Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

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It's a good effort, but I think you're looking too hard at something that isn't important. I also think you ascribe too much significance to the genius of kishi, and the symbolism he uses. This manga has been running for several years, and Kishi has been drawing influence from certain limited sources: other manga, Shinto mythology and Buddhist mythology. These limited sources are the reasons why people were able to predict that he would introduce a technique named "Izanami" after he introduced Izanagi with Danzo and Tobi. It's also the reason why people were predicting Hashirama would use that 1000-hands jutsu against Madara, because of the name "Senju" and other Buddhist imagery.

The fact that Kishi has used and reused symbols, especially between early manga chapters, pre-production artwork and the later chapters is not surprising. There's a limited amount of historical symbolism that he can use, and the manga is filled with symbols (1 symbol for each county, one for each village, one for each clan, fuinjutsu seal images, regalia from the Rikudo sennin, MS eye patterns, etc). Of course Sakura in the pre-production artwork was associated with symbols that Kishi later used for other purposes. Kishi has used many symbols, and some he used early and others he saved till later.

That said, Sakura always was the odd one out. She was the third person, a romantic foil, in the group of Sasuke (last child of a cursed clan) and Naruto ("destined child" host of the 9-tailed fox). Sakura always was the "normal" one in the group, and served as a point of reference for some of the more important reveals and plot turns in the story. In the early chapters, when Naruto or Sasuke needed a powerup, Kishi always put Sakura in danger and the stress forced Naruto and/or Sasuke to rise to the challenge. Later, when Naruto needed to make a promise to bring Sasuke home, he had to make that promise to Sakura. Later still, when Naruto needed to rush to the bridge where Sasuke fought Danzo, he rushed because he had to save Sakura again.

Sakura is important to the story not because she's inherently special, but because she's a "normal" person in a complex relationship triangle with two non-normal, super-powerful ninja: Sasuke and Naruto. Later in the manga, if Sasuke becomes good and joins a team with naruto, it will be in large part because of Sakura. If Sasuke ever gets redeemed and is able to live a normal, peaceful life, it will be because of Sakura. Otherwise, she really serves no purpose in the manga going forward. She's not a romantic target for Naruto anymore (Hinata does that, now), and she doesn't have the kinds of super powers that Naruto and Sasuke and the other front-line fighters need.

So yes, this was a fun analysis, but you're looking in the wrong place. Sakura isn't special, her purpose is to be a point of reference for the people in her team (Sasuke and Naruto) who are special and who are diametrically opposed.
And I thought everybody in real life is special.:NO:

Actually Sakura is indeed normal. It's normal that she's smart enough to control her own chakra without needing the source of other things like the curse mark or a beast. She does it on her own. And I agree that Sakura does things that normal characters do. But up to a point where it's almost the end of the story, you want to do something that will make the reader remember that character for something. So why not just let Sakura be linked to Hashirama? Right as Kishi is still giving up information about Hashi's background, there could be more links. And imagine too many links enough it does confuse you a bit. But all those links lead up to something. I mean really how is explaining the past gonna answer Sasuke's question unless it's "what's a village?" one. So in the meantime there will be "links".

I don't know but normal or not you are confused with it. Sakura is normal and that's why you think this. But look at her! She has pink hair and a big forehead. And that's what you're missing. You don't know what this giant forehead pink headed girl can do. You're underestimating her by thinking that just because she's normal and all these symbolisms mean nothing at all. It's what there. I believe there's room enough for Sakura instead of just serving a purpose as the reason why Sasuke comes back. She wasn't smart just for intellect. And the fact that Sakura is normal, it attacks Naruto and Sasuke imperfections. So it would be good if she was on par with them because the whole lesson on to be the strongest means that you need to suffer,lose, and fall from everything, then climb back up again. If it was the whole story is ridiculous and repulsive. So making Sakura even up to Naruto and Sasuke at this point would be a good save.

So why hasn't Sakura showed up the last when everybody got a power up? We all know she had to do something. But where is she needed. Why just her and Sai? Because there's ONLY something she can do. So what if when Sasuke and everyone else who is with him currently in the manga, sees her. If this happens man then it will reveal an interaction. This interaction would give us the answer: Is Sakura really normal or linked to Hashirama?
 

