*Theory* Slug sage mode Potential Methods

[TheTailedSage]

since i actually make a lot of threads against Sakura im going to do something similar to this. I was thinking about IF she were to obtain SM. Nice theory

 

[Joshutsu]

since i actually make a lot of threads against Sakura im going to do something similar to this. I was thinking about IF she were to obtain SM. Nice theory

Thank you o.o (if you are serious)

 

[D R E X]

VIP, and gets banned? You sure are important.

I dare you go ahead.

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i get banned for killing off trolls such as yourself ..... i feel that you're are not being wise .

if you do clash with me , you will be slaughtered
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[TheTailedSage]

Thank you o.o (if you are serious)

If i think something is a joke or a troll ill just say it, im serious. Just because i dislike sakuras character that doesn't mean anything, to deny possible theories or legit ideas is just plain aysshole movements. im going to make the thread tomorrow. Not a hater i just dont like her but regardless its what makes an effective debater

 

[Joshutsu]

i get banned for killing off trolls such as yourself ..... i feel that you're are not being wise .

if you do clash with me , you will be slaughtered
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I'm not afraid of you pickle d*cks. So go ahead and run around and neg rep like you always pull. Nothing you can do to my account on this base affects me so you make a green bar go down that's fine. You really aren't helping to put accross the impression you seem to want me to have of you well in that light. other than being butthurt because Sakura fans don't give a damn what you have to say D;

If i think something is a joke or a troll ill just say it, im serious. Just because i dislike sakuras character that doesn't mean anything, to deny possible theories or legit ideas is just plain aysshole movements. im going to make the thread tomorrow. Not a hater i just dont like her but regardless its what makes an effective debater

Oh then yay i guess, it's nice that some people can be reasonable even when a character they make not like is involved. I look forward to your thread.

 

[D R E X]

I'm not afraid of you pickle d*cks. So go ahead and run around and neg rep like you always pull. Nothing you can do to my account on this base affects me so you make a green bar go down that's fine. You really aren't helping to put accross the impression you seem to want me to have of you well in that light. other than being butthurt because Sakura fans don't give a damn what you have to say D;

Well , you should be ....talk to me once you've learnt some manners , little girl .

And if a circular argument is the best you can come of with then you're just wasting my time . ​

 

[Joshutsu]

Well , you should be ....talk to me once you've learnt some manners , little girl .

And if a circular argument is the best you can come of with then you're just wasting my time . ​

Yet you come back every time. ._. If you're going to try to be high up in the base at least have a little class like your other friends. They're a bit more convincing =/ I think i'm done with you now.

 

[D R E X]

Yet you come back every time. ._. If you're going to try to be high up in the base at least have a little class like your other friends. They're a bit more convincing =/ I think i'm done with you now.

I'm just teaching you respect , nothing more .

i'm not soft like the others , you give me respect , I give you respect .. That's all there is to know about me .​

 

[Joshutsu]

I'm just teaching you respect , nothing more .​

You should go to teacher training. I'm going to sleep ._.

I rather my thread be populated further with things that matter to it. Or nothing at all rather than anymore of this

 

[D R E X]

You should go to teacher training. I'm going to sleep ._.

I rather my thread be populated further with things that matter to it. Or nothing at all rather than anymore of this

Huh , like I care what you're going to do next and have you not went to kindergarten Lol ... because your English sucks .

Very well , I shall spare you this time but consider this as your first warning .​

 

[KCMNaruto]

Great thread OP, screw all haters . Even although I am not fan of Sakura or Tsunade myself but even dislike them a bit... still I can respect your efforts put into that thread as the manga clearly supports your point about Slug Sage mode existing. For me you have proven two points:

- SSM exists
- Hashirama has SSM as resemblance between Hashirama's SM and Byakugaou Seal markings and symbols can not be coincidence.

Also this panel:

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^^ Hashirama has Byakogou seal first... then got SSM.

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^^ Madara confirms that Tsunade's Byakugou seal is same as Hashirama's regeneration ability. Idk if Hashirama had markings as Tsunade and Sakura.

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^^ Until Kishi explains why Tsunade formed this handseal... there is chance Tsunade tried to enter Sennin mode... or first Summon Katsuyu then enter Sennin mode.

