Theory: Madara's MS ability might not have been offensive but...

[Sennin of Logic]

All of us wounder what Madara's MS abilities were since that, even with EMS, he's only demonstrated susanoo and no other abilities other than sharingan genjutsu. I think we've been hinted what they were. Unrivaled perception that in some ways, not even the Byakugan can equal.(here me out first) Here's the first part.

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Madara can see through clones. Now some may claim that's because of the advanced prowess of the mangekyo sharingan, but that's not true. Madara specifically said he was the only one, in other words, sharingans in general(and by extension MS since Izuna had one) cannot see through Hashirama's shadow clones. At first I thought it was because it was a wood clone. I thought that the sharingan recognized a wood element in it, enabling Madara to understand it was a clone, but then there's this....

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Yes, I know he's using rinnegan at this point, but it's probably not a coincidence given Madara's previous statement. Now, let me clarify how much of a feat this is. Not even Byakugan can tell the difference between a shadow clone and the original.

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Also, Madara also was able to hit hashirama's pressure points, preventing him from creating more chakra. This also sounds like a byakugan feat.

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Yes, I know that he has rinnegan on, but that doesn't change the fact that it may have been associated with his MS as well.


Conclusion: Madara's MS power was the ability to see through any ninjutsu. This would enable him to potentially see the weakness to any ninjutsu. Tell me what you think.

 

[Joker]

I like the idea, but then he should have one more ability correct? You need TWO MS abilities to unlock Susano'o, so I think you could've speculated on his second one, but overall nice.

 

[~Sky~]

I always figured his MS ability would be an extremely taxing ability, something that could only be used once in a long while. Like Shisui's KA, but a different type of jutsu.

Your theory's good, as it's really the only thing we have to go off at this point, I'd say it's the best you could come up with.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Hmm....that's some MS tech. Could be....but I feel Kishi doesn't care to explain what his tech was. Good idea you have though....sometimes I feel Kishi won't even remember to explain how Madara survived his vote battle. Maybe this mystery man will illuminate things.....

 

[Joker]

I always figured his MS ability would be an extremely taxing ability, something that could only be used once in a long while. Like Shisui's KA, but a different type of jutsu instead.

Your theorie's good, as it's really the only thing we have to go off at this point, I'd say it's the best you could come up with.

Yeah, I like the idea of all MS techniques not being offensive, it's like Shisui, his is more supplementary than anything else, props to the OP.

 

[itachi4real]

Madara was the only one to see through hashis clones cus of his ems. Sasuke can see through clones also cus he has ems.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I like the idea, but then he should have one more ability correct? You need TWO MS abilities to unlock Susano'o, so I think you could've speculated on his second one, but overall nice.

Well, that's be a shot in the dark. Then again, he has sharingan genjutsu, so that may be the second power. Or it could simply be that both he and Izuna each had one power, but when Madara got EMS, he fused them into susanoo. It would explain why he started off with an incomplete susanoo, instead of a complete, or final susanoo.

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Madara was the only one to see through hashis clones cus of his ems. Sasuke can see through clones also cus he has ems.

Madara never said it was EMS. That, and there was only one battle he had against Hashirama with EMS before VOTE, so it's less likely to be an EMS ability than a MS ability. That and it at least seems to me that he implied he did it often.

 

[Exaar]

I think madara's ability to see through hashirama's wood clones is simply a combination of the sharingan's perception and the fact he has fought hashirama so many times he is able to notice even the most subtle differences.

The reason it's limited to Madara only (for the moment) it because madara was the only person to ever be able to fight hashirama, No one else came close thus no one else had the experience with hashirama's wood clones that madara gained over the years.

 

[Joker]

Well, that's be a shot in the dark. Then again, he has sharingan genjutsu, so that may be the second power. Or it could simply be that both he and Izuna each had one power, but when Madara got EMS, he fused them into susanoo. It would explain why he started off with an incomplete susanoo, instead of a complete, or final susanoo.

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Well I suppose that both eyes are supposed to carry one jutsu..? It's hard to say, Kishimoto needs to elaborate on a lot of things anyways.

 

[Wparker6804]

Hitting the pressure points was with the rods. Even without the Byakugan people can study human anatomy (wich Madara clearly has) to see the major pressure points of human muscle, bone, tissue, nerves and chakra network. The basi layout of all of them are more or less the same for humans.
The Byakugan can see the chakra network clear as day, but people can still look at charts and diagrams to see how the chakra network is layed out.

His perception on Hashirama's clones? Hashirama's clones were EXTREEMELY powerful and accurate. Madara's profound skill with his Sharingan allows more acute sight and detection of chakra than others--he's the GOD OF ALL UCHIHA. It's like Sasuke's sight of Naruto's clones at the end of Part 1, but on a much higher level.

