(Theory) Madara's Plan

[UnrealSoul]

The way I see it is that Madara let hashi stab him.

1. He still had enough chakra to use EMS as we seen he turned it off after the kyubi was taken. He never lost control of the kyubi due to lack of chakra. He fought the senju clan for 24 hours straight before collapsing from being out of chakra. So cut that he was out of chakra ideal out.

2. He boldly stated in previous chapters " I am the only one that can see through his wood clones."

3. With that statement he clearly knew it was a wood clone and allowed hashi to stab him.

Now his moon eye plan was clearly referenced as his dream ( world ). In order to do that Madara realized that he needed powerful senju cells. In this case hashi was the most powerful senju and had the most powerful strand of senju DNA to the point where you can lived for over a hundred years.

He knew he couldnt just merely slash hashi and take his DNA without him knowing. So instead he fought hashi and forced him to use a wood clone in order to have a strong DNA sample/ root. After getting him to use the clone he allowed hashi to "take his back" and stab him. He faked his death and implanted hashi's cells into him. Later discovering he obtain the most powerful eyes in narutoverse...the rinnegan. This is when his plan begins to unfold...



Also he did not use izanagi. Why the hell would he lose an EMS eye?

 

[SilverDuck]

Oh, come on. He didn't allow shit. He got beat. Multiple times, even. That just happened to be their last fight. It's amazing enough that he survived the 1000000 assrape hands technique, but he most certainly lost. There is NOTHING to him by just dissapearing for 100 years after that if he was capable of beating Hashirama. He wasn't. He knew it. So he went into a cave and waited for the opportunities needed. He became a frail, weak old man living off Hashirama's cells. He waited for Obito, then he died. Anybody who really believes that he staged his last fight with Hashirama is probably a very simple minded person.

 

[Everztar]

he doesn't have to lose EMS eye to use Izanagi, he had spare sharingans that he could've implanted somewhere else on his body such as Danzo did.

he told Obito when they first met that the eye he had was just a spare sharingan... where's the other one? probably lost its light when he used Izanagi...

conclusion; he didn't use his own sharingan in order to perform Izanagi.


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but this still doesn't explain why he had to be connected to the Mazou all this time

 

[insanemonkey]

he got the dna when tobirama was trying to make edo tensei and hashiramas cells were there so tobirama could revive him in case he died against madara

 

[chintu234]

madara lost fair and square he was out of chakra in the last panel thats when hashi stabbed him
it was probably some traitor from senju clan or other clan helping to implant senju dna in him fro his survival as well as for his dream
i dont think madara knows how to implant a dna into himself
implanting dna needs medical knowledge

 

[Uchiha Josephus]

Oh, come on. He didn't allow shit. He got beat. Multiple times, even. That just happened to be their last fight. It's amazing enough that he survived the 1000000 assrape hands technique, but he most certainly lost. There is NOTHING to him by just dissapearing for 100 years after that if he was capable of beating Hashirama. He wasn't. He knew it. So he went into a cave and waited for the opportunities needed. He became a frail, weak old man living off Hashirama's cells. He waited for Obito, then he died. Anybody who really believes that he staged his last fight with Hashirama is probably a very simple minded person.

Yep!

Madara only survived because Hashi left that wood clone there, which bailed him out from a complete abject failure.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I like that idea.
And it is plausible since, like you said, Madara did say he was the only one who could see through them. Was that foreshadowing to this chapter? Most likely.
And yes, he probably did let him stab him to obtain the DNA. Although I don't see why he couldn't just steal his shoe or summit :s

 

[6PathsofKami]

he doesn't have to lose EMS eye to use Izanagi, he had spare sharingans that he could've implanted somewhere else on his body such as Danzo did.

he told Obito when they first met that the eye he had was just a spare sharingan... where's the other one? probably lost its light when he used Izanagi...

conclusion; he didn't use his own sharingan in order to perform Izanagi.


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but this still doesn't explain why he had to be connected to the Mazou all this time

He couldnt have performed Izanagi because he hasn't got Hashiramas Senju DNA yet.