Possible explanation why Tsunade didn't use SM against Madara:

- She may have imperfect SM and take big amount of time to enter it(she simply has it but suck at it)
- It takes too much time to enter SM while she couldn't get this time against Madara
- She has to stay still and be completly focused while she can not use any technique, so no medic technique on anyone.
- She can not enter SM on her own so first she needed to summon Katsuyu or some Slug Sage... and for that she needed big amount of chakra which she couldn't gather fast as she has constatnly wasting it on healing others, fighting and regenerating.
- Tsunade can not enter SM while using her technique to make her look young... that why she left it as last effort
- Tsunade can not use medical Techniques while using SM... and most likely she can not stay in that mode for long.
- Drawbacks of Imperfect SSM bring a lot of risks as: Turns into slug, melt your body or even blow up with acid which rip your body in pieces... it can be much more reasons.

Considering that Kishi like a lot to keep all sannin on around same level... and Student surprassing master I can clearly believe it is possible for Tsunade to have Imperfect SM or be able to enter it wth help of Katsuyu or Slug Sage.

My conclusion: Tsunade has Perfect Byakugou seal + Imperfect Slug Sage mode while Sakura has only Byakugou seal and now is ready to learn SSM but there is no time in the manga for that.

Epic work OP, really well done
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[Optimistic]

nothing but a theory.

 

[Bantos]

Awesome thread.

I don't get why people assume Hashirama's sage mode is the slug sage mode. It has never even been hinted in being that.

 

[Chatte]

Hmm, interesting theory.
But I do hold belief from my own theory that the requirements for SSM are different than FSM and DSM as written in my initial theory.
I think the line will be drawn between Tsunade and Sakura when it comes to possible acquirement in the genjutsu department. As far as I know, Tsunade scores low in genjutsu while Sakura does have high stats. So dunno why but my guess is that SSM will also have something to do with SSM.
Kishi didn't emphasis for nothing that Sakura will become a greater kunoichi than her master, letting us understand that genjutsu would make the difference.

 

[Strict]

Sakura and Tsunade have the same Gen stats.. I believe Slug Sage Mode is what Hashirama has. If it's not Dragon Sage Mode or Toad Sage Mode, what it clearly isn't, according to portrayal, only SSM is left. I think it's also plausible because of his powers. As known he also possesses great medical skills and has regeneration on Tsunade's level with Byakugo. Either this is achieved with his SM or greatly increased. Or, since already being familiar with medical Ninjutsu, the Sage Mode you achieve at Shikkotsurin could be the most valuable one.

 

[Chatte]

Sakura and Tsunade have the same Gen stats.. I believe Slug Sage Mode is what Hashirama has. If it's not Dragon Sage Mode or Toad Sage Mode, what it clearly isn't, according to portrayal, only SSM is left. I think it's also plausible because of his powers. As known he also possesses great medical skills and has regeneration on Tsunade's level with Byakugo. Either this is achieved with his SM or greatly increased. Or, since already being familiar with medical Ninjutsu, the Sage Mode you achieve at Shikkotsurin could be the most valuable one.

Oh, my bad, I was under the impression that Sakura had higher stats. But it could be possible at this time, tho'. Things have changed since DB3.

As for the Hashirama SM, well, I'm just gonna copy what I've written somewhere else, as I am of other opinion in regards to him having SSM.

Hashirama’s unique Sage Mode. Shin Sūsenju & Shinju​

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Now as some of you that are frequenting the same forums as me know, I am a strong believer that Hashirama Senju’s actual Sage Mode comes from the Shinju/God Tree itself. I am well aware that there are indeed some gaps that don’t quite can get filled however, if we look at the manga, there are several elements, details or however you want to call them, that indicate that my presumption might hold some actual truth.

Let’s take it step by step first. As we know, the actual God Tree is the Juubi, the Juubi who was previously constructed, among other things, from Hashirama’s preserved cells by Madara.

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If we look at the tree and look at Hashirama’s techniques/Sage Mode there are quite some similarities between them.

A Tree that blooms which is similar to Hashiramas’s Blooming Forest, technique that he used to put people to sleep.

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As well, what they also have in common is the fact that both Shinjuu and Hashirama’s Wood Dragon absorb chakra.

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Also, prior to the transformation of the Juubi into the Shinjuu, it is explained to us that actually “that thing” is Natural Energy itself.

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Coincidentally or not, funny how the first elements that are mentioned there when Kurama starts describing the Juubi are none other than earth and water, both which are the elements one uses in order to get Mokuton. But besides all those similarities that I have shown until now, the biggest one is none other than the designs of Hashirama’s multiple statues and the ones that we saw in the most recent chapters, which were coming out from the Shinjuu itself.

Let’s show some examples.

Hashirama:

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Shinju:

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Coincidence much that both Hashirama’s wood statues, to say like this and the Shinju ones look extremely alike? I believe not! Of course, there are details that will further need explaining but that is Kishimoto’s job. But from what he has shown us, Hashirama’s techniques and Sage Mode and the God Tree, might be very well linked and Hashirama’s actual Sage Mode could be some sort of Mokuton Sage Mode.
You might think by now that how can this possible, we only know three places where one could acquire senjutsu.

