[Theory] Tobirama is more of a Shinobi than Hashirama and Madara

[-Raviel-]

That's like saying he's more of a ninja than Naruto too so....

 

[sulanis]

Totally agree he is the only shinobi that make sense and gained my respect compared to the naive hashirama and butthurt Madara.

my thoughts as well

 

[Sherlock.]

That's like saying he's more of a ninja than Naruto too so....

Yup.... I'm saying it from a real world POV.... Naruto is like Hashirama.... A Hero....

 

[Amelius]

Shinobi or Ninja were mercenaries in the Feudal Japan.... They are hired henchmen who are supposed to do the bidding of their boss or master....

In Part 1 when Hiruzen explained about ranking missions like S,A,B,C,D.... He said they get all kinds of assignments from being bodyguards to assasinations....

Shinobi are basically very tough guys.... They give utmost importance to their missions but a true Shinobi also will readily sacrifice for his comrades....

I think Tobirama was more of a Shinobi than Hasirama and Madara cause -

1.He was a tough guy.... having invented a jutsu like Edo Tensei.... It requires a strong mind to use people for some jutsu like that.... Each time the experiment fails.... One extra life is lost....

2.He readily gave his life for protecting his comrades....

3.He didn't hate the Uchiha but was cautious with them.... He might not have liked Madara but ultimately he gave The Uchiha an important job of law enforcement(Konoha Police Force)....

4.If he was a bad he would have chosen Danzo as the Third Hokage but he chose Hiruzen.... Hiruzen's ideology was more like Hashirama's....

Hashirama was more like a hero.... He was soft and compassionate....
Madara had a twisted ideology and was consumed in hatred.... I think Madara was the one who actually KILLED Izuna.... Just my opinion....

I really don't get why people are calling Tobirama villain and evil based on one chapter.... Tobirama basically has more qualities of a True Ninja than Hashi and Madara cause Hashi was soft and Madara was emo....

Share your thoughts guys....

I think what you speak of is the "current" way of looking at what a shinobi is, however, What I think you may have missed is that maybe that is what is wrong with the current shinobi world. Maybe what hashriama, and those who believe as he does wanted, include the sage of six paths want is a better way for shinobi to be... If you really look at it, tobirama is the reason why the uchiha eventually want to coup, he is also the reason why madara became corrupt, if he had only believed in his brothers way of thinking, the curse of hatred could have been broken and we wouldnt be where we are now. he did nothing to help them, in fact he only fueled their hate.... do you really think thats a good nindo?

 

[Sherlock.]

I think what you speak of is the "current" way of looking at what a shinobi is, however, What I think you may have missed is that maybe that is what is wrong with the current shinobi world. Maybe what hashriama, and those who believe as he does wanted, include the sage of six paths want is a better way for shinobi to be... If you really look at it, tobirama is the reason why the uchiha eventually want to coup, he is also the reason why madara became corrupt, if he had only believed in his brothers way of thinking, the curse of hatred could have been broken and we wouldnt be where we are now. he did nothing to help them, in fact he only fueled their hate.... do you really think thats a good nindo?

I'm speaking of a neutral way of looking at things.... Tobirama was cautious when it came to the Uchiha.... I see nothing wrong in it.... Anyone would like to be alert when it comes to their long time rivals.... Madara was a twisted emo.... And if Tobirama was really that bad he wouldn't have chosen Hiruzen as the 3rd Hokage.... Hiruzen's ideology was more like Hashirama's.... In fact in the current NV most Shinobi's follow that ideology.... Tobirama asked Hiruzen to pass the Will Of Fire to the future generations.... He was a good guy but I say he was very cautious and practical....

 

[freaks99]

tobirama=all evil in narutoverse

 

[Sherlock.]

tobirama=all evil in narutoverse

If thats true then I wonder what you will call Danzo and Hanzo.... XD XD

 

[theTobiramaSenju]

yes, I agree, he was all realistic and he built the village and was responsible.
He didn't try to do big changes but yet supported his brother's ideals, without him I don't think hashirama could actually make things happen.

 

[Amelius]

I'm speaking of a neutral way of looking at things.... Tobirama was cautious when it came to the Uchiha.... I see nothing wrong in it.... Anyone would like to be alert when it comes to their long time rivals.... Madara was a twisted emo.... And if Tobirama was really that bad he wouldn't have chosen Hiruzen as the 3rd Hokage.... Hiruzen's ideology was more like Hashirama's.... In fact in the current NV most Shinobi's follow that ideology.... Tobirama asked Hiruzen to pass the Will Of Fire to the future generations.... He was a good guy but I say he was very cautious and practical....

