[Theory] The Reason Why Orochimaru Did Not Use Reaper Death Unseal Before (Solved!)

[Draegod]

I disagree with almost all of it.

1. The only reason they went underground to the uchiha hideout could be because they couldnt do the ritual and everything they did out in the open! Hence why they wore hoodies to hide their identity.

Fact: Oru only agreed to revive the kages so sasuke could talk. Why would they talk in th eopen where ppl could interuptor spy, or start a battle that will delay sasuke talking? The only answer is to revive the kages in a secret place with no interuptions!

The uzamakis and uchihas have nothing to do with each other so why would the mask have to be used in front of the shrine. Fact: the mask did not activate in front of the shrine, it activated when oru put in on nothing else.

Fact number 2: Kabuto who can still use jutsus and is a oru 2.0 still wanted sasuke! Why would he still want sasuke if their true intentions was to simply use the reaper seal?????
It is obv it is all about the rinnegan. That is why they did so much research with madara and senju. It is wayyyyyyyyyyyy more then to get arms back.

Fact 3: wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before he even lost his arms he wanted Sasuke and before that he wanted itachi! Why would he want them then????

Your theory is ok, but super duper flawed!!!

He wasnt in a hurry to get his arms back and getting in the village would of been less then likely a second time now that gaurd is even higher from when itachi them went in!

Fact: After he had to wait 3 yrs to switch bodys again. He spent the time training sasuke so when the time came sasuke would be powerful and so would he after taking his body. even if he wanted to he couldnt have went back in the village to get his arms back because:
1. Sasuke wouldnt dare go back
2. Oru was to busy training sasuke
3. it wasnt the right time


I could go on and on! But its clear your theory is flawed very much so. But good jod for the effort

 

[xxSAGExx]

The scroll was already laying cozily on his secret room for years, he had it for a long time, he just couldn't use it

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You see the accumulation of dust and spider webs? that is indicative that the room hasn't been accessed for ages. so the scroll had been there for a long time, he just couldn't use it, that's why Oro had it hidden.


And if you actually read the whole OP you would know that Oro needed Sasuke's sharingan to open the door but he intended another person to perform the unsealing.

Probably Kabuto or some random Sound Ninja

Dust and spiderwebs being in the room does not mean Orochimaru had that knowledge for a long time. You can have both in a room that's closed off for a few months and Orochimaru has been dead for months (from when he was sealed in Sasuke to being revived recently). Also about your scan of when Orochimaru saying there was another way he was talking about switching bodies as it shows in the 2 pages after that page you used. It shows the lady's face that he took over then said that's how he's immortal.

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. Also By Switching bodies Orochimaru has been able to jutsus for a short time as we see in his fight against the 4 tails so that was his way of getting his jutsus back. Also Orochimaru said himself that after losing his arms he started to study the Uzumaki clan's ruins and documents as shown here

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He would not have all the information from loosing his arm to fighting Tsunade and Jiraiya. Here's what Jiraiya tells Naruto:

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. Also You seem to lack the fact that Orochimaru could have easily summoned a Uchiha using edo tensei with Kabuto who can also use it then have them open the tablet room door and got his arms right there and then IF he knew about how to do so back in part 1. He more likely found out how to get his arms within the 3 years gap in his free time Since he was training Sasuke, researching Hashirama's cells, edo tensei (madara), Watching the Akatsuki (sp?). From the limited flashbacks we go on Sasuke time with Orochimaru it was with Sasuke telling Orochimaru to train him (from part 1when Sasuke first went to him to when Sai met Sasuke).

Also you saying Orochimaru having someone else do the breaking of the seal so Sasuke body isn't destroy in the jutstu is just wrong since Sasuke said himself there are things only Orochimaru can do. Suigetsu said if Sasuke took time to learn it then he could do it and Sasuke disagreed with this even tho putting someone under a genjutsu so they do the jutsu could easily have been done bu no Orochimaru was needed. If Orochimaru did take Sasuke body then he would be learning as much jutsus ashe can for the 3 yrs because he only has it for 3 yrs before he needs a new body then while the time for a new body drew near then he would go get his arms then get a new body.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

ya makes sense. great work again.