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I would like to also point out (if it hasn't been already), during the fight with Sasori, when she got pierced with the blade, she started to HEAL herself without hand signs. Sasori commented on how gifted she was by doing that. The only reason she lost control was because of the poison. Now, what I'm leading to is that Madara berated Tsunade harshly saying that wasn't at Hashirama's level and needed hand signs to heal (Tsunade later in the chapter agreed she couldn't use healing techniques without forming hand seals). Sakura was healing herself WITHOUT hand seals when Sasori stabbed her. Madara said Hashirama could heal himself without needing hand seals. Just something else to think about. :)
 
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oh wow i forgot about sakura healing herself without hand signs, good catch! i really hope this symbolism and foreshadowing isnt him just trolling with us....i hope her purpose is more important than to serve as sasuke's possible gf or strictly to jsut bring him back somehow...ill be kinda pissed depending on how he writes it....
 

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the only thing i see in the near future for sakura is more healing and more drama with sasuke
 

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I like your theory and I really hope that can be true. I also noticed something weird - is that all the teenagers shinnobis like Naruto, Sasuke, Ino, Hinata, Chouji, Neji, Shikamaru,... are very similar to their parents. But in the case of Sakura, she is not similiar with either of them. I thought that they aren't her real parents. I don't know if it means anything or not! But, anyway, a very very good job. I like Sakura and I believe on her a lot!
 

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I don't know, I just don't think it is in the cards for Sakura to gain some powerup. She has never done anything exceptional, and I highly doubt after 600 something chapters that Kishi is going to make her start now. Yes she became a Medical Shinobi, but that is mostly because she couldn't do anything else. That is all she is good for. As someone stated above, she is the normal character, nothing special about her.
 

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Well, if the reason that Sakura's gone is because Tsunade might have possibly summoned her somehow, it's definitely something important enough to take her away from whatever it is she could be doing. Tsunade might need her help. Or Tsunade might have to share something really critically important. Either it's some kind of Will she needs to pass on or maybe they found out something about Madara during their fight with him that might be useful that she can't deliver herself.

I doubted Sai would have come along because he was seen after Sakura's last appearance helping Killer Bee, but she could have left after he was done. Tsunade can't be that far away, because where Madara is now was his next stop right after fighting with the kages and he doesn't have any teleportation that I know of. If it's close enough to run to then Sakura should be there shortly, especially with Sai's help.

I'm really glad the flashback is finally over.
 
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well i thought sakura will never get the feats she deserves , but seeing this i can hope .............................
 

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even if she learns senpou, she wont be good at it like hashi or naruto, and most probably worse than Jman because she has less chakra.
 
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Makes sense, perfect theory.
I would say its more than reasonable, we'll find out what the relationship is between them once they arrive at the battlefront.
 

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Makes sense, perfect theory.
I would say its more than reasonable, we'll find out what the relationship is between them once they arrive at the battlefront.

I am sure these things will be, IF they will happened, shown in the manga. :)
Thanks! ^_^

even if she learns senpou, she wont be good at it like hashi or naruto, and most probably worse than Jman because she has less chakra.

We will see if it'll be like that. Less chakra is resolved pretty simple with the Yin Seal which is a bypassing of the 'not enough chakra' rule. Call it a container storage. :)

Planning on responding to older posts soon. Sorry, been busy lately. ^_^
No PC for two weeks ... heheh ^^'
 

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Love the new avy Chatte
 

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Hi Chatte long time no see.... =D =D

And coming On Topic.... I read somewhere that Kishi sama said in an interview something like there will be development of God's Seat in 2013 and God's seat in japanese is synonyms with Sakura.... =D =D
 

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Excellent Theory

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This is the way Kishi always do.
 

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The only role hinata is stepping up into because of nejis death would probably be taking on more leadership roles for her clan, sorry thats all i can see with her there is just not reason for Sakura to not surpass her teacher her parents arent even ninja if i remember correctly

Also i never stated i believe the relation part of this thread.

Her father is a genin.
 

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Her father is a genin.

Even if, She has still passed his level so it still isnt something to say why she won't surpass Tsunade, we've only seen her parents in a filler and a movie anyways :x
 

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Naruto has surpassed J-Man, Sasuke has surpassed Oro, and Sakura will surpase Tsunade. That's just the way it is.
 

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Great theory, We probably will see some character development regardless though if you are right or not. But Kishimoto does like to make parallels a lot and you did a great job drawing these parallels together.
 

