[Theory] Kaguya had sharingan first, not the tree

[Troyg39]

I would just like to throw a possibility out there that I don't think many have considered.

After today's chapter, many have interpreted that Kaguya originally wielded the byakugan and got the sharingan after eating the tree. I don't think it's the case.

I think Kaguya originally had the byakugan and the sharingan. I believe that the juubi actually got the sharingan from her. I'll explain.

First off, and I'm well aware that this could just be a drawing error, but Kaguya was shown with that slit on her head while Hagoromo was telling her story. She was shown with it, however, before he had even gotten to the part of her eating the fruit.

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I believe she needed the power of the fruit for her Infinite Tsukuyomi plan. As Hagoromo explained, chakra is used to connect people. And also, Tsukuyomi is a jutsu that use their power while keeping them alive. I think Kaguya needed to eat the fruit in order to gain the power necessary to launch a wide scale Tsukuyomi without killing those trapped in the genjutsu. She is probably the one who first distributed chakra from the tree out to others, simply to give the power to be self sustainable while trapped in tsukuyomi. It is also possible that by eating the fruit, she gained the power to temporarily control the tree, also aiding in her ability to keep them trapped via the roots.

Now this raises the question "why does the tree have the sharingan?" I think the tree got the sharingan by devouring Kaguya. Something note worthy to point out; the original god tree and the juubi aren't exactly the same thing. The juubi is the incarnation of the tree, as said by Hagoromo

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I think that the tree, in an effort to regain it's chakra, incarnated itself into a demon, the juubi, and sucked the power of those connected to the tree. Kaguya was one of those people. When the tree did this, it gained access to Kaguya's greatest power, her sharingan, which is why the incarnation has it. This event must've taken place after Kaguya had children which passed on some chakra that was inside of her, which is why the incarnation ended up coming after the kids. In fact, it is possible that the tree turned into the juubi after devouring Kaguya. I will also point out that Hagoromo and his brother were grown men when the juubi came after them, which again suggests that it, if it did kill Kaguya, incarnated quite some time after their birth. Their mother would've been older and probably weak enough to be overtaken by then.

There are many possible scenarios and nothing is proven, as I said this is merely a theory, but personally, the main thing I believe is that Kaguya was the original wielder of both eye powers. At least I hope this is the case, as it would make for a more interesting part of the story imo

 

[stinkey]

she has the byakugan (stated in the manga) but then awakened the rinnigan-sharingan eye

 

[rollin]

i think she got them both from the shinju tree

 

[EPICMenma]

She had byakugan but after eating the fruit of holy tree, she awakened Sharingan. holy of tree had Sharingan first.

 

[MMaElite]

I have a theory that suggest the fruit turned her into the 10 tails.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Good theory. Im going with Kaguya got sharingan naturally.

 

[Sir Blades]

Nope she had the Byakugan and when she the the fruit she got that godly eye on her forehead.

 

[-Drāke-]

Nope she had the Byakugan and when she the the fruit she got that godly eye on her forehead.

So she had the byagukan that revolves around chakra before she had chakra, okay

 

[Prime Rib]

I would just like to throw a possibility out there that I don't think many have considered.

After today's chapter, many have interpreted that Kaguya originally wielded the byakugan and got the sharingan after eating the tree. I don't think it's the case.

I think Kaguya originally had the byakugan and the sharingan. I believe that the juubi actually got the sharingan from her. I'll explain.

First off, and I'm well aware that this could just be a drawing error, but Kaguya was shown with that slit on her head while Hagoromo was telling her story. She was shown with it, however, before he had even gotten to the part of her eating the fruit.

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I believe she needed the power of the fruit for her Infinite Tsukuyomi plan. As Hagoromo explained, chakra is used to connect people. And also, Tsukuyomi is a jutsu that use their power while keeping them alive. I think Kaguya needed to eat the fruit in order to gain the power necessary to launch a wide scale Tsukuyomi without killing those trapped in the genjutsu. She is probably the one who first distributed chakra from the tree out to others, simply to give the power to be self sustainable while trapped in tsukuyomi. It is also possible that by eating the fruit, she gained the power to temporarily control the tree, also aiding in her ability to keep them trapped via the roots.

Now this raises the question "why does the tree have the sharingan?" I think the tree got the sharingan by devouring Kaguya. Something note worthy to point out; the original god tree and the juubi aren't exactly the same thing. The juubi is the incarnation of the tree, as said by Hagoromo

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I think that the tree, in an effort to regain it's chakra, incarnated itself into a demon, the juubi, and sucked the power of those connected to the tree. Kaguya was one of those people. When the tree did this, it gained access to Kaguya's greatest power, her sharingan, which is why the incarnation has it. This event must've taken place after Kaguya had children which passed on some chakra that was inside of her, which is why the incarnation ended up coming after the kids. In fact, it is possible that the tree turned into the juubi after devouring Kaguya. I will also point out that Hagoromo and his brother were grown men when the juubi came after them, which again suggests that it, if it did kill Kaguya, incarnated quite some time after their birth. Their mother would've been older and probably weak enough to be overtaken by then.

There are many possible scenarios and nothing is proven, as I said this is merely a theory, but personally, the main thing I believe is that Kaguya was the original wielder of both eye powers. At least I hope this is the case, as it would make for a more interesting part of the story imo

you clearly are ignorant and have not even read the manga.