 

[htmwall]

he said he can see through these clones with his special eyes,now he's out of chakra,he can't use sharingan,he can't see it anymore.

 

[UnrealSoul]

Oh, come on. He didn't allow shit. He got beat. Multiple times, even. That just happened to be their last fight. It's amazing enough that he survived the 1000000 assrape hands technique, but he most certainly lost. There is NOTHING to him by just dissapearing for 100 years after that if he was capable of beating Hashirama. He wasn't. He knew it. So he went into a cave and waited for the opportunities needed. He became a frail, weak old man living off Hashirama's cells. He waited for Obito, then he died. Anybody who really believes that he staged his last fight with Hashirama is probably a very simple minded person.

Yet a closed minded person would not think out of the box.

You seem like quite the fanboy based on your wording and this statement.

Answer this question:

Why would Madara survive being barely alive and believed to be dead go back out to the public only to re fight Hashi to only lose in his weakend state? When he stated his only goal was to achieve his dream not defeat hashirama.

he doesn't have to lose EMS eye to use Izanagi, he had spare sharingans that he could've implanted somewhere else on his body such as Danzo did.

he told Obito when they first met that the eye he had was just a spare sharingan... where's the other one? probably lost its light when he used Izanagi...

conclusion; he didn't use his own sharingan in order to perform Izanagi.


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but this still doesn't explain why he had to be connected to the Mazou all this time

It was never stated EMS can survive Izanagi and it was never stated he had spare sharnigans at the time. Also it was clearly stated by Madara that he wanted to protect his clan so why would he take another uchihas sharnigan at the time when he had his EMS to fight hashi?

Also why in the hell would I use a damn 3 tomoe sharnigan to fight hashirmama when i need an EMS to fight on equal grounds? Damn dude think...

he got the dna when tobirama was trying to make edo tensei and hashiramas cells were there so tobirama could revive him in case he died against madara

Get out the thread...Never was once stated and that is a crack theory.

madara lost fair and square he was out of chakra in the last panel thats when hashi stabbed him
it was probably some traitor from senju clan or other clan helping to implant senju dna in him fro his survival as well as for his dream
i dont think madara knows how to implant a dna into himself
implanting dna needs medical knowledge

1st bold : If he was out of chakra he would be on his back...not doing a final clash with hashi. Also he has enough to fight the senju clan for 24 hours straight.

2nd bold: Complete crack theory and guess with no support. Please come with some supporting facts.

3rd bold: Who do you think implanted the rinnegan in nagato? and who do you think implanted izunas eyes in madara? I'm pretty sure madara has knowledge in implanting DNA.

 

[Mithril]

1. He still had enough chakra to use EMS as we seen he turned it off after the kyubi was taken. He never lost control of the kyubi due to lack of chakra.

2. He boldly stated in previous chapters " I am the only one that can see through his wood clones."

3. With that statement he clearly knew it was a wood clone and allowed hashi to stab him.

1. no. he lost control over the kyubi because hashirama siply calmed it
he was able to do so if you had forgotten

2. and 3. no sharingan

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im sorry but he got beaten

 

[UnrealSoul]

1. no. he lost control over the kyubi because hashirama siply calmed it
he was able to do so if you had forgotten

If you didnt notice hashi had the kyuubi in the statues hand from where madara jumped off. Then you see the sharnigan disappearing from the kyuubi eyes because Madara had it "taken" from him.

2. and 3. no sharingan

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im sorry but he got beaten

1. If you didnt notice hashi had the kyuubi in the statues hand from where madara jumped off. Then you see the sharnigan disappearing from the kyuubi eyes because Madara had it "taken" from him. Through absorbtion of kyuubi chakra. That is why he cloaked the kyuubi in his susanno in the first place.

2. Clearly the clone was their before the panel and Madara clearly had his sharnigan turned on before the panel. Selling the death as if he didnt know it was a clone.

I'm sorry but clearly your objections have not justified your cause.