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Maybe her mother is related to a clan.

Nah, I don't think so. It will probably be that scenario with the old teaching from part 1. Surpassing the genius, though you're not from a big clan, so to say, or not from a clan at all. Look at Rock Lee. Having those powerful gates and being able to do it without any ancestry to back him up. Same case could be with Sakura. :)

If you remember, Naruto had no one we knew that were related to him. But when we get into Part 2 we learn more of it. And besides before it was revealed that the Fourth Hokage Naruto's dad was Minato, we could see that they looked a lot alike. They knew Tsunade was Hashi's granddaughter because Hashi was ALIVE back then. They had to keep Minato's surname so people wouldn't know Naruto was his son.
If this war was about Jinchuurikis and *cough* *cough* Hokages, then why are Senjus and Uchihas so important? Anyway as I said before about the relative thing, the reason why it hasn't been given to us that Sakura could be related to Hashi is probably because we didn't know anything about Hashi yet.
Examples:
-When Obito turned out to be the guy behind the mask, there were a lot of hints that gave it away that it was him. Like his hair. The fact that the left side of his face was scarred.
-Some characters with red hair were known to be Uzumakis. This was revealed not a very long time ago.

All these character symbolisms turned out to be true. So it is likely to happen that Sakura is to be related to Hashi.

Exactly. Hints here and there were scattered all over the place. Why couldn't this be the case as well? Would probably fit the trio of the big 3: Uchihas, Uzumaki and Sejus => Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura. :)


pft... whatever i guess no one cares about what will happen when sasusaku have babies except me and other believers. I won't stop denying it though! U_U:shy:

Well, I have to admit, SasuSaku is the only ship I don't care about it anymore, though it will have a resolution and I am sure, but you feel free to ship whatever, whoever you want of course! ^_^


And guess what I found on google images:
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Same symbol :flowers:
Now here's my theory if Sakura were somehow related to Hashi
Okay I doubt she's anything like a granddaughter to Hashi cause we all know she really isn't. I might be over exaggerating a little but what if Sakura was relatively related to Tobirama? And here's why I think that.

  • [*Tobirama has white hair]

-This might seem silly but it actually is something connected to what I am saying. What I'm saying is: Sakura's family has a variety of different hair colors and styles. In real life, it is possible for cherry blossoms to have different colors like white, pink, yellow, green, and more! But the color could later change. White could become pink. While hot pink could become pale pink. Just like Sakura's father who had hot pink hair.
Plus! Among Hashi,Tobirama, and Itama they both had different colored hair and styles. So it could be a similar trait to the Haruno.
  • [*][Tobirama's Facial Markings]

Now look back at the picture from before. Do you see the lines sticking out? Doesn't Tobirama have something like that too?
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Here's another picture of Sakura's symbol in the middle of flowers
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(Just use this one for now.)
The symbols in the middle are of course different from Sakura's but look at the shape. If you put it upside down it would shape Tobirama's head. The lines would be on the inside but that doesn't mean the lines aren't there.
That's all I have for that but I think this makes sense. As much as we know of Tobirama, we aren't sure if he actually had a wife. But if this is correct,
  • [*]a).[Hashi's and Tobirama's mother could have been a Haruno. That's why the children had different color hair(Tobirama's looks could have come from HER side of the family.)]
    [*]b).[Tobirama's wife could have been a Haruno]
    [*]c).[Or both].
The reason why now Sakura isn't called a Senju might be the same as why Naruto wasn't called a Namikaze. Because maybe no one wanted the child to be known as a relative of the Hokage. As I said above, the reason why it is only mention that Tsunade is Hashi's granddaughter because he was alive when she was born. And Tobirama wasn't probably alive by the time his supposed wife had his child. Same goes for Minato.
Hoped this was interesting to you Chatte :).
I forgot about the foreshadowing stuff. But oh well.

Well, to be honest, I don't see that happening. I actually read another theory long ago about Tobirama and facial markings having connection with something else. Can't remember exactly but meh. Anyway, that would be interesting so to say, but given Kishi's literary story-telling, I don't see it happening. ^^
But it was a nice read! :D

Well, that escalated quickly... They share some traits and a symbol, so she's getting a power up? No, I've never seen Kishi do this type of foreshadowing and it wouldn't make any sense. Hashirama's recent development has nothing to do with Sakura. -_-

Well, if you'd never seen it, I guess all the foreshadowing made for other characters meant nothing. Well, to each his own. Not saying this might end-up true, however, there is a link to it. And I didn't say everything about Hashirama has to do with Sakura, only some traits and backed-up mythology and his story-telling style. :)

But but, it's so funny to watch them try to connect the invisible dots that aren't even there.

