[Theory] True order of events with Hagoromo and Hamura after battle with Ten tails

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to share my theory with you. I came up with the idea to make it fit The manga and incomming leaked Databook IV so no more contradiction can be found.

1) Hagoromo and Hamura fought Juubi:

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2) Juubi was made core of CT and created the moon:

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3) Hagoromo summoned Ten tails and sealed it in himself(Hamura could help him):
4) ?
5) Jin Hagoromo with/without Hamura released IT:

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6) Hagoromo extracted Ten tails chakra and created Tailed beasts of them:

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7) Hagoromo sent Empty Ten tails's husk in sky making it core of CT to create the Moon:

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8) Hamura along with rest Ootsutsuki clan depart to guard The moon(Hagoromo dies):

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^^ According to this scan with translation:

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Ever since "humans" were given form, they have fought each other and walked in a world of war. The earth was stained with blood, and as if it were absorbing that blood for nourishment, the Shinju took root in the earth. Eventually the Shinju beared a single fruit, and a certain clan came from another world seeking that fruit: the Ootsutsuki clan. Kaguya, leader of the Ootsutsuki, ate the fruit and became the progenitor of all chakra, and with her absolute power brought peace to the world in an instant.

After ending the turbulent era, she became known as the Rabbit Goddess and received the blessing of the people, giving birth to twins. But after that, Kaguya would occasionally use harsh means to rule the people as a dictator. The Byakugan, Sharingan, and Infinite Tsukuyomi - the people feared and respected the jutsu Kaguya wielded. Eventually, the "Rabbit Goddess" became known as a demon instead. And then, Kaguya became ruled by her desire to make all chakra her own.

To make all chakra one - Kaguya's desire eventually turned on Hagoromo and Hamura, her own twin sons with whom she had split her chakra. Kaguya formed a plan, and in order to take in all chakra, fused with the Shinju and battled against her twin sons.

The twins, assuming that the Juubi was a transformed Shinju attacking them in order to reclaim the chakra that was taken from it, faced off against it. And after a fierce battle, the activated Rikudou Chibaku Tensei. They turned it into the moon and sealed it away.

Caption next to Hamura on the last page: The Gedou Mazou, the remaining shell of the Juubi, was sealed in the moon. Hamura took command of the clan to watch over the Mazou.

? - This missing event whatever it was it was reason of The moon disappearing/being destroyed after Their fight against Juubi. Maybe there was second battle, or maybe simply second time Juubi was summoned went at rampage and blown the crumbling moon with no core somehow wiping it out or the moon crumbled itself and Hagoromo and Hamura destroyed it somehow...

Maybe it is the reason behind Hagoromo as Jinchurki being stated to recreate/reshapes the world with nunoboko sword as the Crumbling moon collsion with earth took massive damage to Naruto world back then

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Thanks for reading !

Do you agree with it ?

 

[The Necromancer]

That doesn't fit, otherwise there would be 2 moons.

There's no reason to fight the Juubi, seal it, unseal it, and fight it again just to seal it a second time.

 

[KCMNaruto]

That doesn't fit, otherwise there would be 2 moons.

There's no reason to fight the Juubi, seal it, unseal it, and fight it again just to seal it a second time.

Well there would be if you didn't know that you will need Juubi later to dispel IT, you know everyone from their mistakes.

Noon is ominiscient lol. Also no problem Juubi was bust the moon was trying to attack Hagoromo after being summoned, if not
then maybe the moon was destroyed by Hagoromo and Hamura somehow.

THey first sealed it in CT making it moon because they wanted to get rid of that issue with Juubi but when it was needed to dispel IT Hagoromo summoned it back thanks to that Madara knows that there is seal which can be broken and how.

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Ok so after combining the info from the manga and the databook.....someone at NF has reached to this conclusion which makes sense. Although its still a bit unclear and Kishi might have expanded upon it in the data book.

Hagoromo confirms she ate the Chakra Fruit of the Divine Tree.

Hagoromo confirms she was benevolent Rabbit Goddess before becoming the malevolent Rabbit Demon later.

This is what happened. The order may differ slightly, but these are things that happened.

- Divine Tree & Chakra Fruit existed.
- Kaguya existed.
- World was at war.

- Kaguya ate the Chakra Fruit.
- Kaguya became the benevolent Rabbit Goddess.
- Kaguya stopped war.
- Kaguya had sons.

- Kaguya fused with Divine Tree.
- Kaguya became the malevolent Rabbit Demon
- Kaguya used Infinite Tsukuyomi to enslave people.
- Kaguya turned people into Zetsu’s.
- Kaguye became Juubi.

- Juubi defeated by Hagoromo & Hamura.
- Hagoromo sealed Juubi within himself.
- Hagoromo & Hamura sealed Kaguya in Moon.

- Hagoromo had sons.
- Hagoromo taught people Ninshuu.
- People developed Ninjutsu.

- Hagoromo later created 9 Bijuu.
- Hagoromo later sealed Juubi Body in Moon.
- Hagoromo died.

In the databook its confirmed that both the Juubi and Kaguya were different entities earlier so they fused later on.

But this needs two moons to be true. So either earlier Kaguya(or that giant rabbit) was sealed by both in some other dimension, and Kaguya had left BZ somewhere which summoned her later taking over Madara’s body.
Or NV has two moons.

