Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

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sakura's role is defined by this page

if she was supposed to develop new powers or defeat more villains or grow as a character in her own right kishi needs to rewrite everything post sasori, all her references since then are only in relation to her supporting role of more important charaacters
 

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Wow I went through the evidence and that was a very comprehensive and optimistic outlook for her, I don’t believe in any coincidences, Sakura is a team 7 member and she is destined for great thing but unlike the other two she doesn’t have a blood line, special abilities, curse seals or a sealed beast.

I don’t know what’s Kishi going to do to raise her level up to the Naruto and Saskue’s level but it is most likely going to be connected to medical justsu's, she probably will come up with some use with the Hashirama cells in the white zetsu.

I have faith that us Sakura fans have not been patiently waiting for nothing, there is plan for her otherwise Kishi would have sacrificed her a long time ago. She’ll end up fighting Saskue most likely or she will take down Obito, Kishi has to give her something.

Thanks to the O.P. for the detailed report it makes me confident that she will bloom again and soon!
 

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PLEASE PLEASE READ THIS...

THE THREAD STARTED BY CONNECTING DRAWING OF THE PAST AND PRESENT AND FINDING RESEMBLANCE FOR A POSSIBLE UPGRADE OF SAKURA... SINCE WE'VE CONNECTED THE SAKURA TO HASHIRAMA THEN WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT SAKURA'S UPGRADE WOULD BE LIKE OF A SAGE OR WHAT EVER, MOKUTON, SENJU POWER ANYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO THE POWER OF HASHIRAMA.

AGAIN

1. First and foremost there are no reason for Sakura's relationship with Hashirama or Tsunade be a "secret".
2. Tsunade is the grand daughter of the first Hokage, if she is related to Sakura then it will be reveal the first time Sakura appeared in the manga or when Tsunade met her. Every supporting character relations is reveal in Manga during character/plot development not in the climax/conclusion/end part. I mean there will be a part in manga that will provide hint that they are related specially during Sakura's character development as Tsunade's pupil. It should be not later than the MAIN character revelation who happens to be the focus of secrecy... (Naruto-Tobi-Madara of course any character development related with Sasuke-Kakashi-Hashirama will fall to main story line because they are related.) I mean Tsunade is old, she knows her relative for sure. Unless you have a case like Naruto which is by the way the story of Naruto Manga, she wouldn't know that Minato and Naruto are related because it was kept secret BUT SHE KNEW... SHE KNEW ALL ALONG... SHE KNOWS MANY THING THAT IT WOULD BE UNLIKELY FOR HER NOT TO RECOGNIZE SAKURA'S CONNECTION TO HASHIRAMA.
3. No further upgrade is needed since the current war arc is a Dragonball Z fight style. Even if Sakura got an upgrade it would be meaningless, she should have a power of a tailed beast to matter.
4. The focus of the story of the current arc is Naruto-Sasuke/Kakashi-Obito/Hashirama-Madara is not about Sakura who you think will grab the spot light at the current plot due to drawing resemblance in the recent chapter and not due to story line and plot.
5. What if Sakura is a Senju and have Mokuton all along? What will it bring to the current story? Unless her Mokuton is strong enough to matter in the fight with Madara, enough to still the spotlight of Hashirama's Mokuton then it is valid. It's ok to upgrade Sakura and toss her in the current battle. Oh by the way her Sensei who happens to be the real grand daughter of Hashirama Senju is currently cut in half. She's a Senju alright a direct descendant of the 1st Hokage why would it be interesting to have another one?
6. Sakura already got an upgrade SHE ALREADY GOT AN UPGRADE and shes doing her role right now. She'll have an upgrade if she will be like the 6th Hokage like Tsunade, that is reason why Tsunade's had to be that powerful because her character is a hokage. Sakura is a Medical nin. She already found her calling. Let leave it that way.
7. What story/arc could you possibly think of for Sakura to be in spotlight that we'll see her upgrade? I'll think one for you, Sakura's Forehead arc. The arc will be after the 4th shinobi war, where Naruto is the Hokage, where Konohugare is at peace, where are heroine was on a journey to find her missing inner self or in a mission to capture Tore (Sibling of Tora). Then she met an enemy more powerful than akatsuki, (REMEMBER SHE ALREADY DEFEATED ONE AKATSUKI MEMBER (Sasori) that is the reason why she was upgraded on the first place and she already belong to an elite group of ninja who could go toe to toe with Akatsuki level ninja.) and she'll need a powerup that requires the Senju power of Hashirama. Now you can think of all possible way for them to be related, connect all the drawing resemblance and clue Kishi left in the war arc during Hashirama's flashback. But my goodness what story will it be? Far from Naruto's main plot. May be in a filler it is possible. It simply doesn't make any sense to upgrade Sakura.

