Invsblphntm
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Yeah, I extrapolated just about everything considering he only talks about a little of what I'm talking about. Sure he may have a similar theory, but he doesn't go into half the depth I went into.
Theory: Madara and Orochimaru know each other.
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if madara really knew orochimaru why would tobi be shocked of orchimaru knowing so much of his plans and why orochimaru also knew how to control the nine tails.
if orochimaru knew madara then tobi shouldn't be shocked of orochimaru knowledge if tobi knows everything of madara.
if orochimaru knew madara then tobi shouldn't be shocked of orochimaru knowledge if tobi knows everything of madara.
Invsblphntm
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Panzerchrist
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Tobi must be in on it. Couse why would he make a new mask which has Orochimarus cursed seal mark on it? either tobi is straight of oro but it would be to lame for this epic story. or oro control tobi in one way or another.
kinghadouken
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Bah Kabuto was stupid enough not to erase/rewrite Madara's personality as early as possible. Orochimaru was already alive when Nagato was known by Madara (and their world is so damn small that they'd bump to each other one way or the other.
There also strong evidence of connection between orchimaru and tobi. If you look at Tobi slimy arm that comes off, could be material orchimaru put in tobi if he was orchimaru experiment. Tobi is not aware of it probably because he doesn't know his origin or how he came to be. Also, Probably has orchimaru's curse mark on him too.
Whitedemon
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nice theory, that could also be the reason Sasuke wanted to speak to orochimaru, when he heard that the Madara is still outthere and when he read the scroll. :noc:
We know that Sasuke wants to restore his clan and I have a feeling that he planned to go on "Madara" side and after then to betray him. That could be the reason he wanted to speak to Oro
We know that Sasuke wants to restore his clan and I have a feeling that he planned to go on "Madara" side and after then to betray him. That could be the reason he wanted to speak to Oro
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AttentionHo
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IF Oro knew Madara, why did he chase after Itachis sharingan?
IF Oro knew Madara, why didnt he take Madaras rinnegan?
IF Oro knew Madara, he must have been very young, because this implies that he knew him before Nagato was born.
IF Oro knew Madara, why did he leave Akatsuki?
IF Oro knew Madara, why is Madaras body that young? He must have been at least 30 to 40 years older than he was in his fight vs Hashi, because Hiruzen must have been at least this age when he finished training Jiraya and co and they becoming sennin.
IF Oro knew Madara, why didnt he take Madaras rinnegan?
IF Oro knew Madara, he must have been very young, because this implies that he knew him before Nagato was born.
IF Oro knew Madara, why did he leave Akatsuki?
IF Oro knew Madara, why is Madaras body that young? He must have been at least 30 to 40 years older than he was in his fight vs Hashi, because Hiruzen must have been at least this age when he finished training Jiraya and co and they becoming sennin.
Fear My eyes
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probably bargained with madara , in exchange for knowledge on hiruzens work / edo tensei, madara had to take on a cursed seal for orochimaru's own purposes. Im sure we'll soon see about madara's / orochimaru's connection right as madara is about to kill / harm naruto. Quite predictable.
Invsblphntm
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One doesn't simply take Madara's eyes :sy:
Oro was at least in his 20's maybe 30's when Nagato was around 9, it's not impossible at all.
Madara likely had nothing to do with Akatsuki, Tobi did.
I have no idea on that last question, if Madara knew Nagato, like he does, he should be much older.
The Hidden Shinobi
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I really doubt oro has any relation to madara because of the age and events of when things happened and also oro's goals and what madara's goals seem to be. Nothing seems to match
The ProphecY
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Nice theory & +rep for the effort. However I inclined to disagree for the following reasons:
1.)Kabuto believed that IWR was the greatest jutsu ever created in NU. He considered the jutsu "almost perfect" as if it's free from any weaknesses or risks even with the caster. Thus, he was so confident that he will gain control of the war & no one can stop him from succeeding so. This is one of the reasons why he kept praising Itachi & stated that he was on a different level as compared to the others because he broke out from his Edo-tensei. My point here is, Kabuto wasn't aware or didn't actually know that even Uchiha Madara can free himself from the said jutsu.
