Theory: Kishimoto foreshadowing Sakura development via Hashirama Senju.

[6ari8]

very interesting, I honestly never noticed!

 

[mareiyo]

Sakura sucked balls initially but she grew on me after the fight with puppet dude. The theory is credible... bordering In-credible

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

Very, very good theory. Always nice to see these kinds of theories :3
Sakura hasn't gotten much progress in part 2 either. To those doubting the theory, may I remind you how
thoroughly Kishimoto plans his writings? Obito has been Tobi and has always planned to have been him.
Regardless of how upset some people may be over that fact, anyone remember the second page of chapter 16?

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Kishi has made many subtle references to this as well, so I say why not?
Is there really such a small possibility that Sakura has some hidden ability?
She has to have been important in that way to have been trained by Tsunade, after all.
Maybe Tsunade knew this about her, and so she took her as a student? Maybe. You never know.

 

[Uzamaki Arlyss]

We all know why the 3rd put Sasuke and Naruto on the same team...One would only believe that Sakura's membership is very meaningful as well... In the beginning we thought the Uzamaki blood was singular but we now know of Nagato and Karin. It's no coincidence that team Kakashi was the all 3 of the Legenary Sannin. Sakura will excel in strength because she is trained by Tsunade but she could never surpass the 1st' Granddaughter unless she perhaps in some way is Senju or some distant bloodline to Senju as the Senju is to the Uzamaki!

*all 3 members of team Kakashi received tutelage from the 3 Sannin of Konoha.

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

But but, it's so funny to watch them try to connect the invisible dots that aren't even there.

You should analyze anything and everything. Why not be open minded enough to think about it?

 

[Chatte]

Ok, finally got to update the thread.
I'll handle the replies a bit later though as I am quite busy.
Anyway, thanks everyone for participating on this thread, nevertheless.
Highly appreciated! :hug:

LE: Dammit, I forgot to add two things!

 

[Ole]

It's amazing how well this is made, and how much time you've spent making this. And I think there is a small possibility you're right, but I just don't see it happening.

Also there is way easier to find relations when you're looking for them, even though they're not there. You've just found a small amount of similarities/links over the ENTIRE naruto storyline.

But then again, it might be

credz for your work!

 

[GeorgeLooney]

If you remember, Naruto had no one we knew that were related to him. But when we get into Part 2 we learn more of it. And besides before it was revealed that the Fourth Hokage Naruto's dad was Minato, we could see that they looked a lot alike. They knew Tsunade was Hashi's granddaughter because Hashi was ALIVE back then. They had to keep Minato's surname so people wouldn't know Naruto was his son.
If this war was about Jinchuurikis and *cough* *cough* Hokages, then why are Senjus and Uchihas so important? Anyway as I said before about the relative thing, the reason why it hasn't been given to us that Sakura could be related to Hashi is probably because we didn't know anything about Hashi yet.
Examples:
-When Obito turned out to be the guy behind the mask, there were a lot of hints that gave it away that it was him. Like his hair. The fact that the left side of his face was scarred.
-Some characters with red hair were known to be Uzumakis. This was revealed not a very long time ago.

All these character symbolisms turned out to be true. So it is likely to happen that Sakura is to be related to Hashi.

Ah you've mention Naruto and Minato's relationship, if you read the Manga from the first page you'll have a clue already or the story/plot obviously is suggesting something about the 4th Hokage. Naruto is main character so it is important to focus, hide, and build his character, it should be interesting at the same time intriguing... That's why you read Naruto right it is exciting. Tobi on the other hand is the main antagonist before the real Madara showed up, it is necessary for him to hide his identity because he is impersonating somebody else. It has something to do with the MAIN STORY itself. Their character is the channel of the "main" story. Others character development is for information purposes, in order for the reader to have a clearer picture of their personality and background. Just like what we're having right now. I hope you're getting what I am saying here.

Revelation of character/identity of course depends on the plot/story and has a "TIMING". We are currently at the climax of the manga and going to the end part. Imagine this... Sakura's character is a supporting role almost the same as Hinata Hyuga. A little bit above Gaara, and may be same level of Kakashi. In the current chapter if we'll have a revelation with the character of Hinata - you may say after the story of Hashirama... while Naruto/Kakashi/Guy/Bee is fighting Obito/Madara what is the implication in the current story? Yah your right you'll probably say WTF to Kishi right these flashback is unnecessary? If we're gonna have a character revelation with Kakashi - it is possible! if fact we are already anticipating it, because it has something to do with Tobi's character and they are in too much in current plot. What if kishi suddenly shift to character development to Gaara? Again WTF Kishi... So same thing with Sakura she had the spotlight during team 7 now She's not in focus, so it doesn't make sense to do a revelation with her character at this point. May be when they get old and Naruto manga is still not finish probably. But the way I see it, it is unlikely. I'll repeat what I have stated in previous post.