Yup surpassing her teacher is possible, anything is possible in Manga, that is why we're having a discussion BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILTY, so weight of the argument base on drawing, resemblance, fact, and story come into play. I think for Sakura, if ever she'll have an upgrade it'll be in a time skip, where they are all older at the ending of the manga we'll see them as Konohagure's leaders. I just simply don't see her surpassing Tsunade at this time, in my opinion may be not even in the future because of the reason stated above. Not all character's are gifted or had a good character development, not all character will be in focus. So they are some character that'll never have another power boost or be left out. Surpassing has a lot of way of presenting itself though. For me Naruto already surpasses all previous Hokage the moment he refuses to Kill Pain, when he forgave him. I believe Chouji, Shikamaru, Ino already got the spotlight of surpassing their parents and got a recognition from Azuma during this war arc. Gaara the golden egg was praised by 2nd Mizukage He have surpassed all Kazekage. Sasuke already surpassed Itachi (though we haven't really seen his EMS yet). Kankuro defeated Sasori. Sai well He's a team 7 member alright he seems to have emotion now hahaha (I think he will be left out THOUGH HE'S A TEAM7 MEMBER). It is happening right now, Naruto cast are surpassing their predecessor. But of course not everyone will surpass their predecessor, Tsunade to 4th as Hokage or 1st as a Senju, A to 3rd Raikage. Onoki to Muu, Kakashi/Obito to Minato etc not every son surpasses their father or teacher just like in real life. What I do believe is Hinata is the one who will have an upgrade, soon, not necessary in power but in character as whole, since Neji also died she need to step up. She is really playing major part in ALL Naruto''s fight from genin and chunin exam, battle with Pain and now in the current fight she's involved alright she is literally beside Naruto. Sakura on the other hand ALREADY SURPASSED HER PARENTS so lets be happy about it, she's enjoying staying out of the battlefield and doing medical services to everybody what more could we ask.

The only role hinata is stepping up into because of nejis death would probably be taking on more leadership roles for her clan, sorry thats all i can see with her there is just not reason for Sakura to not surpass her teacher her parents arent even ninja if i remember correctly

Also i never stated i believe the relation part of this thread.
 

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sakura's role is behind the scenes support of the main male characters, naruto and sasuke, she's defined by her being a woman, will never have the kind of development as hashirama

Finally someone understand...

The only role hinata is stepping up into because of nejis death would probably be taking on more leadership roles for her clan, sorry thats all i can see with her there is just not reason for Sakura to not surpass her teacher her parents arent even ninja if i remember correctly

Also i never stated i believe the relation part of this thread.

Like I said Hinata's will have a character development is not NECESSARY IN POWER BUT IN CHARACTER AS WHOLE, if you said clan leader then it is a big step up don't you think?

There is just not reason for Sakura to not surpass her teacher
But there is much more reason also for her not to surpass her teacher, see the weight of arguments.

her parents arent even ninja if i remember correctly
Sakura on the other hand ALREADY SURPASSED HER PARENTS so lets be happy about it... IT IS A SARCASM

As awesome this theory may sound like, it won't happen IMO.

Sakura has been played out as one of the main characters of the series, shes not any relevant any more except for the final Sasuke VS Naruto fight. She might have an important role later on if we do get a TS (Time-Skip) but that seems to be impossible as of right now.

Still a nice theory you got there.

Nicely delivered...
 
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nice findings and theory, but I have to dis agree good sir.
here I have some answers.

The symbol

The Haruno's might be distant relatives from the senju, in FAR distant and thats maybe where they
got the clan mark form.


the chakra control

It is stated in the manga that for being able to use medical ninjutsu on needs VERY
good chakra control. so This much explains why Sakura has it. Otherwise Kishi
wouldn't have been able to turn Sakura into the medical nin of the team.
the one ninja that comes back in the 3 similar teams:

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you seem to focus a lot on how there drawn, such as resemblance, but i think young hashi look more like guy/lee then any other char to date. thou i do agree a power up for sakura would be interesting, i doubt it will happen soon and be something we see coming, like the fifths regen. maybe this "sage" mode hashi has is a snail sage mode? maybe that how the fifth learned her regen? only couldnt master it and had to sit and "store" the sage chakra in her forehead? this "Snail sage" could be where hashi's regen comes from. after all i havent seen any fight where hashi uses the regen power and for something like to turned on all the time would drain to much chakra, i mean, not even sasuke can use his ems ALL the time, and madrara (young anyways) dosent use his all the time. who knows thou? also while sakura dose happen to be around when hashi is mentioned and have knowledge about him, she is also one of the more well educated chars of naruto, where naruto and sasuke have been training for power she has been hitting the books, not only knowing many abilities of her teammates but also opponents. ex. she sat down and read the report by yamamoto on zestu, she might not have a high iq but she dose her homework, something most of the chars dont do. i could go on more but my point is made. lastly on kishi's "coincidences" heres one, sakura wasnt given any of kurama's chakra, why? seeing as she is med ninja shes not in the frontlines, but there may be more to it. maybe her "powerup" or her clans "hidden jutsu" or w.e you wanna call it, uses so much chakra it not only forbidden but using it could cause instant death, before even being pulled off. i have a feeling sakura may surprise us one day but there's a reason she not in the "final" fight of the war, or really any fights of the war. maybe in akkuipuden guys.
I was not referring at the similarities in drawing as how they look, I was referring at the drawing style made to resemble one another's personality.
To me, facially, Hashirama is a mix of Lee and Shikamaru. The personality, I see a mix of Naruto/Sakura/Lee.
Hashirama is a mix of many characters, however, as I showed, many of his character's particularities are quite similar to Sakura's one.
As for the Sage Mode Hashirama has, we're not sure yet if it's Slug Sage Mode. It could be since Shokkotsurin means Damn bone forest and Senju are known to be the Clan of the Woods/Forest.
Becasue as we've seen, he has that big statue of wood and also, his Sage mode offers him regenerative abilities, just like Tsunade's one. And you can clearly see that when he enters Sage Mode, already some of his scratches begin to heal. :)
I believe that his forehead allows him, just like Tsunade's, to share a lot of Senjutsu chakra.
And exactly. As you said, out of all, Sakura wasn't given the Kurama chakra. Why? Maybe because she will show-off something of her own that won't need Kurama's chakra?
My beliefs is that, after she wanted Yamato to teach her the Mokuton binding technique, she started researching. After all, we've seen she has access to the Hokage's office. And I believe that it will have to do with Shodai's healing/regenerative abilities.
As you've said it, she is a well educated character that makes her homework, reads a lot. Sakura has been portrayed to know a lot of rules i nthe academy, jutsus, basic elements, everything that was needed to be known so it won't be that far-fetched to show her getting to a certain level of power all done by studying. As I said, she is a fast learner.
And I fairly believe that this storage sealing technique was precisely designed for Sakura's lack of huge chakra reserves. So that Kishi will have a way to get away from the "doesn't have enough chakra reserves" remark. :)
And, personally, I think that it will be in this series, in this war or, at most, Team 7 resolution arc. :)