What can I say, glad to be able to entertain you. ;)

Man, I am consistently amazed by these observations you're making. It's crazy that you're noticing this stuff. This is a great theory!

Glad you enjoyed it! ^_^

I don;t think Sakura has what it takes to be "that" guy

Fair enough! To each his own. :)

Excellent theory. I hope to see some Sakura development in the near future. She's a good character in the story imo. :D

Glad you enjoyed it! And I am sure that we will see a development. Definitely! And, yes, she's a good character if you take your time and analyze the story-structure and many other details like these. :)

The official artwork of 616
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Sakura holding a wooden-leaf/mokuton halberd

Actually, that's a Naginata. A female-samurai warrior weapon :)
However, who knows. :p It's clearly that's forget out of wood, lol. :p

Most probably a mortgage :D

To build a wood house? :O :D

very interesting, I honestly never noticed!

Thank you, glad you noticed! ^^ And that now you're finding it interesting. :p
At least if it doesn't happen, hope it was an enjoyable reading, hehe.

Sakura sucked balls initially but she grew on me after the fight with puppet dude. The theory is credible... bordering In-credible

In the anime, maybe, but never in the manga. Only in chapter 3. But she grew out of it, like you said. It's part of her character development. And yeah, the Sasori fight was incredible! Glad you enjoyed the theory! :hug:

Very, very good theory. Always nice to see these kinds of theories :3
Sakura hasn't gotten much progress in part 2 either. To those doubting the theory, may I remind you how
thoroughly Kishimoto plans his writings? Obito has been Tobi and has always planned to have been him.
Regardless of how upset some people may be over that fact, anyone remember the second page of chapter 16?

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Kishi has made many subtle references to this as well, so I say why not?
Is there really such a small possibility that Sakura has some hidden ability?
She has to have been important in that way to have been trained by Tsunade, after all.
Maybe Tsunade knew this about her, and so she took her as a student? Maybe. You never know.

First of all, thanks, glad you like it! ^_^
Second of all:exactly! Kishi thinks and plans his details so good ahead it makes me wonder how people don't see it. Besides that opening page you showed, remember how everyone on the base making theories about who Obito is and they showed the similar drawing style with Naruto breaking Haku's and yelling "Who are you?" in that 3 triangle shaped formed drawing, the same that happened with Haku and everyone was like "see this looks like this, it definitely must be Obito because of this this and that" and everyone was agreeing or almost everyone, but now that it comes to Sakura everyone denies it. Meh...
As well as details, Kishi is sooo careful with details. Example Karin meeting Sasuke. Scene brought to us in the middle of Part 2, in the Danzo fight and he sacrifices Karin.

Remember when Sasuke leaves Naruto and Sakura alone and goes to get some water?

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Well, years after, he finally told us what happened with Sasuke in that period of time.

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But look at one detail: he has this water cup with him. This shows how much Kishi puts emphasis on details. And the length between chapters is sooo huge. Early part one, middle part two. Hundreds of chapters distance. Why wouldn't it be like this now?
And I am sure that she didn't have any connection of blood or any sorts like that, it's just that she'll get to those levels with being the way she is. After all she was trained by a direct descendants of Senju Hashirama.
And in medical terms, Tsunade has already surpassed Hashirama. Sakura is supposed to surpass Tsunade. The rest is simple: do the math! Generally speaking. ^^
Anyway, glad you enjoyed the theory. ^_^

We all know why the 3rd put Sasuke and Naruto on the same team...One would only believe that Sakura's membership is very meaningful as well... In the beginning we thought the Uzamaki blood was singular but we now know of Nagato and Karin. It's no coincidence that team Kakashi was the all 3 of the Legenary Sannin. Sakura will excel in strength because she is trained by Tsunade but she could never surpass the 1st' Granddaughter unless she perhaps in some way is Senju or some distant bloodline to Senju as the Senju is to the Uzamaki!

