito)....for exemple the juubi...both of the 9 tailed beasts and gedo mazo are juubi..:
-the gedo mazo is THE EMPTY SHELL OF JUUBI..
-the juubi is the bijuus devided into 9 tailed beast...thus when the
gedo mazo goes back to its formerself , it will become the revived Juubi
!!!..maybe madara used the same jutsu.. madara's body secrets engraved in the uchiha stone may be the key that explains the existence of 2 madara's.....also if madara lived more then 80 years in the cave ,its not hard to live another 20 years..
-now many of you will say if madara was alive then why did he state that he died??..answer is easy..think about it..
why was madara so eager to die and come back to life??..why is the act of dying so much important for him?..if madara knew he would be revived in the same state he died in (old and weakened) then what's the point of getting himself revived??...madara in fact planned to die and come back to life with the rinnetensei no jutsu so that HIS BODY TAKES THE FORM OF ITS GOLDEN AGE (youth) to be able to become the Juubi's jinchuriki and cast the infinit tsukoyomi..however madara didn't die completly and sealed part of himself within obito to implement his MEP by himself..and make nagato use rinntensei to revive his original vessel "madara".....in the chapter titled "night befor the kages summit"...tobi told black zetsu : " i can't belive nagato used his rinntensei like that, its supposed to be for me"..but how can nagato use rinnetensei on tobi when tobi is still alive??..see? tobi was clearly refering to his
original vessel madara since they are one...also tobi told konan the same thing befor he fights her...i know i know many of you would say i misinterperted that..becuz obito meant : nagato shoudve used rinnetensei for his goal...but plzz in what way could nagato betray obito when he didn't use rinntensei to revive madara ,knowing that obito himself
planned to betray madara and never revive hiim??!!..
-if tobi is Madara then why did edomadara call him obito??....easy..obito himself isn't aware he was being controlled the whole time by tobiMadara (or 2nd madara)...the ultimate secret of uchiha madara is immortality or (tobimadara)..
the safest thing for madara is to call tobi obito....but plz plz plz read chapter 601 when edomadara asked obito why did you start the project without the kiyubi and hachibi?...strangely obito didn't know what to answer...then something in obito's arm shaked (autoheal)...then madara looks at it and says :"well if it's you i guess you have some
plan"..madara was clearly talking with another consiousness that
controlls obito's body..
-if tobi is madara controlling obito then why did tobimadara let obito act by his free will and become the juubi's jinchuriki and threatens madara's moon eye plan??...answer is : tobimadara had to let obito act by his free ,so as to make obito use rinnetensei on madara..and to do that obito must have his free consiousness to target the Rinnetensei on madara...one can't revive himself with rinnetensei..thus since tobimadara is madara himself..then he needed to let obito act by his free will...notice how madara was'nt worried at all even after obito became the juubi's jinchuriki..thats becuz the other madara is inside obito...Madara's trumpcard wasn't to stop obito from casting the infnit tsukoyomi but it was to make him use rinnetensei on madara...
-the central and finall villain is still the masked man...but since the reall masked man is madara controlling obito that explains why the newly revived madara is the finall villain...but precisely precisely the finall villain is tobimadara..
-at some point in the time tobimadara integrated spiral zetsu within his body to allow him act like goofy guy and lead akatsuki from the shadow....like how old madara hide himself in the cave and didn't want the world to know about his existence , he will hide himself within obito's body and act like stupid guy untill he gathers all the tailed beasts then he is going to go back to his formerself and fuse with his reall vessel ...but unfortunately for him things didn't go as planned becuz of :1)naruto talknojutsing nagato and making him use rinnetensei on the villagers instead of madara...
2)becuz of kabuto who revived the reall vessel of tobi " madara" with edotensei...
-notice how the masked man kept telling kabuto that he was the one who fought hashirama and stole his cells...and that the rinnegan was his to begin with even after kabuto found out the secret of tobi..
-in fight tobi vs konan we already got the answer of who tobi is ...tobi told konan :" since you are about to die i will tell you the truth...I WAS THE ONE WHO GAVE NAGATO THE RINNNEGAN..i was the one who spurred yahiko to form akatsuki.." why would tobi lie to konan when he was sure of her death??...also though Konan used to call tobi Madara but she did ask him again : " who the hell you are??"...then tobi said " ..I AM UCHIHA MADARA ,THE ONE WHO FOUGHT HASHIRAMA..I AM THE 2ND RIKUDO"...Notice how tobi not only tells konan about his true identity but he also GETS PROUD OF HIMSELF BEING MADARA...that was madara's pride and arrogance !!!...not to mention that there's no need for tobi to lie to a dead konan..
-did you see kisame's epic death?? do you think he died fooled by obito??..kisame was the only one who had honor to see the true face of tobi...i believe that what kisame saw was a sort of tobimadara evolution face..or better said the true face of the masked man wich will soon be revealed .....just think about it plez...if tobi was obito..it doesn't
make sence that the masked man entrust kisame his secret and true identity(to be madara) when in fact he was obito.. ...for exemple when tobi took off his mask for second time to kisame ,kisame said:" so the goofy tobi is none other then you madara san!!"...then tobi said :" im sorry for deceiving you kisame"..if tobi was obito..it doesn't make
sence that tobi apologys to kisame and tells him that he is madara when the fact is that tobi is obito..!!!!...
-Minato,jiraiya,itachi,kisame,danzo are all skilled ninjas and they conclused that the masked man can only be madara..
-tobi sometimes spent his time sitting on the head of madara's statue in the valley of end...thats becuz tobi misses his original form and vessel "Madara"..
- the Masked man is 2 parts :-the Boss part : uchiha Madara
-the pawn part : Obito uchiha
-the pawn part is the naruto version gone wrong that is why it got talknojutsed...
-the boss part is the one that got sick and tired of naruto's talk nojutsu
-the boss part is the one that will reveal us the rest of Tobi's mystery explanations...
-Madara has to be Tobi so he can be the final villain....and Madara has to be Tobi so obito can be redeemed...and btw obito's character will shine again becuz obito is badass when he is good ,not when he is villain...
-tobi's reall identity has 2 parts : the simplex parts = obito.....and complex part = madara...and kishi created simplex and complex parts for tobi's mystery so that his manga fits all ages and tastes
-the Mystery of tobi as a whole is like a genjutsu casted by kishi on his readers..kishimoto created this illusion..the lesson we should learn from tobi's mystery is to be able to see through reality's illusion and never make hasty judgments untill we get full explanations..becuz tobi being obito and acting like goofy guy are like mirage for his reall
identity...
-when Tobimadara emerge ...madara will prove to the alliance shinobies that this reality is full of lies..what we thought was truth called "tobi is obito" will become a mere illusion..