Sorry, not to be a jerk here but, I think you're way off with this one. I think that if you're main points are just the symbol and the way they both sit then the arguments pretty weak. There's plenty of other examples of character's sitting like that such as Hinata or a young Sasuke to say just a couple. Honestly, I don't see anything really tying them together, besides Tsunade and the healing which go hand in hand. Anyway, their personalities and fighting techniques are so distant from each other that I can't imagine them being related. It would just be waaay waaay too random. Plus to have Tsunade, Naruto, and Sakura all tied with Hashi? Idk it doesn't make sense to me. The way I see it Hashi was the best from the past which is why he'd only really relate to the best in the present, Naruto. Anyone else would just kind of cheapen him and seem random. Sakura needs a power up no doubt, but there's really no reason or logic for it to come from Hashi.

Uhm, did you read the updated version? And, no, sorry, but none of them have the same pose as Hashirama/Sakura. If they would've had, I wouldn't be using it as a potential argument.
I have read the manga countless times before to get to know almost every character's behavior, drawing patterns, so on and so forth. Never Hinata, nor Sasuke were drawn in the stance both Sakura and Hashirama were drawn.
As I said, related not as in blood or descendants, just associated and how some of the techniques Hashirama displays, will foreshadow some of Sakura's upgrade.
And as I already mentioned throughout the thread, I think it will have to do with her regenerative abilities.
Why would it be too random? Chronologically it was Hashirama, then, Tsunade came and then, Sakura was made Tsunade's pupil. Coincidence much? ;) Only this basic idea could lead to the fact that she will be associated somehow to Hashirama. Not mentioning all the others.
As I said, I am not pulling a relative type of thing or descendants here. All I am saying is that Sakura may receive some power-ups that will be similar to those shown by Hashirama. To be more exact, the healing abilities.
Hope you got the idea better now.

Nice thread and nice research you obviously put a lot of effort to it, however I could not agree with these assumptions. Why?
1. First and foremost there are no reason for Sakura's relationship with Hashirama or Tsunade be a secret.
2. Tsunade is the grand daughter of the first Hokage, if she is related to Sakura then it will be reveal the first time Sakura appeared in the manga or when Tsunade met her. Every main character relations is reveal in Manga during character/plot development not in the climax/conclusion/end part.
3. No further upgrade is needed since the current war arc is a Dragonball Z fight style. Even if Sakura got an upgrade it would be meaningless, she should have a power of a tailed beast to matter.
4. Too many powerful character are involve in the current plot and another power upgrade for an annoying character is pointless. It is pointless to focus a story on Sakura when we are talking great Hokages and Jinchuuriki in an epic battle.
5. Manga's drawings, what can I say, its difficult to draw hundreds of character that will not resemble or be similar with other characters. e.g. Hunter X Hunter - Ghost Fighter different Manga how much more in one manga story with so many characters (As far as I know Naruto Manga contains the most number of character in a manga) So design and style would probably mixed up.

There so much more I can say but its just an opinion no facts nor basis. Anyway nice thread though.

1. I didn't say Sakura's relationship with Hashirama/Tsunade would be a secret. It's not even a secret. Tsunade is her Shishou (Master), Sakura was shown to know about Mokuton Ninjutsu and expressed the desire to learn the technique.
2. Once again, related as in associated as in Sakura will get something based on what she learned from books/scrolls/whatever was left behind. And once again, Kishi never said he's ending the manga tomorrow. There's still time. He even said it. Do you know how many things are yet to be revealed/resolved? Ten tails getting to maturity, Obito using Rinnegan, Madara using Perfect Susano'o and other techniques displayed by Hashirama, defeating all these guys. Do you think it will be that simple? Kishi is a details boy.
Look at the flashbacks how long they're taking....so when I say there's still time, there's still time.
Not to mention, at the end, we will have to have Team 7 resolution.
As Kishi said, there are still many surprises Naruto manga has left.
3. That's your opinion so I won't debate on it too much. However, who says that for example, if all the alliance is hurt and she comes with a mass-healing jutsu will be meaningless? On the contrary. ;)
4. Oh, so that's your problem... now I get it.
5. I think I made it pretty clear what's the difference in drawing here. In Naruto, character stances and similarities are present if it means a parallel or a foreshadowing. And I think I made it pretty clear with Naruto/Yahiko/Obito/Nagato. They all paralleled and foreshadowed, more or less, each other.