 

[davidou]

1:He did use his mangekyo.Hashirama shield is nice before and broken after.We have'nt seen this part of the fight , it would have been boring after what they showed us.

Madara may have fake his death.

 

[UnrealSoul]

I like that idea.
And it is plausible since, like you said, Madara did say he was the only one who could see through them. Was that foreshadowing to this chapter? Most likely.
And yes, he probably did let him stab him to obtain the DNA. Although I don't see why he couldn't just steal his shoe or summit :s

1:He did use his mangekyo.Hashirama shield is nice before and broken after.

Madara may have faked his death.

I thank you both for not being blinded by the hype of the recent chapter and fanboyism.

 

[Founding Fire Shadow]

Madara spent nigh his entire life trying to surpass Hashirama, make no mistake if he could have defeated him; he would have, Madara's chakra was depleted to the point where he could no longer sustain his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan & thus not see through Hashirama's Mokubushin jutsu. I find it more likely that Madara saved what little chakra he had left for Izanagi to survive rather than Madara allowing himself to be defeated, or the alternative & Madara himself has been used by some other shadowy figure.shodaimeicon:

 

[Mithril]

1. If you didnt notice hashi had the kyuubi in the statues hand from where madara jumped off. Then you see the sharnigan disappearing from the kyuubi eyes because Madara had it "taken" from him. Through absorbtion of kyuubi chakra. That is why he cloaked the kyuubi in his susanno in the first place.

2. Clearly the clone was their before the panel and Madara clearly had his sharnigan turned on before the panel. Selling the death as if he didnt know it was a clone.

I'm sorry but clearly your objections have not justified your cause.

yes they did.

1. no madara took it from madara like minato did with obito

2.you dont say there was manga before that panel? haha
madara was there before that panel too you know
and he ran out of enough chakra to keep his sharingan turned on BEFORE that panel too
there was a skip of time between page 8 and 9
in that time they fought to the point of exhaustion resulting in both running low on chakra

 

[UnrealSoul]

yes they did.

1. no madara took it from madara like minato did with obito

2.you dont say there was manga before that panel? haha
madara was there before that panel too you know
and he ran out of enough chakra to keep his sharingan turned on BEFORE that panel too
there was a skip of time between page 8 and 9
in that time they fought to the point of exhaustion resulting in both running low on chakra

2.And yet i can still state the clone was their before the panel and his ems seen it before the panel due to the time skip. Get your wording correct your contradicting your self.

 

[UnrealSoul]

Madara spent nigh his entire life trying to surpass Hashirama, make no mistake if he could have defeated him; he would have, Madara's chakra was depleted to the point where he could no longer sustain his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan & thus not see through Hashirama's Mokubushin jutsu. I find it more likely that Madara saved what little chakra he had left for Izanagi to survive rather than Madara allowing himself to be defeated, or the alternative & Madara himself has been used by some other shadowy figure.shodaimeicon:

What i said to your buddy in the above statement ^

 

[Mithril]

2.And yet i can still state the clone was their before the panel and his ems seen it before the panel due to the time skip. Get your wording correct your contradicting your self.

1. Are you on crack?

2.so you did not get my point? or is it that you cant deal with the fact that you were proven wrong?

1. *hashirama took it from madara sorry
and indeed me being on crack wont help you with your probably wrong theory

give me arguments proving wrong what i said or give up

 

[UnrealSoul]

2.so you did not get my point? or is it that you cant deal with the fact that you were proven wrong?

1. *hashirama took it from madara sorry
and indeed me being on crack wont help you with your probably wrong theory

give me arguments proving wrong what i said or give up

2. You seriously are on crack my friend.


You have not once given me a proper argument to my theory. So far you have been throwing false contradicting assumptions. Please reframe from replying you are by far making your self seem half pass over stupid.


Also I never stated my theory to be correct in the first place but yet I can support it with facts from the manga and assumptions we can make based upon those facts. You on the other hand have the lack of common sense and a open mind to think outside the box rather then what is in it.