But, think about it! He could very well have a unique Sage Mode because:
1. We know that there are three magic places associated with the Animal Trinity where it was said to attain/master Senjutsu as in, Natural Energy.

2. Then, with the whole Juubi transformation story, in-between, we get another mention of Natural Energy. And that being TenTails… which surprisingly transforms into a Tree that has similar traits with Hashirama’s Sage Mode and techniques.

3. With that being said, we now have a fourth mention of Natural Energy which breaks the patterns with what we have known until now that we only had three sources of Natural Energy. As I said, we have a fourth one now.
Thus, we can conclude that besides those 3 magic places, there’s an ultimate source of Natural Energy that is the Tree itself – this will need further explaining by the author himself, of course – which only leads logically to the idea that his Sage Mode is unique to him and has nothing to do with the Animal Trinity and their Natural Energy possession/Sage Modes.

 

[Edo Odin]

Like others have stated before me, I'd be surprised if Hashirama's Sennin Modo didn't originate from the Shikkotsurin. I doubt Kishi would introduce a new type of Sennin Modo out of the blue at this point in the Manga, after having only introduced three places where one could achieve it initially. The theory is interesting, but I can't say I find it to be too believable. Nonetheless, I appreciate the work you put into this.​

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[Joshutsu]

Great thread OP, screw all haters . Even although I am not fan of Sakura or Tsunade myself but even dislike them a bit... still I can respect your efforts put into that thread as the manga clearly supports your point about Slug Sage mode existing. For me you have proven two points:

- SSM exists
- Hashirama has SSM as resemblance between Hashirama's SM and Byakugaou Seal markings and symbols can not be coincidence.

Also this panel:

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^^ Hashirama has Byakogou seal first... then got SSM.

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^^ Madara confirms that Tsunade's Byakugou seal is same as Hashirama's regeneration ability. Idk if Hashirama had markings as Tsunade and Sakura.

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^^ Until Kishi explains why Tsunade formed this handseal... there is chance Tsunade tried to enter Sennin mode... or first Summon Katsuyu then enter Sennin mode.

Possible explanation why Tsunade didn't use SM against Madara:

- She may have imperfect SM and take big amount of time to enter it(she simply has it but suck at it)
- It takes too much time to enter SM while she couldn't get this time against Madara
- She has to stay still and be completly focused while she can not use any technique, so no medic technique on anyone.
- She can not enter SM on her own so first she needed to summon Katsuyu or some Slug Sage... and for that she needed big amount of chakra which she couldn't gather fast as she has constatnly wasting it on healing others, fighting and regenerating.
- Tsunade can not enter SM while using her technique to make her look young... that why she left it as last effort
- Tsunade can not use medical Techniques while using SM... and most likely she can not stay in that mode for long.
- Drawbacks of Imperfect SSM bring a lot of risks as: Turns into slug, melt your body or even blow up with acid which rip your body in pieces... it can be much more reasons.

Considering that Kishi like a lot to keep all sannin on around same level... and Student surprassing master I can clearly believe it is possible for Tsunade to have Imperfect SM or be able to enter it wth help of Katsuyu or Slug Sage.

My conclusion: Tsunade has Perfect Byakugou seal + Imperfect Slug Sage mode while Sakura has only Byakugou seal and now is ready to learn SSM but there is no time in the manga for that.

Epic work OP, really well done
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Thanks and I like the thing i bolded alot i didnt consider that ever, see below V i'll reply to all 3 of you.

Awesome thread.

I don't get why people assume Hashirama's sage mode is the slug sage mode. It has never even been hinted in being that.

Sakura and Tsunade have the same Gen stats.. I believe Slug Sage Mode is what Hashirama has. If it's not Dragon Sage Mode or Toad Sage Mode, what it clearly isn't, according to portrayal, only SSM is left. I think it's also plausible because of his powers. As known he also possesses great medical skills and has regeneration on Tsunade's level with Byakugo. Either this is achieved with his SM or greatly increased. Or, since already being familiar with medical Ninjutsu, the Sage Mode you achieve at Shikkotsurin could be the most valuable one.

Like others have stated before me, I'd be surprised if Hashirama's Sennin Modo didn't originate from the Shikkotsurin. I doubt Kishi would introduce a new type of Sennin Modo out of the blue at this point in the Manga, after having only introduced three places where one could achieve it initially. The theory is interesting, but I can't say I find it to be too believable. Nonetheless, I appreciate the work you put into this.​

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My only problem with that is why would kishi is that we've seen hashi's SM multiple times and theres no hype or hinting of slug sage mode on his part. I want slug sage mode to be introduced just as the others were. It's pretty unfair to be anything else if you think about it.