Anyway, thanks a lot for your participation in the thread. :)

Very Nice Work Chatte. In many a way I kind of agree with you about Kishi foreshadowing something but I don't believe that it will be something Senju related. She will have a power-up coming, there's no doubt about that. With all the work that's been done on Naruto and the work on Sasuke we've yet to see, there's got to be more in store for her. I believe it will be something similar to the Yin seal on Tsunade's head. As for Sakura knowing about fake Neji being one of the White Zetsu, Sakura has always been sharp. She would notice even the smallest thing that's off.

Thank you, dear! :)
Well, if it's the Yin Seal on Tsunade's head... with whom she'll be associated given Tsunade is Hashirama's granddaughter? ;) Yup, Hashi. So it will be in a way, or another, Senju related. But not Senju as in clan. Only as in Hashirama and, as I said, regenerative abilities. I am sure this will be the connection there. :)
Also, I agree about her being sharp. That's how she was portrayed. But the fact it was her discovering the secret of the White Zetsus which is associated with Hashirama, given the fact that they're made out of Hashirama's cells, another thing that Sakura discovered, that's what makes me associate them as well.
It's that if a=b and b=c, then a=c things, you know?
Hope you got the idea.
Anyway, thanks! ^_^

who knows, decent tho

Thanks! :)

The theory is well done....i felt a part of it didnt fit in but all together made a lot of sense...good job

Thank you!
Which part you felt that didn't fit?
Maybe I could clear that up. ^^

I appreciate the effort you have put but just bcoz two characters have similar personality(or used to ) doesnt mean that they are related(take case of naruto and obito)
And I dont particularly agree with the forehead theory.....even Kishi said that Hinata would have made a better heroine than Sakura.
Moreover Sakura knew about Mokuton techniques particularly because she(considered the intelligent one of her team initially),read all scriptures realted to jutsus,and it can also be due to the fact Tsunade might have told her during their training...
Also,many ninjas who have enough knowledge would know about Yamato and his techniques....

I know you are thinking that all this is for a reason,but I think its random(pretty much like how Tobi came out to be Obito)....

I am not throwing away everything you said,but the assumption that Sakura is related/similar to Senju just because she is the female protagonist(or used to be) is not correct...
Kishi has made some mistakes and left plotholes,like when it was declared that 3rd hokage is stronger than both the 1st and 2nd hokage but now we discover that his power is nowhere near to the 2nd,let alone the 1st...

Nothing can be said clearly,but these random similarities dont mean anything(according to me).

As I said, not related by blood, but related as in associated. :)
Oh, god, I am going to go nuts with this.
Kishi never said Hinata would make a better heroine than Sakura.
This is what Kishi said [Japanese]: 周りからヒロインらしくないとかヒナタのほうがヒロインだとか言われているがやはりサクラは自分の中でヒロインなんで、これからヒロインっぽい所見せる」
Translation: I have been told by other people that Sakura isn't acting like a heroine, or that Hinata is more of a heroine than her, but if I think of it Sakura really has the strength of a heroine inside her, and from here on out she's ready to show it, too.

He has been told by other people doesn't equal Kishi said.
So, no, Kishi never said that, on the contrary. He enforces once again that Sakura has the strength of a heroine inside her, not Hinata.
But anyway, I don't want to turn this into a Hinata/Sakura centric discussion. But hope we got cleared that misinformation.

Uhm, no, I didn't make the connection because she is the female protagonist, which she still is.
I made it based on proofs that I think you already read.
Also, Kishi never did that... Or people took it too literally. "Was said to be" didn't equal "is/was". The fact that people's comprehensive skills sometimes falter, doesn't mean Kishi is to be blamed. So, no, there's no plothole there.
Well, to you it doesn't, to me it does, so it seems in the end we'll have to agree to disagree. Meaning, each to his own. :p
But thanks for participating, anyway.

Um, a lot of your stuff could be argued against and most likely reasoned with logic. Your efforts are definitely praiseworthy, I just don't think this is what Kishi is aiming for...

Once again, I applaud your efforts. I do believe that Sakura will gain a little more development, but nothing drastic as this thread implies.

Well, try to argue. :p
Thanks anyways.
And why is it drastic. Her receiving a power-up wouldn't be drastic at all.
At least in my opinion.
On the contrary, it would be something suited.
But meh... :)
As I was saying, to each, his own. :p
But thanks for participating! :)

I respect your work and your research you did there but i really have to disagree with that.
Its like saying because Naruto has the same Sharingan Tomoes on his BM Cloak he is going to have Sharingan-Like power.
Your Theory is just far-fetched.

First of all, thanks.
Second of all, the reason Naruto has those Sharingan Tomoes isn't because he will have Sharingan-Like powers, is because he is becoming the reincarnation of the Sage, thing hinted way back in the tailed beast reunion.
And as we know, Senju and Uchihas = the Sage.
So, not so far-fetched, right? ;)


It is not a secret that Hashirama used Mokuton. Its the opposite. He was well known because of this ability.
Anyone who conserns himself just a bit with the Shodai will know that he used Mokuton. And Sakura is a really smart person with a great general knowledge.

But only Kishi knows what will happen or not. But I think if Hashirama is going to help Sakura to power-up her its not because of the reasons you mentioned there.