*all 3 members of team Kakashi received tutelage from the 3 Sannin of Konoha.

Exactly. And Sakura isn't put there just for the sake of it. She had a relevance in the team. She was the brains of the team like many have praised her to be and she has shown this.
And as I said, not blood-related, just getting there with hard work, talent and dedication. :) Which she has. :p

It's amazing how well this is made, and how much time you've spent making this. And I think there is a small possibility you're right, but I just don't see it happening.

Also there is way easier to find relations when you're looking for them, even though they're not there. You've just found a small amount of similarities/links over the ENTIRE naruto storyline.

But then again, it might be :)

credz for your work!

First of all, thanks.
And second, well, of course over the entire the entire storyline. I just have two examples up there showing how much Kishi is paying attention to the details all over the storyline and how he connects them. :p
Obito case, Karin and Sasuke and the examples would be numerous. :)

Ah you've mention Naruto and Minato's relationship, if you read the Manga from the first page you'll have a clue already or the story/plot obviously is suggesting something about the 4th Hokage. Naruto is main character so it is important to focus, hide, and build his character, it should be interesting at the same time intriguing... That's why you read Naruto right it is exciting. Tobi on the other hand is the main antagonist before the real Madara showed up, it is necessary for him to hide his identity because he is impersonating somebody else. It has something to do with the MAIN STORY itself. Their character is the channel of the "main" story. Others character development is for information purposes, in order for the reader to have a clearer picture of their personality and background. Just like what we're having right now. I hope you're getting what I am saying here.

Well, funny thing about the bolded is that if we go by this concept, you're playing double standards here. Sakura is a main character as well, so is also important to focus hide and build her character.
She had focus a lot in Part 1, Part 2 as well, she basically is 'hidden' considering certain events and her character is being built, along the manga.
Tell me if it wouldn't be intriguing if this will come to have some potential truth in it, something similar to what I am saying here will come to pass. Everyone will be intrigued and will be like? What the?... Though dots are here and here and I've showed people those dots. It's just that people don't see it or don't want to see it or even if they do they don't want to accept it.
As for the next part, you wanna tell me that Sakura isn't tied to the main story? Well, sorry, but you've missed one of the cast crew here. Obito is tied to the main story cause he was Kakashi's team-mate which happens to be part from Team 7, the main cast as I was saying. So what makes you think that Sakura won't have the same treatment given she's also part of team 7? She is tied to the main story more than you even think about it.
The concept of the 'newer generation surpassing the old one' has first been introduced early in Zabuza and Haku arc where both Sakura and Naruto were showed that they want to become great shinobis in their own way. Granted, more prominent was Naruto since he is the hero. Sasuke was left in a gray area, not saying anything about it because, as we see throughout the story, he is gray. Doesn't serve a greater good or anything. He is just for himself. Even though he's from the new generation he sometimes acts like the ways of the old one. Therefore leaving Sasuke the balance between shinobi ways from the past and shinobi ways from present. Why do you think that he was the one now going through all these questions, all his quest and everything, his meeting with the kages and all? It's a basic thing that if you had read the manga would have understood everything and connected everything.
As for Kakashi, he is from that older generation witnessing the change in the newer generation, hence, Naruto asking Kakashi back then if this is what it means to be a ninja and if it's like that, he'll be a ninja in his own way. Therefore we have the expression "That's my ninja way". Kakashi is the witness which observes all these changes, that has lived that life and is living these new changes as well. About the previous life, remember Kakashi saying at Rin's grave "IF only we were born later"? Well, voila, there you have it. All these dots connect themselves.
Kakashi is the witness, Naruto is the initiator if the change, Sakura is the shinobi that as Naruto, wants to be a ninja that doesn't have to hide her feelings - things that people often don't get the importance of that "Rule no. 25 of Shinobi code", a part very critical in Sakura's understanding, but I won't talk more about it here and, Sasuke, which is from the newer generation however, he is at the halfway and doesn't know which path to choose given the fact that the old ninja system has affected his life so much, hence, like I said, his character's quest and everything.