Thank you very much

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

good job as always but how the f*ck did u know the door was of marble xD

Im the only sage!

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

People just stop acting like ya could prove us wrong on our thoerys me and derp are naruto experts!
Derp nice thread

 

[TJ0001]

while this all makes alot of sense, and adds up really well, wasnt orochimaru after sasuke BEFORE he lost his arms.

isnt that why he gave sasuke the curse mark to begin with? once he gave him the curse he said that sasuke would for sure seek him for power. i can understand his arms being one of the reasons after the fight with the third hokage, however there must be another reason as well.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Omg wasn't this ****ing obvious from the second they went to the uchiha shrine? I can't believe people didn't know this so much that you needed to make such a detailed thread...

Good job anyway...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Omg wasn't this ****ing obvious from the second they went to the uchiha shrine? I can't believe people didn't know this so much that you needed to make such a detailed thread...

Good job anyway...

Well, others think it was just a "cozy safe place" Sasuke and Oro chose to talk with the Edo Hokages, but it's so obvious that the Tablet was needed to undo the RDS. :

 

[FearxDeath]

nice job man, great read, makes alot of sense. To take it even further to describe the mask and tablet you could say that since the tablet changes on what visual jutsu you use to look at it ergo it being deciphered in more detail when you use a Sharingan, MS or Rinegan, then one can assume that when looking at the tablet through the eyes of he shinigami mask it would activate the summoning of the shinigami. Not much of a build from what you said about putting on the mask near the tablet but extra details is always better

 

[FearxDeath]

Corrected some things for you!!!

What a truly dumb ass thread
Starting off your statement with a vague insult, as is the way of an internet douchebag... the troll is strong in this one

Orochimaru been wanted a uchiha body hence itachi at
He never says he didnt, if you read his thread you will see that he says Orochimaru wanted the sharingan but after losing his arms he went from wanting it to needing it. Consider this, why didnt he just take Sasukes body when he meet him in the chunnin exam rather than implanting the cursed mark on him? Because he was more interested in toying around with Sasuke and wanting his fruit to ripen before he plucked it, but after losing his arms he went after sasuke full force becoming obsessed with obtaining his body.

Orochimaru only researched the uzimaki & seal after he lost his arms
This is exactly what he says word for word.... Why are you saying this as if this is new news... it makes me think you didnt even bother reading what he said

The tablet has nothing to do with the mask & the seal
Dem some heavy words.... care to explain why you think this? Why we should believe you? Anyone can say the sky is green... but here in reality we care about something called proof to back up claims. One does not simply say "The tablet had nothing to do with the mask & Seal" without giving any reason why you think that or at the very least explaining away the reason they needed to be in the uchiha secret meeting place, why the tablet was portrayed the way it was(as if it had relevance) and why orochimaru and everyone else was standing directly infront of it prior to using the jutsu.

Orochimaru still wants sasuke's body no homo
No shit sherlock, because he wanted the body prior to losing his arms...

The jutsu suigetsu was talking bout is an uchiha secret that they use to move the sealed door

Here you go again, throwing out a wild and crazy statement that goes against the facts, but doing nothing to back up this statement or give any reason why we should believe it. Door to the secret uchiha meeting place has a sharingan on it... sasuke has his sharingan activate when opening the door... one would think "Ofcourse, the sharingan, being a dojutsu which is a kind of jutsu, was the jutsu suigestu was refering to..." But you on the other hand think he is referring to a different jutsu that isnt portrayed or even hinted towards in the manga?

 

[Draegod]

I find it funny that ppl think this theory is legit! lmao

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

nice job man, great read, makes alot of sense. To take it even further to describe the mask and tablet you could say that since the tablet changes on what visual jutsu you use to look at it ergo it being deciphered in more detail when you use a Sharingan, MS or Rinegan, then one can assume that when looking at the tablet through the eyes of he shinigami mask it would activate the summoning of the shinigami. Not much of a build from what you said about putting on the mask near the tablet but extra details is always better

Ty FearxDeath

 

[FearxDeath]

Corrected some things about your statement as well. You claim alot of things to be fact when they really are not.

