[Theory] Tobi's Possible Plan For Sasuke Replacing Madara In The Eye Of The Moon Plan

[CrimsonFire]

Well that was a given Obito made it perfectly clear he did not want revive Madara obviously. Obito never trusted Madara in the beginning even though he became Madara's errand boy and easily believe his ideals. Obito of course values his life more then being a mere pawn for Madara, if you go by the dialogue between him and Madara when they reunited. I think when Sasuke returns to the battle field, Obito is going betray Madara and let him take the fall somehow, while Sasuke takes his place my guess.

PS: Of course that is if Obito does not become a victim of the talk no jutsu by Naruto, then that changes everything xD. Worst Obito could use Rinne Tensei to revive everyone like Nagato did.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

hey again sir derp, i think sasuke will kill obito(presumebly)by sealing him with totsuka
(given by itachi without sas knowing) after sasuke summons susanoo(itachi said he should have trusted sasuke)part of prediction
while obito is fighting kakashi, naruto, and sasuke joins and pretends to be on obito's side....psst
jus part of my prediction but once again nice thread kiddo widdo

Well my dear, it seems we have the same thing in mind, Sasuke already possessing the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror, please read it here

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[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Thanks, don't mind him he just jelly Lol

It's true guys, I'm jealous of this guys internet success!

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

yeah i think so, he can control the rinnegan user

we know this kiddo, Kabuto called Nagato an idiot after itachi sealed him:| i was kinda unhappy and shocked too


i was , ialready made it actually,but my gimp skills need to improve, but this one is a nice thread as derp's usually are

will you still post it

 

[foxyladyland]

Well my dear, it seems we have the same thing in mind, Sasuke already possessing the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror, please read it here

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thats a nice thread, i always enjoy nice theories and predictions...i gotta improve my gimp skills so i can
present my ideas better, but looks like u got things under control

will you still post it

maybe, i gotta sort my stuff out better, i came up with lots of them actually.....
but i gotta prepare them better on the threadmaybe though

 

[The God of Wind]

It's true guys, I'm jealous of this guys internet success!

Why else would you be so hostile over a VM?

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

We know that Madara's revival with Rinne Tensei Rebirth was part of the Eye of the Moon Plan, and there are strong evidences to suggest that Tobi/Obito wanted to revive Madara all along but his plan got hampered by Nagato's betrayal. But there are also strong corroborative evidences that suggest Tobi/Obito didn't truly want to revive Madara, or at least, did not want to revive Madara after Nagato's death and wanted to use Sasuke as his replacement instead in casting the Mugen Tsukoyomi.

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Based on this conversation between Tobi and Zetsu, it is implied that Tobi wanted to revive Madara all along:

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But he lost the one who was supposed to cast the Rinne Tensei Jutsu: Nagato

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And Obito himself apparently doesn't want to cast it himself, since in doing so would result in his own death:

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Many assumed that Obito's statement concerning Sasuke synching with the Mazo has to do with him being Madara's replacement in the Eye of the Moon Plan:

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But there is also the interpretation that what Tobi meant by synching was actually in reference to Bijuu extraction:

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That Tobi intended Sasuke to synch with the Mazo to facilitate faster Bijuu extraction process.

But Tobi could have intended Sasuke to serve a double purpose:

a.) Sync with the Mazo (Bijuu extraction), and implant the Rinnegan on him to cast Rinne Tensei to revive Madara

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or

b.) Sync with the Mazo (Bijuu extraction),and have Sasuke replace Madara altogether in casting Mugen Tsukoyomi (EMS)

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Like I said earlier, it is plausible that Obito didn't intended to revive Madara at all based on this panel:

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If we work on the premise That Obito didn't intend to revive Madara, then he must have needed Sasuke for the Mugen Tsukoyomi.

It is rather heavily implied that Tobi/Obito himself does not have Tsukuyomi:

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Obito not having Tsukoyomi is a form of Madara's insurance that even if Obito didn't like/trust him, he still needed to revive him because Madara was the only one who has Tsukuyomi at that time:

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But Obito could've found a loophole in Madara's insurance:

In the person of Sasuke who also had Tsukuyomi:

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But there was a problem, Sasuke's Tsukuyomi was still weak:

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So Tobi Sasuke to have EMS:

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Sasuke didn't initially had/wanted to transplant Itachi's eyes in him:

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So Tobi had to pressure Sasuke in obtaining EMS.