Revelation of character/identity of course depends on the plot/story and has a "TIMING". We are currently at the climax of the manga and going to the end part. Imagine this... Sakura's character is a supporting role almost the same as Hinata Hyuga. A little bit above Gaara, and may be same level of Kakashi. In the current chapter if we'll have a revelation with the character of Hinata - you may say after the story of Hashirama... while Naruto/Kakashi/Guy/Bee is fighting Obito/Madara what is the implication in the current story? Yah your right you'll probably say WTF to Kishi right these flashback is unnecessary? If we're gonna have a character revelation with Kakashi - it is possible! if fact we are already anticipating it, because it has something to do with Tobi's character and they are in too much in current plot. What if kishi suddenly shift to character development to Gaara? Again WTF Kishi... So same thing with Sakura she had the spotlight during team 7 now She's not in focus, so it doesn't make sense to do a revelation with her character at this point. May be when they get old and Naruto manga is still not finish probably. But the way I see it, it is unlikely. I'll repeat what I have stated in previous post.

Well, yes, it has a timing, sure, no one says anything about that. And, no, sorry,but you wouldn't say WTF becasue as you probably saw by now, Kishi has a way of his to introduce us within the revelation. He prepares us bits by bits. If you would have noticed the flow of the manga, you'd see it wouldn't be that strange. Tsunade is put on a hold with her death. Or apparent death. Sakura is now missing. Why do you think? ;) Of course, it might not exactly be like this, but here it is, an opening for character revelation. And that "climax of the series" isn't quite a strong argument when Kishi himself stated that it might take him more than he originally intended.
And about that Team 7, that wasn't the end of it. It was a prequisite for the final Team 7 reuniting. And guess where the plot lead us? Exactly, to Team 7 reuniting by having Sasuke joining the alliance, more or less. Kishi is subtly building this. She's not of focus at the moment, it doesn't mean she won't be. By the same logic, we could've said this about Sasuke when he was missing from the manga like a year and a half. Once again, double standards much? And like you said, I repeat what I said in the previous post.

1. First and foremost there are no reason for Sakura's relationship with Hashirama or Tsunade be a "secret".

Who said it's a secret? No one did. As I've explained it throughout the thread, relation/link or anything isn't intended as a blood one.
What I meant, once again, is that medically-wise Sakura will get to those Senju-power-ups, without having any blood relation with Hashirama, that she will do it because she has been somewhat connected to via those panels I showed you and the process will be through hard-work because remember she doesn't come from a famous clan. Hence why I said the Haruno symbol, not clan.
There are thousands of scrolls left back which she has been shown to have access to given she's the apprentice of the Hokage.
Byakugo is a version, medically-wise, once again, of Hashirama's SM. Healing without handseals as Madara commented. Probably Tsunde didn't manage to master it so she made a replica. Here would come the concept of the new generation surpassing the old one, hence, Sakura surpassing Tsunade, implicitly, in a way or another, Hashirama. Or getting to his level, but without being needed to go in SM.
And if you'll bring me the chakra quantity argument, I'll bring you the Yin Seal one. Bypassing. There, problem solved.
Also, I explained how the symbol might work. Sakura's initial hymbol is a round empty circle shape. Considering mythology from which Kishi probably inspired himself, when concentrating the full circle appears in the middle and when it starts working, it starts dripping.

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This is Hashirama's symbol.

Now, the way Sakura's has been drawn.

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If you look at Sakura's, it's dripping.
Sorry I couldn't use the more focused ones, however, seems like Photobucket left this message for me in which he's telling me that i need to upgrade to Photobucket plus in order to have more bandwidth and my photos to be visible. Too many people accessed it.
Probably after the cool down I'll be able to show it to you more in-depth.


2. Tsunade is the grand daughter of the first Hokage, if she is related to Sakura then it will be reveal the first time Sakura appeared in the manga or when Tsunade met her. Every supporting character relations is reveal in Manga during character/plot development not in the climax/conclusion/end part. I mean there will be a part in manga that will provide hint that they are related specially during Sakura's character development and as Tsunade's pupil. It should be not later than the main character revelation who happens to be the focus of secrecy... (Naruto-Tobi-Madara of course any character development related with Sasuke-Kakashi-Hashirama will fall to main story line because they are related.) I mean Tsunade is old, she knows her relative for sure. Unless you have a case like Naruto which is by the way the story of Naruto Manga, she wouldn't know that Minato and Naruto are related because it was kept secret BUT SHE KNEW... SHE KNEW ALL ALONG...