I disagree with almost all of it.

1. The only reason they went underground to the uchiha hideout could be because they couldnt do the ritual and everything they did out in the open! Hence why they wore hoodies to hide their identity.
So Sasuke and Orochimaru left Orochimaru's "Secret room" within a the hideout where Kabuto was hiding from the ENTIRE NINJA ARMY, and went to Konoha, ground zero for the ninja army, in order to destroy a building and enter a secret uchiha meeting place room? That is what you say makes sense...

Fact: Oru only agreed to revive the kages so sasuke could talk. Why would they talk in th eopen where ppl could interuptor spy, or start a battle that will delay sasuke talking? The only answer is to revive the kages in a secret place with no interuptions!
As i said before, where they were before was even more secretive than a secret uchiha room in the middle of konoha, especially given that none of them are familiar with this secret room as sasuke has only been there once and Orochimaru has never been there before. as oppose to a secret location where kabuto was hiding out.

The uzamakis and uchihas have nothing to do with each other so why would the mask have to be used in front of the shrine. Fact: the mask did not activate in front of the shrine, it activated when oru put in on nothing else.
Let me tell you some facts, 1) The uchiha are related to the SO6P, 2) The SO6P passed down fuijutsu to the uzimaki clan, this is also confirmed by the fact that the 9 tails states that the uzimaki seal placed on naruto is the exact same seal the SO6P used. Therefore we can draw a relation between the two by there relation with the SO6P.

Fact number 2: Kabuto who can still use jutsus and is a oru 2.0 still wanted sasuke! Why would he still want sasuke if their true intentions was to simply use the reaper seal?????
As derp already stated, they needed a sharingan to open the secret door to the room that held the uchiha tablet. Kabuto wanted to revive Oro but before doing so he wanted to prove himself as worthy to Oro, Therefore he finished alot of his experiments while planning ways to bring him back, hence why he kidnapped anko.

It is obv it is all about the rinnegan. That is why they did so much research with madara and senju. It is wayyyyyyyyyyyy more then to get arms back.
Yes, you are right... Orochimaru did not care about getting his arms back... the entire arc dedicated to him trying to do so was just a trick by kishimoto to throw us off...

Fact 3: wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before he even lost his arms he wanted Sasuke and before that he wanted itachi! Why would he want them then????
We know this, but upon losing his arms getting sasuke became a neccisity. If he really wanted sasuke as badly as you think he did then why didnt he take sasuke when they met at the chunnin exam rather than placing the cursed mark on him.

Your theory is ok, but super duper flawed!!!
Not really

He wasnt in a hurry to get his arms back and getting in the village would of been less then likely a second time now that gaurd is even higher from when itachi them went in!
Again i guess the entire arc dedicated to orochimaru trying to get tsunade to fix his arms was a

Fact: After he had to wait 3 yrs to switch bodys again. He spent the time training sasuke so when the time came sasuke would be powerful and so would he after taking his body. even if he wanted to he couldnt have went back in the village to get his arms back because:
Correction, DURING the time he had to wait 3 years to switch bodies he spent time training sasuke, not after.

1. Sasuke wouldnt dare go back
Sasuke would have done anything oro told him to do as long as it envolved him getting stronger

2. Oru was to busy training sasuke
Ok... Because people cant take a hour break from training to walk down to konoha and get something real quick

3. it wasnt the right time
Well thats awfully vague


I could go on and on! But its clear your theory is flawed very much so. But good jod for the effort
Lip service is all you did, self important lip service with no real reasoning behind it.

 

[NarutoKage2]

To those posters claiming that Oro merely putting on the mask was what activated the Reaper Death Unseal not the tablet and that they went to the shrine simply to stay hidden care explaining this??:

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'Appearance does'nt matter. What's important is downstairs'.

If they just wanted a place to hide, why did Sasuke say that? It clearly shows that the uchiha's secret meeting place had some critical function to what they were going to do, basic comprehension and logic allows you to infer this.
The fact that the Uchiha stone tablet is shown on that very page in the next image only lends weight to the theory in the OP.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

To those posters claiming that Oro merely putting on the mask was what activated the Reaper Death Unseal not the tablet and that they went to the shrine simply to stay hidden care explaining this??:

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'Appearance does'nt matter. What's important is downstairs'.