Zetsu (under Tobi's orders) tipped the Five Kages of Sasuke's presence in the summit location:

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That resulted in Sasuke getting beaten up by the Kages

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So after Sasuke got beaten up, he finally decides to acquire Itachi's eyes and get EMS

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Tobi's plans for Sasuke is proceeding as intended.


But then he appeared:

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And did this:

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Kabuto Edo Tensei'd Madara

In the event that Madara breaks free and finds out Tobi intended to replace him with Sasuke, Tobi will be in serious trouble.

That's why Tobi was interested in knowing how to stop/unsummon Edo Tensei:

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Of course Kabuto lied about the correct hand seals in unsummoning the jutsu.

And eventually activated Edo Madara:

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Which visibly infuriated Tobi:

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And to make matters worse Sasuke escapes from the hideout:

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Then Madara finally breaks free from Edo Tensei's control:

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And Obito did not seem pleased to meet him:

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So Obito is now stuck with two fatal options:

a.) He doesn't revive Edo Madara with Rinne Tensei, but the Juubi will break free from their control, thus the Eye of the Moon Plan (their goal) will fail.

or

b.) He revives Edo Madara with Rinne Tensei so that Madara could become the Juubi's Jinchuuriki but he would die in the process of using Rinne Tensei.

So which is more important to him? his (Obito's) life, or his ideals? Is Obito willing to sacrifice his life for the ideology he and Madara shares, we will find out in the upcoming chapters.

Nice thread, + rep

 

[Bogard]

I think Obito's original plan was with Itachi instead of Sasuke since he noticed he also had tsukuyomi. For that reason he trained Itachi(like Itachi mentioned), but later he realised Itachi caught deseases or/and couldn't follow his plans. Maybe it's for that reason he decided to look Sasuke's progression

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I think Obito's original plan was with Itachi instead of Sasuke since he noticed he also had tsukuyomi. For that reason he trained Itachi(like Itachi mentioned), but later he realised Itachi caught deseases or/and couldn't follow his plans. Maybe it's for that reason he decided to look Sasuke's progression

It's possible, but I think Tobi was aware from the beginning that Itachi was merely spying on Akatsuki on behalf of Konoha, whether he intended to mind control Itachi to do his bidding or something else we really don't know, none the less he had his eyes on Sasuke immediately after Itachi died, that's for sure.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Why else would you be so hostile over a VM?

I actually wasn't being hostile. Actually, he negged me first, and was being a racist, so you know, hop off his willy man. Did you know your beloved leader was a racist? Check my profile.

I even said it's nothing personal. It just pisses me off when people, whom I do not know, come to me asking me to read their theories. Hell, Derp should be proud I even commented, since he strives to worlds end to get a hottest thread.

 

[The God of Wind]

I actually wasn't being hostile. Actually, he negged me, and was being a racist, so you know, hop off his willy man.

I even said it's nothing personal. It just pisses me off.

Now you're pushing it. Don't be a d!ck.

 

[FearxDeath]

Hey, great thread but I think you missed one thing.

One of the premises of your theory is that Obito needs Sasuke/Madara in order to use Tsukuyomi, but you forget that Sharingans, especially MS, retain there abilities once they are trasnfered. Which is the reason why both Danzo and Itachi's crow were able to use ShiShuis MS Ability. With that Obito could easily steal Sasuke's or Madara Eyes and use Tsukuyomi himself. He Also could have stolen Itachi's eyes since he was the one who placed them in Sasuke activating his EMS.

Not just that but keep in mind that he CURRENTLY has a Sharingan with the ablility to use Tsukuyomi, it is infact the rinnegan that he took from Nagato which originally belonged to madara. All he would have to do is revert it to its Sharingan form and he would be able to use Tsukuyomi. And as far as capability with a different persons Sharingan I think that Kakashi has done a great job in showing us that with practice anyone can master anyones Sharingan and thus there is no "Home field advantage" when it comes to mastering a Sharingan, although it is harder when you arent an Uchiha, but Obito is one and he is also Senju which one can assume would only help.