Once again, to clear it up, not blood related. Read the upper response.
Hope it's cleared why it wasn't any revealed 'backstory' regarding this.
So I won't bother to answer to the rest given there's no back-up of claims of such.
In the future, to avoid such confusions, do please read carefully. It will be less 'painful' for both of us, lol.
Thanks! ^^

3. No further upgrade is needed since the current war arc is a Dragonball Z fight style. Even if Sakura got an upgrade it would be meaningless, she should have a power of a tailed beast to matter.

So if an entire alliance is going to get screwed-up, Sakura receiving some badass medical powerups and being able to sustain the ninja alliance would be meaningless? Hmm... Interesting.
Trust me, Kishi knows how to play his cards and will probably build a necessary situation to bring her power-up to the actual current plot. And her development as well. These are literally minor things to worry about.


4. Senju and Uchiha matter why? Have you read the manga from the start? Sasuke is an Uchiha and Naruto is a Senju, And the story is also about the quest of Naruto to win his friend "Sasuke" which happens to be an Uchiha. Remember when Tobi talk to Naruto about Senju and Uchiha, that a fight with Sasuke is inevitable due to Senju and Uchiha blood in them. The focus of the story is about them not about Sakura who you think will grab the spot light at the current plot due to drawing resemblance and not due to story line and plot.

Yes, they do matter. Sasuke is an Uchiha, Naruto is an Uzumaki, not Senju. Pay attention to the manga yourself if you're going to tell others to do so. The story is about that as well, however, this story has a lot more layers than this. And also, one of the biggest ones, at least in Shippuden, as Kishi clearly stated is "Bonds".
Sakura happens to be one of his most important bonds wether people like it or not. Yes, their fight will occur, however, guess what. That fight is tied to the fact Naruto can't confess to Sakura, Remember the PoAL [Promise of A Lifetime]? Well, that's still tied there, though Sakura broke it and Naruto said that he isn't doing it for only herself. He has a purpose. Yes, that seems broken, however, if we look at the layers of this PoAL, Naruto cannot achieve certain plot points without that part in which Sakura is tied.
There are so many openings for her to get a development of such that I don't know with which to start first.
The focus of the story is about Team 7 in which, prominent, indeed are the two, but before the team itself doesn't have its resolution the latter, won't happen, as in the fight between these two.
Everyone keeps getting themselves tied with "current plot, current plot!" forgetting the fact that besides the current plot, we have the overall plot of the story which happens to be tied with Team 7 from which Sakura is.
So, see, the way you can say "no, no!", it's the same way I can say "yes, yes!" providing you possibilities from even your own arguments.

5. Say we all agree with you, what if Sakura is a Senju and have Mokuton all along? What will it bring to the current story? Unless her Mokuton is strong enough to matter in the fight with Madara, enough to still the spotlight of Hashirama's Mokuton then it is valid. It's ok to upgrade Sakura and toss her in the current battle. Oh by the way her Sensei who happens to be the real grand daughter of Hashirama Senju is currently cut in half. She's a Senju alright a direct descendant of the 1st Hokage why would it be interesting to have another one?

First of all, I don't want anyone to agree with me, just to discuss the possibilities of such event happening and for others, if they feel like, to contribute to the theory or discuss it, like I said.
Now, second of all, I never said she is a Senju nor that she had Mokuton all along. Once again, read carefully, please.
As for the what can it bring to the current story, read the previous responses I gave you. Not to be anyhow, however, I don't like to repeat myself though I've done it countless times before with this. It gets tiring at a point.



OH BY THE WAY BEFORE I FORGOT... THE CIRCLE MARK ON HASHIRAMA'S FOREHEAD IS NOT RELATED TO BEING A SENJU. IT IS A SAGE ART MARKINGS... SO THE ARGUMENT SHOULD BE... Is Sakura a sage? Rather than Is Sakura a Senju?

Duuh, I never said it's related to being a Senju. I even explained it. And no, the argument is not that one. The argument is: Is Sakura going to get to those levels despite not being a Senju though she was somewhat associated with Hashirama? Once again not blood related! Make the difference please, thank you!

I understand she's been out of the lime light as of late, mainly for plot reasons at the moment, but I believe her being Tsunade's pupil and everyone getting an upgrade from training with their Sannin teacher's (ie; Sasuke-Oro, Naruto-J-man) will def. lead to an upgrade for her (and I'm not just talking about her increased defense/strength as seen against Sasori). There IS a reason that the 3 main characters from the get go were selectively trained by the 3 L.Sannin. I also think, perhaps Madara taunting Tsunade for not being as skilled as her Grandpa could also be foreshadowing of this as, like you stated, each gen. surpases the previous one.