1. First and foremost there are no reason for Sakura's relationship with Hashirama or Tsunade be a "secret".
2. Tsunade is the grand daughter of the first Hokage, if she is related to Sakura then it will be reveal the first time Sakura appeared in the manga or when Tsunade met her. Every supporting character relations is reveal in Manga during character/plot development not in the climax/conclusion/end part. I mean there will be a part in manga that will provide hint that they are related specially during Sakura's character development and as Tsunade's pupil. It should be not later than the main character revelation who happens to be the focus of secrecy... (Naruto-Tobi-Madara of course any character development related with Sasuke-Kakashi-Hashirama will fall to main story line because they are related.) I mean Tsunade is old, she knows her relative for sure. Unless you have a case like Naruto which is by the way the story of Naruto Manga, she wouldn't know that Minato and Naruto are related because it was kept secret BUT SHE KNEW... SHE KNEW ALL ALONG...
3. No further upgrade is needed since the current war arc is a Dragonball Z fight style. Even if Sakura got an upgrade it would be meaningless, she should have a power of a tailed beast to matter.
4. Senju and Uchiha matter why? Have you read the manga from the start? Sasuke is an Uchiha and Naruto is a Senju, And the story is also about the quest of Naruto to win his friend "Sasuke" which happens to be an Uchiha. Remember when Tobi talk to Naruto about Senju and Uchiha, that a fight with Sasuke is inevitable due to Senju and Uchiha blood in them. The focus of the story is about them not about Sakura who you think will grab the spot light at the current plot due to drawing resemblance and not due to story line and plot.
5. Say we all agree with you, what if Sakura is a Senju and have Mokuton all along? What will it bring to the current story? Unless her Mokuton is strong enough to matter in the fight with Madara, enough to still the spotlight of Hashirama's Mokuton then it is valid. It's ok to upgrade Sakura and toss her in the current battle. Oh by the way her Sensei who happens to be the real grand daughter of Hashirama Senju is currently cut in half. She's a Senju alright a direct descendant of the 1st Hokage why would it be interesting to have another one?

OH BY THE WAY BEFORE I FORGOT... THE CIRCLE MARK ON HASHIRAMA'S FOREHEAD IS NOT RELATED TO BEING A SENJU. IT IS A SAGE ART MARKINGS... SO THE ARGUMENT SHOULD BE... Is Sakura a sage? Rather than Is Sakura a Senju?

 

[Chatte]

To make it clear once again, as it seems people got really confused.
When I said that foreshadowing via Hashirama Senju and that she is related/linked/associated I didn't meant that she is a blood relative or a descendant.
The foreshadowing is done via Hashirama Senju, meaning, traits, similarities, drawing patterns could refer to a potential upgrade for Sakura without having any blood connection to him!

Meaning, she might get potential medical skills comparable to him, as we saw his wounds in Sage Mode healed themselves, like Madara said to Tsuande, which happens to be similar to Byakugou and given the "newer generation surpasses the old one" that's where she will come into play.

Hope I made it clear. ^_^​

 

[Vegeta]

I understand she's been out of the lime light as of late, mainly for plot reasons at the moment, but I believe her being Tsunade's pupil and everyone getting an upgrade from training with their Sannin teacher's (ie; Sasuke-Oro, Naruto-J-man) will def. lead to an upgrade for her (and I'm not just talking about her increased defense/strength as seen against Sasori). There IS a reason that the 3 main characters from the get go were selectively trained by the 3 L.Sannin. I also think, perhaps Madara taunting Tsunade for not being as skilled as her Grandpa could also be foreshadowing of this as, like you stated, each gen. surpases the previous one.

It makes sense people, personal feelings aside, whether you like her or not doesn't matter. Reality is, she's a HUGE part of the plot since the beginning and will be in the next arc as well

 

[Chatte]

Now to catch-up.... Oh, God, I'm dying here! Somebody save me! :NO: LOL!
Anyway, as I previously said, though I am behind, I am really appreciating your contribution guys! It's really nice to have a discussion although we don't agree on everything or some of you even hate/dislike her, yet, we can still have a decent and polite discussion. That really makes me happy!
Thanks a bunch!

Now, getting down to business.

i like this thread however i believe it is just coincidence. when kakashi first trained them he stated how sakura has average chakra reservation but just has good control. I would expect mention of this for a foreshadow or relation.
I cant imagine her a power-up anytime soon other than her summoning snails. she hasnt had time to train further due to pein and preparing supplies for war.
Kishi left alot of things open, focusing on naruto and sasuke.

as for your pictures i see relation, but personality wise i don see a connection. sakura is scared in most fights as hashi gives off vibes of bravery and taking quick action. plus im sure i can find a picture of lee crying in the same pose too.

it would be cool for this to happen but maybe adult wise if anything.