I never said it is a secret that Hashirama used Mokuton. But that specific technique was a secret technique, hence, Sakura thinking "That's Shodai Sama's alone secret jutsu", hence, Kishi putting an emphasis on the fact that that was a secret technique that no one should've known about.
Yes, people knew generally that Shodai used Mokuton ninjutsu, but they didn't knew the extensive techniques of the Mokuton ninjutsu, hence Sakura saying "He is using Mokuton ninjutsu".
This is where Kishi draws a line between the general idea that indeed, Shodai used Mokuton and people knew about it, yet, there are some secret techniques that people don't know about, therefore, "the secret technique" added into the speech, making a difference between others and Sakura.
That's the difference. Hope I made it clear. ^^

Maybe she is senju related who knows
But i hghly doubt she is able to go in sage mode
Kishi just foreshadowed she is a senju

I don't think she will be related by blood.
I think that she'll get the regenerative abilities.
But we shall see. :)

I am not sure how much this will help but it might be helpful .........

Chakra control will add up a little to your theory which you find here for Hashirama and for Sakura

I am not sure but you can build on it in better way ......

Aah, I added that with the latest update. But thanks for pointing it out once again. :D

You sure do have a handful of responses on your hand there. Good luck with that

Thanks a lot, will need it.
I can barely keep up. And longer replies are coming my way.
Oh, god :no:

As I said before, if she does get a power up, it will not be sage mode. She doesn't have the chakra reserves to master sage mode.

As I said before, Yin seal. Bypassing the chakra reserves rule. Problem solved.

Chatte, I see you noticed the scene like in my thread about the comparison between Sakura and Ino and Hashirama and Madara! This last chapter even further covered it when they struck each other simultaneously like they did at the exams! :hint:

Yes, yes, yes I did.
Told you I'm going to try to cover that up. :D
And yes, that part is what made me believe even more that it is a strong foreshadowing. Chapter by chapter, my theory gains more basis. :D
I can only be happy. ^^

I haven't read all the posts above, I hope some stupid haters aren't here :p. Seriously I don't like haters. It's a manga, I find it a bit weird to hate a character of who you don't know how it will end up.

That being said, let's hope you're right and she does get some development. She's one of team 7 after all. It's just that I don't know if there's much time left for her to develop, but I also think it should happen though. Ofcourse not all characters can develop to become very strong shinobi. But she's one of team 7 so yeah...

As a side note, I still hope she'll end up with Sasuke, it was her childhood crush after all and as all people know: girls are more serious about their crushes than say Naruto who should be over his childhood crush that is Sakura and now loves Hinata. That would be very realistic in my opinion.

Indeed, the fact that she is a part of Team 7 alone could be a strong reason, however, I decided to leave that into the dark, but in the end, it will tie her to the main strong clans in this manga. Sasuke - Uchihas, Naruto - Uzumakis, Sakura - Senjus. More or less. :)
At the side note, I would rather not talk about it, don't get me wrong. But pairing stuff, I tend to leave that aside here.
I don't need pairing wars, lol.

That's very interesting theory ..

Thank you! ^_^

This is where I got to catch-up with replies.
Will do more when I'll have some free time.
Thanks for understanding. ^_^
 

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Like I said Hinata's will have a character development is not NECESSARY IN POWER BUT IN CHARACTER AS WHOLE, if you said clan leader then it is a big step up don't you think?

But there is much more reason also for her not to surpass her teacher, see the weight of arguments.

Sakura on the other hand ALREADY SURPASSED HER PARENTS so lets be happy about it... IT IS A SARCASM

Sarcasm or not lol, she surpassed her parents the moment she learned shadow clone
 

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1. I didn't say Sakura's relationship with Hashirama/Tsunade would be a secret. It's not even a secret. Tsunade is her Shishou (Master), Sakura was shown to know about Mokuton Ninjutsu and expressed the desire to learn the technique.
2. Once again, related as in associated as in Sakura will get something based on what she learned from books/scrolls/whatever was left behind. And once again, Kishi never said he's ending the manga tomorrow. There's still time. He even said it. Do you know how many things are yet to be revealed/resolved? Ten tails getting to maturity, Obito using Rinnegan, Madara using Perfect Susano'o and other techniques displayed by Hashirama, defeating all these guys. Do you think it will be that simple? Kishi is a details boy.
Look at the flashbacks how long they're taking....so when I say there's still time, there's still time.
Not to mention, at the end, we will have to have Team 7 resolution.
As Kishi said, there are still many surprises Naruto manga has left.
3. That's your opinion so I won't debate on it too much. However, who says that for example, if all the alliance is hurt and she comes with a mass-healing jutsu will be meaningless? On the contrary. ;)
4. Oh, so that's your problem... now I get it.
5. I think I made it pretty clear what's the difference in drawing here. In Naruto, character stances and similarities are present if it means a parallel or a foreshadowing. And I think I made it pretty clear with Naruto/Yahiko/Obito/Nagato. They all paralleled and foreshadowed, more or less, each other.

AHMMM... THE THREAD STARTED BY CONNECTING DRAWING OF THE PAST AND PRESENT AND FINDING RESEMBLANCE FOR A POSSIBLE UPGRADE OF SAKURA... SINCE WE'VE CONNECTED SAKURA TO HASHIRAMA THEN IT MEANS YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT SAKURA'S UPGRADE WOULD BE LIKE OF A SAGE, or MOKUTON, or SENJU, or HEALING ABILITY, or POWER, or ANYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO THE POWER OF HASHIRAMA RIGHT? SO FURTHER CAN BE CONCLUDE:

If we state a possible upgrade of Sakura via Hashirama then it follows they are related either by blood/clan. You said maybe after studying. Base on Manga fact.