Too much of the theory hinges on the fact that Obito has to rely on someone else to use Tsukuyomi for him which I think I have shown doesnt have to be the case.

On to my theory that I just came up with

With what I just said the only question left is what is Madara's purpose in the Eye of the Moon Plan?

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  Obito can also use Tsukuyomi and thus Madara isnt needed to use it
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  Although Madara may be better at using Tsukuyomi, the 15+ years he was dead Obito could have been training to master Tsukuyomi. Thus again what is Madara purpose in the Eye of the moon plan
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  We know the original plan envolved Nagato reviving Madara but we also know that Nagato doesnt revive you as he pleases but more than likely he revives you in the same farm you were when you dead. If he really did revive people in there prime or how they wanted to be revived then there would be alot of discrepencies in the people he revived in konoha. So either Madara's role in this plan was offense or the plot no jutsu is stronger than we've ever seen.

My Idea:

1) Obito's part of the plan WAS infact to use Tsukuyomi and fulfill the plan, but someone after Madara's death he decided to change his plan. This change would likely be someone like using the Juubi to rule the ninja world and thus end all the fighting between the nations bringing peace to the world. But after Madara was brought back, in edo form no less, Obito was forced to play along with Madara's Original plan. He refuses to use rinne tensie himself and revive Madara simply because he doesnt truly want to follow the plan and is looking for a chance to take back control of the situation.

2) Madara's true role in the plan was what he had been preparing for originally. As you know sealing a bijuu is difficult and isnt a 1 man job especially when talking about the Juubi, I believe Madara's role was to control the Juubi and keep it tamed while Obito man himself its Jinchuuriki. Keep in mind that even now him and Madara switch control of the Jinchuriki while they use it to fight the ninja forces and even with edo tensie and senju dna they have a hard time controlling it, and thats just to get it to do something it already wants to do which is destroy everything. So imagine how hard it would fight to not be made a jinchuriki again like the SO6P did. Keep in mind that the tentacle connecting madara and obito to the juubi is very similar to the one that connected madara to the tree of hashirama's dna... coincidence? I dont think so.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Now you're pushing it. Don't be a d!ck.

I'm not. You're being some sideman.

 

[Jetapo]

Great theory and excellent sig! I believe Obito would prefer to be with Rin instead of helping Madara's ideals. This would help explain the non edo Rin because of "consentual" love vs. the edo mind manipulation. Time will only tell though.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Great theory and excellent sig! I believe Obito would prefer to be with Rin instead of helping Madara's ideals. This would help explain the non edo Rin because of "consentual" love vs. the edo mind manipulation. Time will only tell though.

Indeed, and thanks :x3:

 

[The God of Wind]

I'm not. You're being some sideman.

I call it like I see it.

 

[YellowFlash1]

Excellent thread!

I do like that theory, although i'm under the impression that he wants to live because of this scan...

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[Moe22]

Excellent thread!

I do like that theory, although i'm under the impression that he wants to live because of this scan...

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Firstly, you never cease to impress Derp. And secondly, ^this guy's got a point. Obito's goal for everything is to see Rin again. It'd be silly for the real him to be killed and a fake obito to be put in the "dream world". I think ultimately Madara will fall to the revived kage, so Obito will fail. But hey, that's just me!

 

[Kαmi]

Ohh, this thread was very good, I always had a feeling Obito planned on using Sasuke for his plan but not to this extent. Great thread as usual, and I doubt Obito will throw his life away for Madara. Obito does want peace, seemingly more than anything. But he still doesn't trust Madara, not enough for him to willingly give up his life for peace. I think Obito believes that he is the only one who can truly bring "peace" to the shinobi world.

 

[Moe22]

Ohh, this thread was very good, I always had a feeling Obito planned on using Sasuke for his plan but not to this extent. Great thread as usual, and I doubt Obito will throw his life away for Madara. Obito does want peace, seemingly more than anything. But he still doesn't trust Madara, not enough for him to willingly give up his life for peace. I think Obito believes that he is the only one who can truly bring "peace" to the shinobi world.

You're right, Obito never trusted, and probably never will trust Madara. I just really hope he doesn't get Talk-no-Jutsu'd.