Once again, may I remind you that he said she has normal chakra reserves. However, her control is what makes her excel. Now, as we've seen throughout the manga with Kakashi, since you mentioned him, chakra reserves can be solved by either working on your chakra consumption per jutsu or, since we're talking Sakura/Tsunade here, by storing your chakra.
Now imagine someone like Sakura that has excellent chakra control that can get the possibility to store that chakra. Given those two traits, those chakra reserves would be nothing but a ghost of the past for her. There are, at least in my opinion, minor problems.
And we're talking Kishi here. In order for the story to flow, he can pull something and voila! Problem solved.
As for that mention regarding chakra control, I did it today. Sorry, but I was really busy!
As for the power-up, you forget that out of them 3, Sakura was the fast learner. You have to show her once, a thing, and she gets it done.
That is a problem that in my opinion, it's quite minor to her. And between Pein Arc and War Arc, indeed, there was a short amount of time passing, however, if you remember, the preparations for war were done by the elders. 3 days in which Sakura could've had time to practice given her trait of learning fast. If Naruto, with his not so good chakra control was able to master Kyuubi mode in a day [or 3], if I recall correctly, what makes you think that Sakura, who was noted for her control, couldn't have done the same?
As for the pictures, no, there isn't as far as I remember. I've re-read the manga 5 times by now. Yes, everyone was crying, but not in the same pose. And sorry, Sakura is not scared in fights. That was part 1 Sakura you're talking about. Ever since then, in fights, she stopped crying. But anyway, as I said, we will see if something happens or not. ^_^

You're like comparing krillen to gulp super Sayian 4


Naruto have the same concept of Dbz

In Dbz days , you know what people was saying about krillen? The same as what tou're trying to do, you know what happened? Krillen got murdered at last of the show. Not trying to doin awfull by be excepting same senario soon

I know about the concept, however, you people tend to forget this is Kishi's story and although it is highly inspired from DBZ, Kishi also has his own ways. If it fits you to believe this, it's ok. It's the second time you come and say no, no, no.
I got the idea, so why do you need to repeat yourself although I said this might happen or not?
Don't you know I know what the chances are? That's why it's called a theory, you know?
Nothing is certain until further proof.

You can tell you put a lot of thought into this thread. You clearly have a good memory and your point of view is logical. unfortunately, it's also entirely possible that Kishi is simply not that original in his writing and illustrations. while i don't believe this to be true, necessarily, it is possible that he developed a few prototype characters and simply copies them as he adds an develops new characters.

Thank you, dear! As I said, previously, indeed, in the end all of this could mean nothing, seeing the patterns he follows, I truly believe that he has something up to his sleeve. Especially with the timing, the context, Sakura disappearing etc.
If I wouldn't have noticed all these things in Kishi, I wouldn't have done it at all, though, as we both agreed, in the end could mean nothing.

im glad you pointed out the symbol similarities bc i was thinking of the samething...but i still think your crazy for even putting hashi and sakura in the same sentence. I do believe it is possible that sakura is in some type of a secret clan that is related to hashi but if you are implying that sakura is gonna have a upgrade (like a sage mode or something) then i think you are talking out of your a**.

I just believe she is a normal girl, that's why I said Haruno symbol, not Haruno clan, because we don't know too much of that, anyway, however, what's with this putting Sakura and Hashi in the same sentence, lol?
I wonder if Hashirama wouldn't have been from a clan, yet, still he would've been a strong character, would people still be saying this? Just because it's Hashirama and just because Sakura is there it doesn't mean that it's impossible for this to happen. I wonder if people would have a different mind-set about her, would views change? It's strange how people accept the similarity of symbols yet, when it comes to personality traits they dismiss it just because we're talking about Sakura.
It's something like... How dare you compare Gucci with a no-name clothing company type of thing, you know? And reminds me about Jessie J's price tag song.
I mean, we put so much price on clothes and stuff like that when, in the end, we, as humans matter and what we do, our character, not the clothes we're wearing. Same here.
But meh, that's just me.
Anyway, thanks for contributing! ^_^

Her power up will be that she will be the one to truly master sage mode. Naruto has perfected frog sage mode, but as seen with Hashi, sage mode is more than just simply not turning into stone and gaining a little eye shadow, that marking on his head is obviously very important. She'll probably be able to enter it almost instantly too like hashi can. (Naruto and even Kurama take a long time to gather their sage chakra)

Remember Sakura has excellent chakra control. Which makes her perfect for Sage mode since you have to control sage chakra. Also, I bet that because of her regular chakra reserves being so average, it leaves a lot of room for a lot more nature chakra than other fighters, meaning she'll probably be able to bring in more nature chakra than naruto can. I'm pretty sure this is the route that Kishi will take with her.