1. Only with Hashirama DNA a person may use Mokuton. For her to be able to use mokuton she should have the same DNA structure of Hashirama and she can achieve it 1 THRU study LIKE ORICHIMARU AND INFUSE HASHI DNA TO HERSELF or 2 Be a Senju with similar DNA structure with Hashi. Of course we know that genes are actually a subset of a cell's DNA then it should make Sakura a relative of Senju. That is why I pointed out that this development should be during Sakura's upgrade as Tsunade's student and there are no reason for their relation be a secret. Sakura's character now longs to help thru medical way not power up ways, so it is unlikely for her to study Hashi cell and infuse it to herself. Pls see. for additional reference.

2. I did not say the manga will end tomorrow but Revelation of character/identity of course depends on the plot/story and has "TIMING". We are currently at the climax of the manga and going to the end part. A lot of course will be revealed but it is focus on the main character which has the secrecy in character, of course revelation with Obito/Kakashi, Madara/Hashirama, Sasuke/Naruto are all expected because of the story and what the story suggest.

3. Healing ability the closes thing that is actually possible. But I believe revelation of this ability should be thru Tsunade with her relation to Hashirama, not Sakura to Hashirama. It is possible though that Tsunade already pass this ability to Sakura but it is just not use yet. But again if this is the case then the point of connection should be Tsunade to Sakura, not Hashirama to Sakura. The STORY ALREADY SUGGEST that Tsunade's healing power is like Hashirama, of course revelation for this jutsu will be answered through Tsunade's story, study and secrets or possibly Sakura story relays if and only if tsutsu died in the story, not directly from Sakura's secret, study and character secret that has a Hashirama connection. Why? because Kishi already foreshadow Tsunade's healing power with Hashima's thru the story.

4. For us to CONCLUDE for an upcoming revelation about any character, is we have to analyze the ROLE of that character (which most of the replies are all about), the trend of the STORY, the PLOT and the TIMING of revelation, hint or clue, its significance in MAIN story, WHICH IS OF COURSE CONVEYED THROUGH DRAWINGS. Now the way author draw a character sometimes MAKES RESEMBLANCE WITH OTHER CHARACTER for you to connect the dot or make a hypothesis about it, you need the role/story/plot/timing/dialog which is again CONVEYED THROUGH DRAWINGS. How would you know that the drawing resemblance is suggesting something or not? Of course you have to analyze the role/story/plot/timing/dialog. If we eliminate these 5 and just assume because of drawing resemblance then your argument is weak.

5. Sage mode. We all know that sage mode is not for everybody only for those who have an enormous chakra reserves only. And we know that Sakura doesn't have that chakra reserves its a fact. Unless you say Sakura is a Senju eitherwise.
 
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AHMMM... THE THREAD STARTED BY CONNECTING DRAWING OF THE PAST AND PRESENT AND FINDING RESEMBLANCE FOR A POSSIBLE UPGRADE OF SAKURA... SINCE WE'VE CONNECTED SAKURA TO HASHIRAMA THEN IT MEANS YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT SAKURA'S UPGRADE WOULD BE LIKE OF A SAGE, or MOKUTON, or SENJU, or HEALING ABILITY, or POWER, or ANYTHING THAT IS RELATED TO THE POWER OF HASHIRAMA RIGHT? SO FURTHER CAN BE CONCLUDE:

If we state a possible upgrade of Sakura via Hashirama then it follows they are related either by blood/clan. You said maybe after studying. Base on Manga fact.

1. Only with Hashirama DNA a person may use Mokuton. For her to be able to use mokuton she should have the same DNA structure of Hashirama and she can achieve it 1 THRU study LIKE ORICHIMARU AND INFUSE HASHI DNA TO HERSELF or 2 Be a Senju with similar DNA structure with Hashi. Of course we know that genes are actually a subset of a cell's DNA then it should make Sakura a relative of Senju. That is why I pointed out that this development should be during Sakura's upgrade as Tsunade's student and there are no reason for their relation be a secret. Sakura's character now longs to help thru medical way not power up ways, so it is unlikely for her to study Hashi cell and infuse it to herself. Pls see. for additional reference.

2. I did not say the manga will end tomorrow but Revelation of character/identity of course depends on the plot/story and has "TIMING". We are currently at the climax of the manga and going to the end part. A lot of course will be revealed but it is focus on the main character which has the secrecy in character, of course revelation with Obito/Kakashi, Madara/Hashirama, Sasuke/Naruto are all expected because of the story and waht the story suggest.

3. Healing ability the closes thing that is actually possible. But I believe revelation of this ability should be thru Tsunade with her relation to Hashirama, not Sakura to Hashirama. It is possible though that Tsunade already pass this ability to Sakura but it is just not use yet. But again if this is the case then the point of connection should be Tsunade to Sakura, not Hashirama to Sakura.

4. For us to CONCLUDE for an upcoming revelation about any character, is we have to analyze the ROLE of that character (which most of the replies are all about), the trend of the STORY, the PLOT and the TIMING of revelation, hint or clue, its significance in MAIN story, WHICH IS OF COURSE CONVEYED THROUGH DRAWINGS. Now the way author draw a character sometimes MAKES RESEMBLANCE WITH OTHER CHARACTER for you to connect the dot or make a hypothesis about it, you need the role/story/plot/timing/dialog which is again CONVEYED THROUGH DRAWINGS. How would you know that the drawing resemblance is suggesting something or not? Of course you have to analyze the role/story/plot/timing/dialog. If we eliminate these 5 and just assume because of drawing resemblance then your argument is weak.