Madara's ability of sight and detection is from a high-level Sharingan. If he has a unique ability (wich I'm sure he does), I doubt it's something as small and simple as accute sight with a Sharingan that powerful.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Hitting the pressure points was with the rods. Even without the Byakugan people can study human anatomy (wich Madara clearly has) to see the major pressure points of human muscle, bone, tissue, nerves and chakra network. The basi layout of all of them are more or less the same for humans.
The Byakugan can see the chakra network clear as day, but people can still look at charts and diagrams to see how the chakra network is layed out.

His perception on Hashirama's clones? Hashirama's clones were EXTREEMELY powerful and accurate. Madara's profound skill with his Sharingan allows more acute sight and detection of chakra than others--he's the GOD OF ALL UCHIHA. It's like Sasuke's sight of Naruto's clones at the end of Part 1, but on a much higher level.

Madara's ability of sight and detection is from a high-level Sharingan. If he has a unique ability (wich I'm sure he does), I doubt it's something as small and simple as accute sight with a Sharingan that powerful.

Kakashi implied that it's near impossible to hit them even if you know where they are.

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[Wparker6804]

Kakashi implied that it's near impossible to hit them even if you know where they are.

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I'm sure a dozen rods 2'' in diamaterstabbed all over your back would hit pressure points.

Cool sig, though

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

The Mangekyo was stated to be the greatest of all doujutsu, capable of seeing all things in the universe without obstruction in the databook. Madara is likely referring to the Eternal Mangekyo, a power only he held, as well as his Uchiha blood.

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Viz

Tobi: "Sasuke is Uchiha... and possesses the Mangekyo Sharingan. His skills of observation are still greater than yours, Danzo."

Tobi is stating here that Uchiha with the Mangekyo Sharingan have greater skills of observation, as Madara had his Mangekyo bolstered by his brothers Ocular power, seeing through bunshin was likely rudimentary.

The Byakugan's prowess is nothing by comparison, it's not as good at reading jutsu as the 3 tomoe, as it lacks the predictability and understanding of a jutsu as well as copying jutsu that the Sharingan allows, it's not particularly note worthy. The Byakugan supplies a greater range of knowledge to the user, yes, but it does not examine the knowledge available as well as the Sharingan.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I'm sure a dozen rods 2'' in diamaterstabbed all over your back would hit pressure points.

Cool sig, though

I still think it require precision, but we'll end up in circles if this continues. Thanks, I made this sig.

The Mangekyo was stated to be the greatest of all doujutsu, capable of seeing all things in the universe without obstruction in the databook. Madara is likely referring to the Eternal Mangekyo, a power only he held, as well as his Uchiha blood.

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Viz

Tobi: "Sasuke is Uchiha... and possesses the Mangekyo Sharingan. His skills of observation are still greater than yours, Danzo."

Tobi is stating here that Uchiha with the Mangekyo Sharingan have greater skills of observation, as Madara had his Mangekyo bolstered by his brothers Ocular power, seeing through bunshin was likely rudimentary.

The Byakugan's prowess is nothing by comparison, it's not as good at reading jutsu as the 3 tomoe, as it lacks the predictability and understanding of a jutsu as well as copying jutsu that the Sharingan allows, it's not particularly note worthy. The Byakugan supplies a greater range of knowledge to the user, yes, but it does not examine the knowledge available as well as the Sharingan.

Maybe, maybe not. Madara did confirm that some sharingans have different observation abilities.

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How the sharingan perceives something depends greatly on the shape. It might be that strait is best for body and Madara's circular is best for ninjutsu.

 

[The Robot With Human Hair]

Maybe, maybe not. Madara did confirm that some sharingans have different observation abilities.

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How the sharingan perceives something depends greatly on the shape. It might be that strait is best for body and Madara's circular is best for ninjutsu.

That statement from Madara is difficult to interpret. Needs further elaboration. He could be saying that the straight tomoe is the strongest. Which, with Orochimaru's statements on Sasuke's potential, is assuredly possible.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I may agree with general idea of defensive or passive MS abilities of madara but i dont find clones and pressure points linked to it.

A sharingan has zoom ability up to nano scales as both sasuke and obito displayed which is far smaller then pressure points.
One can destroy pressure point with rod by hitting in general area as well.

As far as clones go i think it up to visual prowess, sasuke was able to see kurama inside naruto, something that initially he couldnt do.
This very same kurama could be a link for discriminating naruto among clones.
I think itachi had no problem finding naruto among clones in forest, cant be mere luck.

 

[VongolaX]

I always thought it was the thing he used to create black zetsu.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I always thought it was the thing he used to create black zetsu.

That's yin-yang release.

 

[Xāvî1]

You mean PS is not offensive?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

You mean PS is not offensive?

PS is not an MS ability. Also, it's possible Madara didn't have susanoo until EMS. Didn't I go over this crap in the OP?