Theory: How the Current Narutoverse came about

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The statment: the Sage created All ninjutsu must be false.
The knowledge about blood-line ninjutsus and secondary elements is fragmented, not united. Which means that it was created in different ages and different places.

So what the sage had was the basic 5 elements. This along with his teaching of the ninja way...brought about shinobi on a whole. but according to these two pictures, it seems that only the younger son kept to his father's teaching being that he is wearing a headband.

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The sage most likely passed on his teachings of ninjutsu to both sons...but the elemental fusion had to start somewhere.
The sharingan has the ability to copy any ninjutsu as long as it's basic, no KG's or 2nd elements. The rinnegan on the other hand is able to use all 5 elements but just like the sharingan...it's limited to basic. Now given that, it would make sense to say that a owner of the SO6P body + abilities (younger son) could use/create any blood line power.

This must have been the advantage in his fight against the older son. We've already seen how elemental fusions and KG's counter the techniques wielded by the eyes.

Now i want to make a point clear:
The Sage of six paths would lose to the current Naruto Generation.

Proof of that?

1) They will defeat the Juubi...something the sage couldn't do.
2) The sage has no knowledge of any ninjutsu beyond the 5 basic elements.
3) Creation of all things = I can create anything i think about.
If that was true the sage would've defeated the juubi. That imply's that CoAT has limitations.

Lets follow along the story starting with...The Younger son. He must have began teaching the Basic elements to surrounding nations, and thus even more elemental fusion began via experimentation. The segregation of Fusions stayed within their specific families -> clans -> Ninja villages.

The older son (as opposed to the younger son his descendants remained most pure aka married within the clan):

His doujutsu was watered down to the sharingan...here's my take on it. Complex, but explained.

Older son = OS
Juubi's influence = Foul Evil/bad and the Sharingan, it's doujutsu.


OS must have had some Senju in him from the So6P + Juubi's direct influence (sharingan) on the Rinnegan (sage's eyes) turning it "swirly" (bare in mind DNA watering down as more children are produced).

If OS had a son, OS-2 (with unknown woman), that son would have a just a little Senju from his dad (OS) + Rinnegan minus Juubi's direct influence => The Rinngan...some what like nagato.

I'll pause here to explain. Even though the Juubi's direct influence is gone, it is still present...just, indirectly.

If OS-2 had a son, OS-3 (with unknow woman), that son would have No senju dna so juubi's indirect influence takes over => EMS

If OS-3 had a son, OS-4 (with unknown woman), the Juubi's indirect influence would be slightly watered down because of the womans DNA => MS

And so on => 3 tomoe sharingan => 2 tomoe sharingan => 1 tomoe sharingan => 0

Now note...to advance back up the scale, you need to do things to increase the juubi's influence:

1) To awaken it: It is only first unlocked under some stressful or emotional condition - something bad.

2) + life/death situations => 2-3 tomoe. - also something bad

3) Mangekyo Sharingan: Kill a friend - even more bad

4) Eternal MS: Take your brother's eyes! that would kill them though. - Worst than MS

5) Rinnegan: Senju DNA + Life/Death Situation. Uchiha and senju are eternal rivals. This is basically, killing your arch enemy and taking some of their flesh - This is horrible!

6) Swirly eye: Now you have the rinnegan, Summon the juubi...put it together and become it's host so it can influence your eyes! - basically what obito meant by "ultimate" level here (bottom left panels):

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You see the swirly eyes are potentially more dangerous than the Rinngan...because they have the juubi's influence.

This is just my theory, if you see anything wrong I'd love to hear.
 
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I think the rinnegan are also the juubi's influence.

But yeah, SO6P didn't create every ninjutsu. Just the basics and ppl expanded on it
 

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1. Not all the clans descend from the SO6P.
2. Shinobi sect was a religion aka meaning more followers aka clans forming
:D

Sharingan theory is wrong:

Can be unlocked through training (like Itachi) or etc.
MS : emotionalism and etc (Obito/Kakashi)
EMS: taking a another MS user's eye ^_^

Rinnegan : God eye

The Juubi's eye hasn't shown anything special ;d Its just there.
 

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1. Not all the clans descend from the SO6P.
2. Shinobi sect was a religion aka meaning more followers aka clans forming
:D

Sharingan theory is wrong:

Can be unlocked through training (like Itachi) or etc.
MS : emotionalism and etc (Obito/Kakashi)
EMS: taking a another MS user's eye ^_^

Rinnegan : God eye

The Juubi's eye hasn't shown anything special ;d Its just there.
I didn't say all clans come from the SO6P. read again. The manga never specified how itachi got his Sharingan, and In obito's and kakashi's case it involved killing a friend.