If they just wanted a place to hide, why did Sasuke say that? It clearly shows that the uchiha's secret meeting place had some critical function to what they were going to do, basic comprehension and logic allows you to infer this.
The fact that the Uchiha stone tablet is shown on that very page in the next image only lends weight to the theory in the OP.

Agreed, not to mention that the object in reference was of immediate use to Sasuke's intentions (talking with the Hokages) and immediately after referring to the tablet, the image of the object itself was shown in the next panel. And lighting the torches at the tablet afterwards.

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The mere fact that Orochimaru and others gathered AROUND the tablet is indicative of the ritualistic importance of the Tablet to the unsealing ritual.

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The fact that Orochimaru was facing and crouching in front of the Tablet is indicative of the Tablet's necessity

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The fact that Orochimaru donned the mask in front if the Tablet and crouched and looked at the Tablet at the moment of the RDS Unseal activated is indicative of the Tablet's vital role in the process.


It us only logical to conclude that the importance of the object (Uchiha Tablet) that Sasuke was referring to was of IMMEDIATE USE/IMPORTANCE to his intentions (Unsealing RDS and talking with the former Hokages)

To reject that is to simply deny the elephant in the room, the Tablet was needed for the RDS Unseal.

 

[Vin Thora]

The stone was sealed,only the Sharingan could open the stone.

Under the stone is a passage. No matter how sealed a stone is, you just crack it open with an earth jutsu and you're in. Or could dig a tunnel next to said stone and tunnel your way into the passage underneath.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The tablet not being mentioned in the unsealing ritual of RDS is Kishimoto's way of being subtle since if the object in question (Uchiha Tablet) was directly mentioned as a vital object for the unsealing ritual then just about anyone can infer that Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki Since an Uzumaki Item unsealed through an item created by Rikudou Sennin (Uchiha Tablet) would make anyone easily deduce that Rikudou Sennin himself was an Uzumaki.

And if we clearly analyze the situation: What would Sasuke gain from reading the tablet? Sasuke's inquiry is only about the history of the Leaf, anything written on the tablet is prior to that point (Rikudou Sennin vs the Juubi, The Elder and Younger Son, the sealing of the Gedo Mazo in the Moon, the Rinnegan, etc.) everything that is written in the Tablet prior to the Hokages' story is moot.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Agreed, not to mention that the object in reference was of immediate use to Sasuke's intentions (talking with the Hokages) and immediately after referring to the tablet, the image of the object itself was shown in the next panel. And lighting the torches at the tablet afterwards.

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The mere fact that Orochimaru and others gathered AROUND the tablet is indicative of the ritualistic importance of the Tablet to the unsealing ritual.

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The fact that Orochimaru was facing and crouching in front of the Tablet is indicative of the Tablet's necessity

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The fact that Orochimaru donned the mask in front if the Tablet and crouched and looked at the Tablet at the moment of the RDS Unseal activated is indicative of the Tablet's vital role in the process.


It us only logical to conclude that the importance of the object (Uchiha Tablet) that Sasuke was referring to was of IMMEDIATE USE/IMPORTANCE to his intentions (Unsealing RDS and talking with the former Hokages)

To reject that is to simply deny the elephant in the room, the Tablet was needed for the RDS Unseal.