2.)Madara may or may not know Orochimaru. But regardless, what will he benefit from him? Madara clarified that he created his power. Therefore, he awakened the rinnegan, & implanted Hashirama’s cell within him all by himself. Possible reasons why he knew the seal was because he must’ve seen it performed, & perhaps this is the reason why he knew the very purpose of that jutsu. Needless to say, he possess sharingan, thus, he can copy non-kg jutsu anytime he spot one.
3.)In my honest opinion, the reason why Sasuke assumed Orochimaru is still alive is because Edo-Madara stayed. As Jugo stated, even though Itachi & Sasuke stopped Kabuto’s Edo-tensei, Edo-Madara is still around. Sasuke was shocked & said, so, he is still around. It seems he was talking about Orochimaru this time. Then he had a background memory of Itachi & Shisui with lines of protecting the village & the Uchiha names or whatsoever. At any rate, I think that the very reason why Sasuke needed to meet up with Orochimaru or concluded that he was still alive was because he thought Orochimaru was the one who revived Uchiha Madara. This will be his own assumption as to why Edo-Madara did not vanished as compared to his brother. Sasuke wouldn’t know that Madara knew the seal or he could break through the Edo-tensei jutsu. Thus, he’ll be going for Orochimaru to certainly stop Edo-Madara for the sake of Itachi & Shisui’s name.
4.)Lastly, when Kabuto answered Madara that he is “his assistant”, I’m pretty sure he was referring to Tobi & not to Orochimaru. Madara asked him if he knew about their plan, (the Infinite Tsukoyomi) then Kabuto replied, not in detailed. He eventually said that he’ll be on Madara’s side than be on the fake Madara. The Moon’s Eye Plan were the ultimate goal of both Tobi & Madara, it’s still unknown if Orochimaru had the knowledge on the said ambitions of the two.
Edit: I somehow agree with your assumption that Madara has Orochimaru’s cursed mark on his neck. It is highly probable & seems more entertaining if eventually he took over Madara’s body.
1.)Kabuto believed that IWR was the greatest jutsu ever created in NU. He considered the jutsu "almost perfect" as if it's free from any weaknesses or risks even with the caster. Thus, he was so confident that he will gain control of the war & no one can stop him from succeeding so. This is one of the reasons why he kept praising Itachi & stated that he was on a different level as compared to the others because he broke out from his Edo-tensei. My point here is, Kabuto wasn't aware or didn't actually know that even Uchiha Madara can free himself from the said jutsu.
2.)Madara may or may not know Orochimaru. But regardless, what will he benefit from him? Madara clarified that he created his power. Therefore, he awakened the rinnegan, & implanted Hashirama’s cell within him all by himself. Possible reasons why he knew the seal was because he must’ve seen it performed, & perhaps this is the reason why he knew the very purpose of that jutsu. Needless to say, he possess sharingan, thus, he can copy non-kg jutsu anytime he spot one.
3.)In my honest opinion, the reason why Sasuke assumed Orochimaru is still alive is because Edo-Madara stayed. As Jugo stated, even though Itachi & Sasuke stopped Kabuto’s Edo-tensei, Edo-Madara is still around. Sasuke was shocked & said, so, he is still around. It seems he was talking about Orochimaru this time. Then he had a background memory of Itachi & Shisui with lines of protecting the village & the Uchiha names or whatsoever. At any rate, I think that the very reason why Sasuke needed to meet up with Orochimaru or concluded that he was still alive was because he thought Orochimaru was the one who revived Uchiha Madara. This will be his own assumption as to why Edo-Madara did not vanished as compared to his brother. Sasuke wouldn’t know that Madara knew the seal or he could break through the Edo-tensei jutsu. Thus, he’ll be going for Orochimaru to certainly stop Edo-Madara for the sake of Itachi & Shisui’s name.
4.)Lastly, when Kabuto answered Madara that he is “his assistant”, I’m pretty sure he was referring to Tobi & not to Orochimaru. Madara asked him if he knew about their plan, (the Infinite Tsukoyomi) then Kabuto replied, not in detailed. He eventually said that he’ll be on Madara’s side than be on the fake Madara. The Moon’s Eye Plan were the ultimate goal of both Tobi & Madara, it’s still unknown if Orochimaru had the knowledge on the said ambitions of the two.
Edit: I somehow agree with your assumption that Madara has Orochimaru’s cursed mark on his neck. It is highly probable & seems more entertaining if eventually he took over Madara’s body.