Yes, thats how he was at the END of his life, but everything you brought up was tobirama at the beginning of the village and before he became hokage and (maybe adopted alittle of his brothers will). But the tobirama we are seeing in the flash backs right now is a bad example of a shinobi imo. He could have still be caution of them, but if you never give them the chance, does that not turn into persecution? He gave them the police job to WATCH them. As long as we treat people like a our enemy( or that they could become one again), they'll always think they are one. Tobirama was not able to let the past go, which in this sitaution, caused the past to repeat itself.... he had a pessimistic attitude toward the uchiha! Madara was not worried about the well-being of the uchiha until it became clear that tobriama had no intention of really letting the past go, do you have ANY idea how much strength it took Madara to accept the truce after his brother died and to not kill tobriama( the one who probably really killed Izuna) yes he didnt like him, but the fact that he didnt attack proved he was willing to try and let the past go.... until he heard tobriama speak bout the uchiha. thats when he became worried and "gave in" to the corruption.

 

[Amelius]

Im not saying tobirama was a bad shinobi, he did alot of good. but he also did alot of wrong! And I think the reason he didnt pick danzo was because danzo was too much like himself and he wanted someone like his brother as hokage, so he picked sarutobi

 

[Sherlock.]

Im not saying tobirama was a bad shinobi, he did alot of good. but he also did alot of wrong! And I think the reason he didnt pick danzo was because danzo was too much like himself and he wanted someone like his brother as hokage, so he picked sarutobi

I get what you wanted to say.... But what Hashi did can only be done by someone who's a compsionate guy like him.... Also I don't know if you watch DBZ but if you do.... Remember the scence in Saiyan Arc when Krillin is about to stab Vegeta but Goku stops him.... Tobirama's situation is similar to Krillin.... He can't blindly trust Madara.... But he goes by his bro Hashi's will....

 

[Amelius]

I get what you wanted to say.... But what Hashi did can only be done by someone who's a compsionate guy like him.... Also I don't know if you watch DBZ but if you do.... Remember the scence in Saiyan Arc when Krillin is about to stab Vegeta but Goku stops him.... Tobirama's situation is similar to Krillin.... He can't blindly trust Madara.... But he goes by his bro Hashi's will....

Exactly, the difference is that krillin was eventually able to let the past go and Vegeta became one of the most powerful defenders of earth.... maybe if tobriama would have not only followed his brothers will, but alxo believed in it, Madara could indeed have become the 2nd, or even 3rd hokage

Vegata was born to be evil and overcame it
Madara was born to defend his people and because of the lack of forgiveness, maybe on both sides... he became corrupt

 

[Sherlock.]

Exactly, the difference is that krillin was eventually able to let the past go and Vegeta became one of the most powerful defenders of earth.... maybe if tobriama would have not only followed his brothers will, but alxo believed in it, Madara could indeed have become the 2nd, or even 3rd hokage

Vegata was born to be evil and overcame it
Madara was born to defend his people and because of the lack of forgiveness, maybe on both sides... he became corrupt

Yeah.... Thats what.... I'm seeing people making threads on NB saying it was all Tobirama's fault and Madara wasn't at fault.... So I made this thread.... Cause Madara is no little girl.... He can mindr**e anyone easily if he wants to....

 

[Amelius]

Yeah.... Thats what.... I'm seeing people making threads on NB saying it was all Tobirama's fault and Madara wasn't at fault.... So I made this thread.... Cause Madara is no little girl.... He can mindr**e anyone easily if he wants to....

Im not saying I believe in madara, Im in Hashriama's boat all the way

 

[Sherlock.]

Im not saying I believe in madara, Im in Hashriama's boat all the way

Yup.... I'm a Hashi fan too....

 

[Minator93]

Tobirama is was a skilled Ninja, not gifted like Hashirama or Madara but skilled and he was a better "Shinobi" than them if not "stronger"

 

[AlphaScythian]

I stopped reading at edo tensei.
If u need it then ur weak, not tough. Sacrificing ppl is tough? Well orochimaru is toughest ass then.
Him sacrificing as hokage? Nothing less is expected from any of them.

 

[Sherlock.]

I stopped reading at edo tensei.
If u need it then ur weak, not tough. Sacrificing ppl is tough? Well orochimaru is toughest ass then.
Him sacrificing as hokage? Nothing less is expected from any of them.

*Reads half of the OP and forms opinion based on that half info* XD XD

 

[Sherlock.]

Tobirama is was a skilled Ninja, not gifted like Hashirama or Madara but skilled and he was a better "Shinobi" than them if not "stronger"

Thanks.... You got what I wanted to say....

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

i didnt know rama was a tool for thats what shinobi are tools to be ordered around 1s who must kill their emotions on the battlefield do what ever it commanded of them