I do agree eith all that you stated. However some people may refer to this evidence as circumstantial or possible coincidence. That the tablet was shown to emphasize that they were in the secret meeting room etc. The veritable nail in the coffin to that counter argument is still sasukes statement'whats important is downstairs'. This clearly rules out the possibility of co incidence, since he couldve just stated'lets hurry up and go downstairs' which is what he should have said if his intention were to stay hidden. The mentioning of something important being downstairs proves that what they were going to do, the RDS unseal, HAD to be performed at the location specified, i.e downstairs. On its own, this doesnt prove that the tablet was the catalyst for the jutsu, but it makes it into a very strong possibility. Then the burden of proof is on the doubters to try and establish what that thing of importance could possibly be that is downstairs in that room. Only when this position is established can we go on to make the argument that you presented, vis a vis the position of the characters and orochimaru in that room. It is close to 97% probable that the tablet is needed for the successful completion of the unseal, but for the simple reason that it was not explicitly stated to be the case, its important to go about proving it by this sequence,i.e first use what was explicitly stated, by sasuke in this case. Not doting on your theory, just some friendly advice.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I do agree eith all that you stated. However some people may refer to this evidence as circumstantial or possible coincidence. That the tablet was shown to emphasize that they were in the secret meeting room etc. The veritable nail in the coffin to that counter argument is still sasukes statement'whats important is downstairs'. This clearly rules out the possibility of co incidence, since he couldve just stated'lets hurry up and go downstairs' which is what he should have said if his intention were to stay hidden. The mentioning of something important being downstairs proves that what they were going to do, the RDS unseal, HAD to be performed at the location specified, i.e downstairs. On its own, this doesnt prove that the tablet was the catalyst for the jutsu, but it makes it into a very strong possibility. Then the burden of proof is on the doubters to try and establish what that thing of importance could possibly be that is downstairs in that room. Only when this position is established can we go on to make the argument that you presented, vis a vis the position of the characters and orochimaru in that room. It is close to 97% probable that the tablet is needed for the successful completion of the unseal, but for the simple reason that it was not explicitly stated to be the case, its important to go about proving it by this sequence,i.e first use what was explicitly stated, by sasuke in this case. Not doting on your theory, just some friendly advice.

Thanks and yeah I understand, until it is clarified in the manga there would still be skeptics, it cannot be avoided, but I remain confident in terms of probability that my idea is correct: that the Uchiha Tablet was indeed needed for the RDS Unseal.

 

[Draegod]

Corrected some things about your statement as well. You claim alot of things to be fact when they really are not.

1st off, its obv your new because you never reply to a quote inside a quote. lmao

1. Sasuek and oru didnt have the mask because it was in konaha Dumbass! So ofcourse they had to leave their hideout to go to konaha to get the mask. And why would they get the mask then travel wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back to another hideout when their was a hideout already present? Ofc i would go to the uchiha hideout since its around the corner. lmao

2. The uchiha hideout was under ground where not a soul could see or here them! So why wouldnt you go their to TALK!!! Which is what is happening in the manga! Why go alllllllllllll the way (hours of traveling) back to a hideout when 1 was around the corner??? DO you even know what common sense is???

3. LMAo Where in the manga did it state the SO6P passed down sealing jutsus to the uzamakis??? That is strait BS! lmao hahahahahha YOu fail so hard its sad!

4. Why would he need sasuke when he has Madara???????????????? You must not read the manga!!! And he could simply edo some random uchiha and gain access that way aswell! You fail hard again kid!!!

5. Getting his arms back is a plus or to get him back to where he was before. But in the end, The rennigan was what they wanted! Pay attention to the manga!

6. He wante dsasuke to get stronger and seek him out for power! Do you even know he want itachi yearssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss before he knew about sasuke??????

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Wayyyyyyyy before he lost his arms or even knew about the RDs he wanted itschi and sasuke! OWNED you have been!



Like i said befor ethe theory is flawed! And it some of it could be true. But to state he only wanted the sharigan to get his arms back is retarded!

To those posters claiming that Oro merely putting on the mask was what activated the Reaper Death Unseal not the tablet and that they went to the shrine simply to stay hidden care explaining this??:

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Or read it here:

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'Appearance does'nt matter. What's important is downstairs'.

If they just wanted a place to hide, why did Sasuke say that? It clearly shows that the uchiha's secret meeting place had some critical function to what they were going to do, basic comprehension and logic allows you to infer this.
The fact that the Uchiha stone tablet is shown on that very page in the next image only lends weight to the theory in the OP.

Maybe because the hideout itself is downstairs! Suigetsu first thought the destroyed hideout was what they were interested in or going to (Hence him niting nothing is left). Only sasuke and Oru knew of the downstairs hide out, so ofc he would say that since suigetsu had no idea.