Chakra originates from the 10 tails. she eat the fruit thus she gain the ability to use chakra etc. she did not have neither tell she eat the fruit

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

It makes sense to a degree..and seems to account for the 'slit' on her forehead..
i acutally have had a similar enquiry b4

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it might be the case that the fruit's chakra activated those dojutsu

 

[KingHashirama]

both were gained from the fruit. People here do realize it literally impossible for her to have a kkg.. prior to the fruit... just saying.

 

[Troyg39]

Nope she had the Byakugan and when she the the fruit she got that godly eye on her forehead.

You could definitely be right, but it was never stated as such in the manga. Only something people assumed. Time will tell

She had byakugan but after eating the fruit of holy tree, she awakened Sharingan. holy of tree had Sharingan first.

The original tree wasn't shown with the sharingan, the incarnation of the tree, which appeared much, much later, was shown with it. You could be right but we'll see

she has the byakugan (stated in the manga) but then awakened the rinnigan-sharingan eye

It was never stated in the manga that she awakened the sharingan after eating the fruit. Even when Hagaromo mentioned that she had the sharingan, he never said she got it from the tree. He simply said she had sharingan in addition to the byakugan.

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You would think that by now he would've pointed out that the sharingan was the power that came from the tree, but he hasn't. Time will tell though

 

[Prime Rib]

both were gained from the fruit. People here do realize it literally impossible for her to have a kkg.. prior to the fruit... just saying.

indeed people dont realize they need chakra to use them dojutsu and where did the chakra come from? the 10 tails and how did chakra spread? thanks to kaguya the sage mother.

 

[KingHashirama]

indeed people dont realize they need chakra to use them dojutsu and where did the chakra come from? the 10 tails and how did chakra spread? thanks to kaguya the sage mother.

exactly. All the sage said was that she not only had the byakugan but the sharingan itself also. X_X . But man people take it into whole another concept.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

indeed people dont realize they need chakra to use them dojutsu and where did the chakra come from? the 10 tails and how did chakra spread? thanks to kaguya the sage mother.

true....but still kaguya could have those eyes physically ....its just that their abilities were unlocked after she had eaten the fruit which gave her chakra

 

[scorezor]

you know what... i hate viz and do you know what i hate more? LONG ASS TEXT , WALL OF TEXTS , is not that i didn't made one or some already , but god damn it , just be direct lol.

 

[Troyg39]

you clearly are ignorant and have not even read the manga.

Chakra originates from the 10 tails. she eat the fruit thus she gain the ability to use chakra etc. she did not have neither tell she eat the fruit

No, I didn't even read the manga. Even though during Hagoromo's explanation of his mother's origins, she is clearly depicted as having the byakugan before he even mentions her gaining power from the tree. There's also the fact that she's not from this land as stated by him, so it's possible she's not even human.

But no, I didn't read the manga. So you're right

both were gained from the fruit. People here do realize it literally impossible for her to have a kkg.. prior to the fruit... just saying.

There's a good chance, as indicated by Hagoromo, that she doesn't follow the regular humanly ninja kkg rules because she may not even be from the same land. But time will tell, this was only an opinion

you know what... i hate viz and do you know what i hate more? LONG ASS TEXT , WALL OF TEXTS , is not that i didn't made one or some already , but god damn it , just be direct lol.

Will try harder to do so next time

 

[Prime Rib]

No, I didn't even read the manga. Even though during Hagoromo's explanation of his mother's origins, she is clearly depicted as having the byakugan before he even mentions her gaining power from the tree. There's also the fact that she's not from this land as stated by him, so it's possible she's not even human.

But no, I didn't read the manga. So you're right



There's a good chance, as indicated by Hagoromo, that she doesn't follow the regular humanly ninja kkg rules because she may not even be from the same land. But time will tell, this was only an opinion

Will try harder to do so next time

she was shown in a story from madara perspective of eating the fruit and gaining chakra, and even the sage of 6 paths states the same thing about her eating the fruit and gaining abillites/chakra. her orgins are irrlevant according to the sage the main point is she was neither born or had the dojutsu before eating the fruit. she gain chakra thus the extension dojutsu after that for you need chakra to use and even unlock some special bloodline jutsu

 

[Troyg39]

she was shown in a story from madara perspective of eating the fruit and gaining chakra, and even the sage of 6 paths states the same thing about her eating the fruit and gaining abillites/chakra. her orgins are irrlevant according to the sage the main point is she was neither born or had the dojutsu before eating the fruit. she gain chakra thus the extension dojutsu after that for you need chakra to use and even unlock some special bloodline jutsu

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You do realize that chakra is not the ONLY way to get things done right? Humans have always had spiritual and physical energy long before they had chakra. Ever heard of yin release and yang release? You don't need chakra to do that, in fact you need the two of those in order mold chakra for ninjutsu in the first place. Yin release also governs a lot of genjutsu, so yes it is possible that she already had the sharingan and was able to use Tsukuyomi via her spiritual energy before ever having chakra. She just could not do so on the scale that she needed, which is why she possibly went after the chakra of the tree

 

[Rhythm]

Maybe she already had the byakugan and unlocked that shinju sharigan after eating the fruit.