Hmmm, interesting view you got there. I am indeed inclined myself to think that if she'll master some sort of Sage mode, it will have to do with the regenerative and healing abilities.
Well, we saw with Naruto and Kabuto, the requirements for Toad and Snake Sage mode.
I guess we'll find out about Slugs if there will be one or about Hashi's one and I guess that will clear a lot of things for us.
But, as I said, interesting view you got there. As for her chakra control, if it's the case as you said, I'm sure it will help a lot!

 

[schenka]

I like your theory. Not sure if it will happen this way or not, but it doesn't seem necessarily implausible. What I do hope is Sakura getting a power-up of some kind or doing something to show she has more to her than what most people think.

I guess we will have to keep waiting...

 

[Chatte]

I like your theory. Not sure if it will happen this way or not, but it doesn't seem necessarily implausible. What I do hope is Sakura getting a power-up of some kind or doing something to show she has more to her than what most people think.

I guess we will have to keep waiting...

Thank you, dear! Not sure as well, that's why it's just a simple theory. ^^'
In the end it's all based on some patterns that Kishi has that he can, in the end, quite break them and all this theory will mean nothing.
That's why I said it's better to wait and see what happens, but until then, to have a chit-chat based on it.

 

[Steaktacular]

Also, something that I think that should be said about Sakura in particular...

It would only make sense for her to have a bigger role (possibly around this time) because I feel she´s the only one out of former Team7 to lack self confidence or even having a big dream/aspiration. Sort of a chance to turn things more balanced, can´t really explain it well...

She´s one of the main characters after all.

Sorry for slight off-topic

 

[Rchan81]

To make it clear once again, as it seems people got really confused.
When I said that foreshadowing via Hashirama Senju and that she is related/linked/associated I didn't meant that she is a blood relative or a descendant.
The foreshadowing is done via Hashirama Senju, meaning, traits, similarities, drawing patterns could refer to a potential upgrade for Sakura without having any blood connection to him!

Meaning, she might get potential medical skills comparable to him, as we saw his wounds in Sage Mode healed themselves, like Madara said to Tsuande, which happens to be similar to Byakugou and given the "newer generation surpasses the old one" that's where she will come into play.

Hope I made it clear. ^_^​

So all the similarities/examples you want to believe, to justify a power-up for Sakura. You didn't need to link her to Hashirama, it's possible Sakura can get a power boost because she is one of the main characters in Naruto.

 

[Gaara4president]

That was a really good observation...now I'm a believer.

 

[Rikudo Naito]

Although I didn't read all about the topic. I would say your theory looks believable. And might be true. But if this were true I would've been kinda disappointed. Coz I always thought that Naruto has the same personality as Hashi. Now you say Sakura. Even if she is his descendent. To me that would be a "Wha~~~...Sigh.." Something like tht. But nice theory nonetheless. As expected from a moderator. =)

 

[fadyhassan]

Although I didn't read all about the topic. I would say your theory looks believable. And might be true. But if this were true I would've been kinda disappointed. Coz I always thought that Naruto has the same personality as Hashi. Now you say Sakura. Even if she is his descendent. To me that would be a "Wha~~~...Sigh.." Something like tht. But nice theory nonetheless. As expected from a moderator. =)

There is a lot of people who have the same personality naruto and sakura both similar to kushina too. Naruto also similar to hashirama but sakura similar to the medical ninjutsu and maybe slugs too and the fact she is his granddaughter student .

 

[beast7960]

Sakura has no characteristics that senju have, which is strong life force and large chakra pools. They're not related, if she gets a power up it's because she's supposed to be one of the main characters.

 

[MissShakra]

beautiful as always chatte!! <3

ever since we first saw that symbol, it reminded me of sakura's symbol!! she is just a normal girl which makes her feats even better, just like rock lee and hinata. they are hard workers who earned their talent and wasnt born with it or given it. it would really be pointless to throw in some of these obvious correlations between characters if they werent relavent (like showing naruto, sasuke, and sakura with the toad hawk and slug) or showing their symbols clearly in beginning or even having hinata say she would be holding naruto's hand (i dont think that hints romance but it happened so either way it was foreshadowed very obviously lol)

i cant wait to see sakura shine!! i think itll be closer to the time sasuke gets directly involved though. theres still quite the love triangle to clear up so i think itll be a while still, but will happen! slug mode! smash madara/sasuke's face! super healing power! something