The Juubi's eye will play some role, am sure.


I think the rinnegan are also the juubi's influence.

But yeah, SO6P didn't create every ninjutsu. Just the basics and ppl expanded on it

I doubt the R is Juubi's influence. how do you come by that?
 

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I didn't say all clans come from the SO6P. read again. The manga never specified how itachi got his Sharingan, and In obito's and kakashi's case it involved killing a friend.

"create any bloodline powers".. Also, some KKG your just born with Mokuton, Ice , and etc for example.
Obito saw his friend getting killed , didn't kill her , himself. And Itachi's hasn't shown to be like that.
 

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"create any bloodline powers".. Also, some KKG your just born with Mokuton, Ice , and etc for example.
Obito saw his friend getting killed , didn't kill her , himself. And Itachi's hasn't shown to be like that.

Show me a scan that says hashirama was born with Mokuton, and Haku with Ice.

:sy: Kakshi killed Rin the exact moment obito got there to see it happen. That would force the MS in kakashi's eye to awaken and parallel to that, obito's eye to also awaken. You still fail to prove that Itachi awakened his Sharingan during training.
 

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Lol After the first spoiler I gave up hope on this thread.
 

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Show me a scan that says hashirama was born with Mokuton, and Haku with Ice.

:sy: Kakshi killed Rin the exact moment obito got there to see it happen. That would force the MS in kakashi's eye to awaken and parallel to that, obito's eye to also awaken. You still fail to prove that Itachi awakened his Sharingan during training.
His Dna is a proof.... lol. Its all in his Dna dawg. And Haku was born with the ability to use Ice remember, thats why he was caste out or etc.

Well the Itachi part was just me tryna make a smart assumption. >_> JUST LIKE YOU.
now ONOKI on the other hand learned his KKG .
 

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the sage didn't create ninjutsu he was the first one to divine the true meaning of chakra
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and he supposedly could use any technique if he wanted
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and i think what he meant by magnifying his eyes powers is the juubi's eye
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i think that the swirly pattern is the first ems
 
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the sage didn't create ninjutsu he was the first one to divine the true meaning of chakra
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and he supposedly could use any technique if he wanted
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and i think what he meant by magnifying his eyes powers is the juubi's eye
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i think that the swirly pattern is the first ems

1st spoiler: That Religion was basic ninjutsu, taijutsu and supposedly genjutsu...it is the foundation of current ninja techniques. So technically i'm still correct.

2n'd spoiler: The sage couldn't have used techniques that didn't exist. The scan is reffering to the present. One of the R abilities is to use all basic 5 elements. Theoretically he could used any ninjutsu....so could nagato. One cannot perform elemental fusions that do not exist/that they have not learned...rinnegan or not.

3rd spoiler: Actually, no. That comes after he gets his eyes to the ultimate level.
 

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1st spoiler: That Religion was basic ninjutsu, taijutsu and supposedly genjutsu...it is the foundation of current ninja techniques. So technically i'm still correct.

2n'd spoiler: The sage couldn't have used techniques that didn't exist. The scan is reffering to the present. One of the R abilities is to use all basic 5 elements. Theoretically he could used any ninjutsu....so could nagato. One cannot perform elemental fusions that do not exist/that they have not learned...rinnegan or not.

3rd spoiler: Actually, no. That comes after he gets his eyes to the ultimate level.

the elder son's eyes is just an ems
read my theory and then come up with a conclusion afterwards
 

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the elder son's eyes is just an ems
read my theory and then come up with a conclusion afterwards
Can't be. You thread doesn't have enough physical proof. It's easier to believe that the Swirly eye is a combinaton of the Juubi's influence and the Rinnegan...being that the elder son was to get the Sage's eyes (pure rinnegan). The juubi's chakra altered it causing a mutation.
 

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Can't be. You thread doesn't have enough physical proof. It's easier to believe that the Swirly eye is a combinaton of the Juubi's influence and the Rinnegan...being that the elder son was to get the Sage's eyes (pure rinnegan). The juubi's chakra altered it causing a mutation.

What do you think will happen if the older son got the younger sons DNA?
The younger son has the body stamina and physical energies the older didn't inherit it
 

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What do you think will happen if the older son got the younger sons DNA?
The younger son has the body stamina and physical energies the older didn't inherit it

He already has some of his brother's DNA....They came from the same father.
 
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