5. Sage mode. We all know that sage mode is not for everybody only for those who have an enormous chakra reserves only. And we know that Sakura doesn't have that chakra reserves its a fact. Unless you say Sakura is a Senju.

This isn't your thread.. stop posting long ass posts and stop talking in all caps ~_~
 

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This isn't your thread.. stop posting long ass posts and stop talking in all caps ~_~

What's your problem? He has the right to do that if he likes and don't pick on him because he's gennin
 

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What's your problem? He has the right to do that if he likes and don't pick on him because he's gennin
True, but he should really avoid all the multi-posting he's doing, especially in a thread created by a mod :D
 

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This isn't your thread.. stop posting long ass posts and stop talking in all caps ~_~

Chill out man... This is a forum... If you don't like it, don't read it.

The creator of the thread did say it is ok to discuss. I am just pointing out facts and opinion. He also have long ass replies and I find it very amusing at the same time entertaining. He likes to write and read, so I take time to write and read post also. I like the effort he put into each reply that's why I also put some effort.

I copy-paste some of my statement from previous post, it so happen to be in Caps form. I didn't know it's prohibited. Anyway every post is edited so there are difference.
 

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Chill out man... This is a forum... If you don't like it, don't read it.

The creator of the thread did say it is ok to discuss. I am just pointing out facts and opinion. He also have long ass replies and I find it very amusing at the same time entertaining. He likes to write and read, so I take time to write and read post also. I like the effort he put into each reply that's why I also put some effort.

I copy-paste some of my statement from previous post, it so happen to be in Caps form. I didn't know it's prohibited. Anyway every post is edited so there are difference.
'He' is a 'She', fyi :D
 

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Guys, chill down or I'll close the thread [probably I should do that to catch-up with replies, lol!]
 

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Oopps.... Sorry... Sorry...

It's ok, don't worry.
The thing is, if you want me to clear everything up, you should give me a little time to catch-up with the other replies, heheh. ^_^
LE: And also try to not multi-post. It's against the rules. :p
 

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You should close and restart it. I'm sure most people willing to debate are not willing to go through all the replies either.
 

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You should close and restart it. I'm sure most people willing to debate are not willing to go through all the replies either.

Why restart it? It would be a double thread. So, I am not going to close it.
Who is interested in the debate, will read. I've done countless readings in order to understand better a subject, so I think it's not that hard to do. :)
It's only a bit out of the way since I have to catch-up with the replies.
I never expected such feedback, to be honest... O_O

I admit I hate:rage: Sakura, but the exact same things have been going trough my head! This just might be true! :hint:

Well, I am glad that even though, as you stated it, you thought at it. I mean, from my point of view, if someone who doesn't care at all when it comes to her, sees those kind of things...it just raises the possibilities. :)
We'll just have to wait and see what happens. :D

i really enjoyed this theory, a nice read, thanks Chatte, also gz on mod!

Thank you, dear! Glad you enjoyed it! ^_^

Not a fan of Sakura at all i believe she's a waste of ink but you do make a compelling argument

Well, glad you find it compelling. :p Thanks! ^^

wait r u comparing hashirama and sakura

Nope. I am not comparing. I am showing similarities.

Maybe sakura didn't get a cloak because she's a mere medic? What's she going to do, heal the enemy to death. You're trying to connect dots that aren't even there. Unfathomable how someone can think that sakura and hashi are alike.

She's not just a mere medic, and you know that. Well, there are multiple things she could do with that cloak. Imagine just the strength.
If you feel that I am trying to do this, so be it... But there are dots that are present, otherwise, how should I've been able to connect them. ;)
And I didn't say Hashi and Sakura are alike. Read better, please.
I said there are certain similarities in their character they both share and are unique traits only to them. There's a difference.

WOAH, i had a feeling it was you chatte xd lol...:lmao:
but i will read and analyze ya thread ,However...You are easy to read, Chatte ;)

Lol, I guess this is my ... how should I say? Signature thread? Lol.
Anyways... about that easy to read, I didn't quite got the catch of it. What do you mean?
Maybe you could clear that up if you decide to come back in the thread. :)

Why does a medical ninja need to be strong? Her medical skills are already top tier as she was able to develop an antidote to sasori's poison. I don't see how much further she could go with regards to that. I initially thought that perhaps you mean to say that her combat skills will be improved. Are you implying something along the lines of Tsunade's byakugou for sakura? I could see that happening, and just getting a slug summoning with .....idk maybe venom poison release and i think you'd get what you want. Not too sure who she'd use it against this late in the manga though, maybe orochimaru? meh...

I think i should also reveal my honest opinion here. For a theory type prediction thread to be solid imo you need to create a realistic scenario where you show how what you're saying could possibly play out in the future chapters of the manga. Like, if the subject is Sakura, sure we discuss the background and if you have to the symbolisms, but also state why you feel that what you propose may happen, e.g it would logically tie in with the plot, or it would help to alleviate a certain situation, etc. Right now Sakura is with the joint shinobi force fighting edo madara, obito and the juubi. Is there any scenario in which her power up may be shown with this backdrop? Perhaps she develops a variant of the healing tech with the ability to heal multiple wounded at the same time? Or a chakra shield that helps to block attacks? Anyhting that has a fair to remote chance of actually happening in the manga.