Not to mention that people involved with the sannin or the sannin themselves for the last two sage modes were used to demonstrate their respective summons sage modes. What a slap i nthe face if kishi can't even make the people we've known for ever use slug sage mode.

Hmm, interesting theory.
But I do hold belief from my own theory that the requirements for SSM are different than FSM and DSM as written in my initial theory.
I think the line will be drawn between Tsunade and Sakura when it comes to possible acquirement in the genjutsu department. As far as I know, Tsunade scores low in genjutsu while Sakura does have high stats. So dunno why but my guess is that SSM will also have something to do with SSM.
Kishi didn't emphasis for nothing that Sakura will become a greater kunoichi than her master, letting us understand that genjutsu would make the difference.

I know chatte, i've read your theory for sure. I know you talked about requirements for their SM being different. However for this thread i just prefered to go by what we know about at the moment and show how i think that could be worked around. (preferred not to rip off your threads blood(i think havent read it in a while), body and mind concept) for the frog snake and slug

I would believe kishi would develop his genjutsu forshadowing for sakura in this way if he could. I even have a pretty good idea of how that could work too the whole hive mind thing for katsuya.

I was mainly thinking about methods they could enter SSM anyhow because if hashirama were to have a link with katsuya, well he didn't have a seal and that's weird. Mito has a seal. Maybe his sage mode is explicitly from the forest or something and Mito is from the slug specifically, maybe theres more than one animal there i dunno. It's all very messed up, because what was the purpose of Mito's seal...

 

[Amaterasuice]

I have two statements to make

IF Hashirama's sage mode is Slug Sage mode, I think Tsunade invented Byakugyou because she and Sakura can't use slug sage mode. Here is why; Perhaps to fully use slug sage mode, you must have mokuton dna. Byakugyou is quite similar to Hashirama's sage mode, so maybe Tsunade pulled an Orochimaru and made a weak version of it?

That theory would describe why none of the sanin mastered Sage mode. Orochimaru made the curse mark, Tsunade made Byakugyou, and Jiraiya was the closest with a very imperfect toad sage mode.

Theory two:
Hashirama's sage mode is the Younger son's sage mode, which makes more sense.

So if there are three sage modes, it could very well be Monkey (Like Hiruzen) or Slugs (LIke Tsunade). But Tsunade couldn't master it, like Orochimaru or Jiraiya. That's where their students come in and surpass them.

Theory 3:
If I went by the "Monkey Sage mode), sense there are three animal sage modes. Maybe Katusyu made Byakugyou to keep up with the snakes, monkeys, and frogs?

 

[Joshutsu]

I have two statements to make

IF Hashirama's sage mode is Slug Sage mode, I think Tsunade invented Byakugyou because she and Sakura can't use slug sage mode. Here is why; Perhaps to fully use slug sage mode, you must have mokuton dna. Byakugyou is quite similar to Hashirama's sage mode, so maybe Tsunade pulled an Orochimaru and made a weak version of it?

That theory would describe why none of the sanin mastered Sage mode. Orochimaru made the curse mark, Tsunade made Byakugyou, and Jiraiya was the closest with a very imperfect toad sage mode.

Theory two:
Hashirama's sage mode is the Younger son's sage mode, which makes more sense.

So if there are three sage modes, it could very well be Monkey (Like Hiruzen) or Slugs (LIke Tsunade). But Tsunade couldn't master it, like Orochimaru or Jiraiya. That's where their students come in and surpass them.

Theory 3:
If I went by the "Monkey Sage mode), sense there are three animal sage modes. Maybe Katusyu made Byakugyou to keep up with the snakes, monkeys, and frogs?

@ your first theory, Tsunade's byakugou could be invented for that. But her healing is on par with hashirama's so. I'm not even sure if the mokuton is exclusive to whatever sage mode hashirama has... since he has used it out of that mode.

Did Mito uzumaki as well make her seal to do this? Remember the seal was passed onto Tsunade by her more than likely. Then again the seal is only a container... Tsunade developed byakugou on her own as far as we know which is just a technique she uses the seal for..

I would only feel slug sage mode is more likely than monkey because of the trio animals talked about throughout the manga. i have no reason to believe shikkotsurin is left out of the group.

I disagree about katsuya making byakugou to keep up with the other animals, she isn't the one who needs it tbh, Tsunade developed those techniques to further her medical ninjutsu. (byakugou creation rebirth)