[THEORY] Kaguya's black goo and advisor is dat boss Hamura

[Rabbit Teth]

i wonder where madara saw the heiroglyphs of that and of kaguya eating the fruit? thats not on the stone tablet unless its like a vision it gives the reader..maybe a temple?

Tobi explained back in the day that the better the dojutsu you had the more you could read of the tablet. Given that Hashirama seems to have understood the correct message written on the tablet by the Sage I'm guessing that those hieroglyphs are visions left by BZ just for those with the right eyes.

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[Mateush]

By the way, because I'm a bit irritated because of lack of nictione temporarily. So not easy to recall all old panels. Please help me if you recall any panel with old flashback (Kaguya's vision) Hagoromo with both hands? Or just the "sun" one?

If in that case. Then it's possible Hamura had "half moon" in his left hand by then. When Hagoromo sealed Juubi+Kaguya+Hamura so he got his power as well, perhaps?

Help me thanks

Tobi explained back in the day that the better the dojutsu you had the more you could read of the tablet. Given that Hashirama seems to have understood the correct message written on the tablet by the Sage I'm guessing that those hieroglyphs are visions left by BZ just for those with the right eyes.

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Plausible.

 

[Leinad Sotam]

Well made theory +rep , I think you thought a little out of the box by saying BZ is Hamura which I doubt he is, of course Hamura has to make an appearance down the road and we don´t know almost anything about him like, if he is good or bad and is his knowledge and what he has to say but, none the less great theory.
Loved your analogy with the Matrix

 

[Rabbit Teth]

By the way, because I'm a bit irritated because of lack of nictione temporarily. So not easy to recall all old panels. Please help me if you recall any panel with old flashback (Kaguya's vision) Hagoromo with both hands? Or just the "sun" one?

If in that case. Then it's possible Hamura had "half moon" in his left hand by then. When Hagoromo sealed Juubi+Kaguya+Hamura so he got his power as well, perhaps?

Help me thanks

There's this which is a figure fighting the Juubi with just the Sun end to the staff

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I wrote a theory on the basis that it was Asura fighting his father who turned into a second Juubi before he died (hence why the Gedo Mazo looks so much like Hagoromo). Questionable theory though...

Or there's this:

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Which is the Sage with both Sun and Moon Seals on his hands as a sort of Celestial Buddha.

Are either of those what you're looking for?

 

[Mateush]

Well made theory +rep , I think you thought a little out of the box by saying BZ is Hamura which I doubt he is, of course Hamura has to make an appearance down the road and we don´t know almost anything about him like, if he is good or bad and is his knowledge and what he has to say but, none the less great theory.
Loved your analogy with the Matrix

Didn't notice your post sorry. Repped you too. Thanks.

There's this which is a figure fighting the Juubi with just the Sun end to the staff

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I wrote a theory on the basis that it was Asura fighting his father who turned into a second Juubi before he died (hence why the Gedo Mazo looks so much like Hagoromo). Questionable theory though...

Or there's this:

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Which is the Sage with both Sun and Moon Seals on his hands as a sort of Celestial Buddha.

Are either of those what you're looking for?

Thanks. That old flashback panel is very interesting, indeed and could actually be true. Only "sun" on his staff, but not the "half moon". And with Kaguya's flashback as I recall correctly so there was just a panel with Hagoromo with his "sun" hand. I don't think there are any more panels from such flashbacks of him with both "sun" and "half moon".

 

[Rabbit Teth]

Didn't notice your post sorry. Repped you too. Thanks.
Thanks. That old flashback panel is very interesting, indeed and could actually be true. Only "sun" on his staff, but not the "half moon". And with Kaguya's flashback as I recall correctly so there was just a panel with Hagoromo with his "sun" hand. I don't think there are any more panels from such flashbacks of him with both "sun" and "half moon".

He definitely had Sun and Moon when he fought the original Juubi

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As a side note - another character has something close to the Sun marking on his hand

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Probably means something but we'll probably only find out what if/when they ever get to Ryuchido.

 

[Leinad Sotam]

Didn't notice your post sorry. Repped you too. Thanks.

No problem, thank you !

 

[Mateush]

He definitely had Sun and Moon when he fought the original Juubi

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As a side note - another character has something close to the Sun marking on his hand

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Probably means something but we'll probably only find out what if/when they ever get to Ryuchido.

Yeah there was a scene with him and Hamura. By then Hagoromo had "half moon" on his staff at least. Why, I wonder?

 

[Rabbit Teth]

Yeah there was a scene with him and Hamura. By then Hagoromo had "half moon" on his staff at least. Why, I wonder?

My thinking was that Hagoromo always carries the Sun and Moon Staff because he represents balance. The message that Hashirama read on the Naka Shrine Tablet was that opposing forces working together in harmony can achieve great things. Hagoromo embodies that principle.

I think when we see figures carrying one or other end on its own that it signifies the bearer is a host to either Asura or Indra who each represent only Sun or Moon. At least that was the basis of the theory. Explaining why Obito only had the Sun end to the Staff was what I was trying to explain with this:

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What makes you think Hagoromo would ever have anything other than both ends?

 

[Mateush]

My thinking was that Hagoromo always carries the Sun and Moon Staff because he represents balance. The message that Hashirama read on the Naka Shrine Tablet was that opposing forces working together in harmony can achieve great things. Hagoromo embodies that principle.

I think when we see figures carrying one or other end on its own that it signifies the bearer is a host to either Asura or Indra who each represent only Sun or Moon. At least that was the basis of the theory. Explaining why Obito only had the Sun end to the Staff was what I was trying to explain with this:

Spoiler

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What makes you think Hagoromo would ever have anything other than both ends?

Now I get it when I think back to all old flashbacks about him. He started using only the sun staff afterwards he chosen Ashura as his successor. But recently he realised that he should also use Yin, hence he changed his staff to sun and half moon as well. Finally both Ashura and Indra (Naruto and Sasuke) are both successors and has the potential to finally end this conflict.

Probably nothing with Hamura to do in this case then, despite there's a very tiny possibility about Hamura had half-moon on his left hand, but doutbtful. We shall wait and see, I guess.

Btw: Will read your thread soon. Finally got mine nicotine now, need to relax

 

[seanmadison]

This is such a poorly written "their" that you hardly get any point across,

if you want though, I did agree/speculate as well that black zetsu is some form of hamura as well.

 

[Mateush]

This is such a poorly written "their" that you hardly get any point across,

if you want though, I did agree/speculate as well that black zetsu is some form of hamura as well.

Is that supposed to be meant to insult me and credit yourself?