Also Hamura gave his seal to hago later on before going back to his clan for protecting the original Kaguya/white rabbit CT, and Hago in his last days performed CT again after splitting the bijuus and created another moon containing the gedou mazou.

So all we need are a different Kaguya’s entity(or the giant white rabbit that we already have) and one more moon which contained the white rabbit earlier for fixing this hole which might have been explained in databook in detail.

 

[OG sama]

So what happened to hamura does he still live?

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

So what happened to hamura does he still live?

Possibly yes, possibly no......we will know soon enough though!! U_U

 

[HENI]

I believe Hamura died

 

[Legitimate]

So what happened to hamura does he still live?

Hamura took command of the clan to watch over the Mazou using this:

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[KCMNaruto]

Ok so after combining the info from the manga and the databook.....someone at NF has reached to this conclusion which makes sense. Although its still a bit unclear and Kishi might have expanded upon it in the data book.

Hagoromo confirms she ate the Chakra Fruit of the Divine Tree.

Hagoromo confirms she was benevolent Rabbit Goddess before becoming the malevolent Rabbit Demon later.

This is what happened. The order may differ slightly, but these are things that happened.

- Divine Tree & Chakra Fruit existed.
- Kaguya existed.
- World was at war.

- Kaguya ate the Chakra Fruit.
- Kaguya became the benevolent Rabbit Goddess.
- Kaguya stopped war.
- Kaguya had sons.

- Kaguya fused with Divine Tree.
- Kaguya became the malevolent Rabbit Demon
- Kaguya used Infinite Tsukuyomi to enslave people.
- Kaguya turned people into Zetsu’s.
- Kaguye became Juubi.

- Juubi defeated by Hagoromo & Hamura.
- Hagoromo sealed Juubi within himself.
- Hagoromo & Hamura sealed Kaguya in Moon.

- Hagoromo had sons.
- Hagoromo taught people Ninshuu.
- People developed Ninjutsu.

- Hagoromo later created 9 Bijuu.
- Hagoromo later sealed Juubi Body in Moon.
- Hagoromo died.

In the databook its confirmed that both the Juubi and Kaguya were different entities earlier so they fused later on.

But this needs two moons to be true. So either earlier Kaguya(or that giant rabbit) was sealed by both in some other dimension, and Kaguya had left BZ somewhere which summoned her later taking over Madara’s body.
Or NV has two moons.

Also Hamura gave his seal to hago later on before going back to his clan for protecting the original Kaguya/white rabbit CT, and Hago in his last days performed CT again after splitting the bijuus and created another moon containing the gedou mazou.

So all we need are a different Kaguya’s entity(or the giant white rabbit that we already have) and one more moon which contained the white rabbit earlier for fixing this hole which might have been explained in databook in detail.

Thanks a lot and rep for you

it is indeed interesting and what do you think about my theory ?

 

[Ansatsuken]

There are events that occur yet we dont know.

 

[KCMNaruto]

There are events that occur yet we dont know.

I am sure your statement has at least grain of the truth

 

[Ansatsuken]

I am sure your statement has at least grain of the truth

Im just using logical thinking there, I tried my best to put aside the plot hole claim first, rather Im creating situational scenerio.

we actually have hint, like madara absorbing juubi without the later even going rampage, why hago cant do that also after he summon juubi back to earth. He is master sealer.

But all in all, that is actually the missing events that we still dont know

 

[Sir Cool Blizzard]

Thanks a lot and rep for you

it is indeed interesting and what do you think about my theory ?

Yours is nice too, but I posted it so that we could work out a combined theory from these two so it ultimately makes sense.
The only problems are two moons and the revelance of that white rabbit, which I think is Kaguya after she absorbed the fruits power.
But u are right, if the moon was destroyed.....it will make sense somehow.
And the rabbit that Kishi showed us definitely has some relevance. Kishi has somehow fixed this plot hole and is going to explain it in the databook. Although he should have explained it in the manga itself.

Also I am glad that we finally get to know that Kaguya became juubi by fusing with it.

EDIT: Sorry bro...couldn't rep you. Need to spread some first.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Yours is nice too, but I posted it so that we could work out a combined theory from these two so it ultimately makes sense.
The only problems are two moons and the revelance of that white rabbit, which I think is Kaguya after see absorbed the fruits power.
But u are right, if the moon was destroyed.....it will make sense somehow.
And the rabbit that Kishi showed us definitely has some relevance. Kishi has somehow fixed this plot hole and is going to explain it in the databook. Although he should have explained it in the manga itself.

Also I am glad that we finally get to know that Kaguya became juubi by fusing with it.

Yeah, yeah I know

I agree with everything you stated... the only issue is first the moon, what did happen with it...(maybe was summoned somewhere or sent to other dimenssion).

lets hope kishi will clear

EDIT: assuming that Kaguya got rabbit chakra demon avatar after eating forbidden fruit.

Maybe it is just Kaguya's chakra avatar... who knows, but there could be more to it

 

[Naruto D Luffy]

Is hagoromo dead

 

[KCMNaruto]

Is hagoromo dead

Well if you count chakra ghost as alive then not

else he is

what the kind of question is this ? lol