It makes sense people, personal feelings aside, whether you like her or not doesn't matter. Reality is, she's a HUGE part of the plot since the beginning and will be in the next arc as well

I feel like I already answered this but going to do it once again because I kinda lost track anyway, lol and keep it short: thanks for understanding! I share the same ideas as you do.
There is a reason to it. Everything has a reason.

Also, something that I think that should be said about Sakura in particular...

It would only make sense for her to have a bigger role (possibly around this time) because I feel she´s the only one out of former Team7 to lack self confidence or even having a big dream/aspiration. Sort of a chance to turn things more balanced, can´t really explain it well...

She´s one of the main characters after all.

Sorry for slight off-topic :p

Actually, if you don't mind, you're a bit wrong. She does have a goal and self-confidence. It only gets in trouble when she has to choose, more or less between Naruto and Sasuke, though she did make her choice and that was Naruto. No romance involved.
As for her goal, remember forest of Death situation (Protect the ones dear to her) and after the Sasuke retrieval arc (be together with Naruto, supporting him in whatever he needs, however she can, especially in bringing back Sasuke).
And yes, she is one of the main characters and Kishi clearly stated that after he's done with Kakashi he'll start with Sakura. Now, Kakashi's story is beginning to wrap-up, meaning, he's going to be done with and, surprise or not, these similarities with her and Hashirama started exactly when Kakashi's story is beginning to get wrapped up.
Coincidence much? I, personally, believe not. :)
But, as I said, to each his own. :)

So all the similarities/examples you want to believe, to justify a power-up for Sakura. You didn't need to link her to Hashirama, it's possible Sakura can get a power boost because she is one of the main characters in Naruto.

True, however, they'll need a basis. And I've given you, so to say, the basis. Medical-wise, once again.

That was a really good observation...now I'm a believer.

Well, glad you liked it! ^_^
Hopefully we'll see if this comes to fruition or not.:D

Although I didn't read all about the topic. I would say your theory looks believable. And might be true. But if this were true I would've been kinda disappointed. Coz I always thought that Naruto has the same personality as Hashi. Now you say Sakura. Even if she is his descendent. To me that would be a "Wha~~~...Sigh.." Something like tht. But nice theory nonetheless. As expected from a moderator. =)

Well, thanks, first of all.
Second, Hashirama personality-wise is not only as Sakura. He is also as Naruto, Lee and even Sasuke, in some certain situations. Also, I see him resembling Shikamaru. It's something like Hashi is a mix of this newer generation. However, he has a specific amount of traits that are really similar to Sakura's, however, to clear it once again, I am not saying he is blood related to Sakura. He is just linked, in a way or another, to her. Meaning, Sakura getting a Senju-type of power-up without being from the clan itself. But that, only medical-wise. :)
So hope I got that cleared, once again.
And thanks once again, but that doesn't have to do anything with my status as a moderator, more like my status as a member of the base. I was a normal member just like you before becoming a mod. ^_^
I just enjoy doing these things whenever I have the chance. :)

There is a lot of people who have the same personality naruto and sakura both similar to kushina too. Naruto also similar to hashirama but sakura similar to the medical ninjutsu and maybe slugs too and the fact she is his granddaughter student .

Exactly! Similar traits that sets them apart but also connects them. Every each of them have their own individual set of traits, however, some are in common. :)
And definitely the fact that she is the student of Hashirama's granddaughter, as in, Tsunade, has its role. :)

Sakura has no characteristics that senju have, which is strong life force and large chakra pools. They're not related, if she gets a power up it's because she's supposed to be one of the main characters.

Well, not to be sarcastic or anything but congrats on not getting the point. Yes she doesn't have a strong life force nor large chakra pools but guess what, there's always a bypassing of these rules Kishi can come up with. One would be Yin Seal and one would be considering the motto with the "surpassing the old generation" would be Sakura getting those power-ups but without the side-effects. Isn't that hard if you think about the whole structure of the manga, is it? So no, just because she is, not supposed, to be one of the main characters isn't the reason she might get it.
But thanks for your input anyway. :)
 
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