That said, there was a lot of effort put into this thread so plus reps and i appreciate that you take the time to respond to all the replies here.

Well, indeed, a medical ninja wouldn't quite need to be strong, however, she isn't just a medical ninja, that's the thing. She is a bit...how should I say it? More special? True, she is already top tier given she developed an antidote that an entire village couldn't.
Combat skills are already improved considering part 1 Sakura.
And, yes, to put it like that, it is something along those lines. I found something pretty interesting written about that sign so I'll plan to share it here, just need to update the thread.
About what she could get, I still need some infos that I am sure I'll get in the future chapters. I don't want to say it yet because I know people are reclutant, reserved, however you want to call it, to this so, for now, it's better to keep it for myself.
As for the realistic scenario, I already said to someone around here.
Ten tails still has to come to final form,all those tricks that Madara and Obito still didn't get out of their sleeve.
What if it will be a mass-destruction thing and Sakura will come in handy with a mass-healing jutsu? This way, she will maximize the fighting potential of the Alliance. Something like you said. :p
I will add that after I finish with the replies based on what I found and a scenario that could tie it up with the current plot. :)
Hopefully that will come more in handy. ^_^

@ Chateeeeeeeeee!!!


A Thread Nicely Done.

I get the foreshadowing progress.


But with the recent chapters.

Hashirama seems to be more like Naruto.

I think , that Hashirama might foreshadow a bit Naruto and Sakura @ the same time.


But the recent chapter seems to be like a paralell for Naruto + Sasuke.


Young Hashirama + Young Madara - almost the same as Sasuke + Naruto.


But I think , that Hasirama = Tsunade = Sakura.

I think , that Tsunade is the medium between the Hashirama foreshadowing Sakura.


Also Hashirama is Tsunades grandfather.


And Tsunade was a Hokage.


As a Hokage Tsunade had acess to alot of Jutsu and knowledge.

She might have passed some of that knowledge to Sakura , since Sakura was shes diciple.



Opinions?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaze, OMG I MISSED YOU SO MUUUCH! Where have you been, boy??? :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Anyway, enough with the off-topic!
First of all, thanks.
About Hashirama -> Naruto...true! But remember part 1? Kakashi said Sakura and Naruto have similar personalities, therefore, more or less, Hashirama = Sakura, in terms of childhood personality traits.
Indeed, the recent chapters are a bit of a parallel of Naruto and Sasuke, but as I've shown, it has a lot of Ino/Sakura parallel.
I believe you didn't get to read the updated thread. And I barely managed to get to your post.
Oh, God!
And indeed, Tsunade is the element that links Sakura's development via Hashirama.
And exactly, exactly, exactly!
All the village's scrolls are in the Hokage's office. Remember part 1 Mizuki told Naruto to steal the Shadow Clone scroll jutsu from the Hokage's office.
Now, since Tsunade is a Hokage and has access to all those things, who was also shown to have access? Exactly. Sakura! Not mentioning she was shown to read a lot!
Opinions: I fully agree with you! You just completed a little hole in my thread. Will add that to my future update of the thread. ^^
Thanks for participating! Miss ya! :hug:

Don't think so. Hashi > Hiruzen > Tsunade Jiraiya Orochimaru > Naruto Sakura Sasuke. I don't think Hashi taught tsunade any ninjutsu, remember he died while she was still a child.

You can say the powers up between the 3 should be even, although sasuke was ahead in terms of skill and power post-timeskip.

Sasuke - Basic - MS - EMS
Naruto - Basic - SM - Kyuubi Cloak - BM
Sakura - Basic - ??? - ???

Yes, he died when she was still a child, but remember, as Aze already said, they leave scrolls behind. Tsunade had access to them, therefore she developed her own jutsu based on those scrolls and then, she could've easily passed those on Sakura.
Like I said to Aze in my previous reply, she was shown to have access to the Hokage's office.

About that, I think I made it clear in my previous thread.

Sakura - Tsunade: Medical ninjutsu and improved taijutsu as a prime development, second, usage of medical tools like poison, sleeping gas bombs, now what she needs is the ultimate healing technique, because this is what makes Tsunade one tier above her, more or less. :)
Hope you got the idea.
As well, people forget Kishi's hints from the manga and the databook when he said she's a late bloomer and that her final bloom is going to be seen on the battlefield. Coincidence much? Maybe, maybe not... :)

freaking awsome I hope she turns out to be the best she can be

Let's hope for the best! ^_^
Thanks!

I´m hoping for further development of the character, despite the current situation not being the most favorable.

Also, great thread, things do connect. Kudos to you :D

Thank you! As I said to everyone, let's hope for the best! ^_^

Sorry it's a good thread and all but Hashirama and Madara compare to naruto and sasuke more than Sakura and ino

I think I've shown in the updated thread why the comparison/link has a strong basis.
But thanks, nevertheless! :)
 
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You keep assuming the reader is going to disagree because people hate Sakura through out this thread. This slightly put me off from reading it.
 

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I'd ignore the Sakura haters, liking or disliking her has absolutely nothing to do with Chatte's points. Logic is what's needed for this discussion. Logically, Sakura is 1 part of a 3 person story. Her relationship to Naruto and Sasuke, as well as her already being above most Ninja (She did beat Sasori after all, and is medically skilled to boot) leads me to think she will, indeed, recieve an upgrade just as Naru/Sas did.

Will it be an offensive, defensive, or medical upgrade remains to be seen though
 
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