[Theory]Establishing How Madara Survived In The Valley Of End

[scorezor]

Madara didn't have chakra to activate his Sharingan any more. So he was stabbed before activating Izanagi. He most likely waited to have enough chakra and use it to escape the stab. Obito himself still had the wounds from Konan despite using Izanagi but he replaced them with Hashirama's DNA.

Madara simply did the same thing.



I don't care which part you read considering you're the same 1diot who says Obito is Madara...lmao. And now you're butthurt because i disagree with Sozo's theory stupid theory.

okay... calm down. that isn't true.

 

[Bronze]

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Izanagi does make wounds and death seems like a mere dream - Obito....

You seem to be misunderstanding of how the jutsu works. Let me explain it to you.

Izanagi makes the wounds look like dream when its activated [

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] as result, the injuries of the latter are real [

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] hence why the scratch in Danzo's left arm did not become an illusion when Susanoo scratched him.

Hence why Obito's injuries did not heal even with Izanagi activated [

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] although he survived the death from the 6 billion explosive [

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] and that was because he activated Izanagi.

Get it?

 

[Ahmed1993]

You seem to be misunderstanding of how the jutsu works. Let me explain it to you.

Izanagi makes the wounds look like dream when its activated [

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], however when the jutsu is not [

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] as result, the injuries of the latter are real [

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] hence why the scratch in Danzo's left arm did not become an illusion when Susanoo scratched him.

Hence why Obito's injuries did not heal even with Izanagi activated [

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] although he survived the death from the 6 billion explosive [

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] and that was because he activated Izanagi.

Get it?

You convinced me bro ! too bad i can't rep you

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

I really don't care but I would like to know

 

[Osagyefo]

Madara didn't have chakra to activate his Sharingan any more. So he was stabbed before activating Izanagi. He most likely waited to have enough chakra and use it to escape the stab. Obito himself still had the wounds from Konan despite using Izanagi but he replaced them with Hashirama's DNA.

Madara simply did the same thing.

@ bold 1 - Speculation
@bold 2 - Obito sustained those attacks way before he used Izanagi (when he tried to warp Konan)

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[Kαmi]

Can't say I agree. While I do agree Izanagi can be used without Senju DNA, I don't think EMS would allow the Izanagi user to retain their eyes in the same way prior to using it. I just feel like Itachi would have mentioned such a thing to Sasuke while saying Izanagi and Izanami costs the user's eye to use it. When Itachi is referring to Eternal light, I believe he is just talking about how MS users lose their light as they go blind. Izanami seals the eye while Izanagi closes the eye, it's a little different than gradually losing light like MS does.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Ems allows u to spam AMA izanagi and izanami

 

[Bronze]

But if he used Izanagi , why he still have that wound ?

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I personally think that he used Muu's technique.

Because Izanagi was activated after he took the wound. It only heals when the jutsu activated before taking the hit.

@ bold 1 - Speculation
@bold 2 - Obito sustained those attacks way before he used Izanagi (when he tried to warp Konan)

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That's what i basically said and you tried to deny it until i shut your mouth up.

Can't say I agree. While I do agree Izanagi can be used without Senju DNA, I don't think EMS would allow the Izanagi user to retain their eyes in the same way prior to using it. I just feel like Itachi would have mentioned such a thing to Sasuke while saying Izanagi and Izanami costs the user's eye to use it. When Itachi is referring to Eternal light, I believe he is just talking about how MS users lose their light as they go blind. Izanami seals the eye while Izanagi closes the eye, it's a little different than gradually losing light like MS does.

Well he didn't mention allowing anyone to speculate it. While Izanagi takes the eyesight of those who use it, at the same time, EMS keeps the eyesight no matter what. So both side have contradiction to each other.

Ems allows u to spam AMA izanagi and izanami

Okay.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Because Izanagi was activated after he took the wound. It only heals when the jutsu activated before taking the hit.



That's what i basically said and you tried to deny it until i shut your mouth up.



Well he didn't mention allowing anyone to speculate it. While Izanagi takes the eyesight of those who use it, at the same time, EMS keeps the eyesight no matter what. So both side have contradiction to each other.



Okay.

I know , that's why i made a thread about it :

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[Kαmi]

Well he didn't mention allowing anyone to speculate it. While Izanagi takes the eyesight of those who use it, at the same time, EMS keeps the eyesight no matter what. So both side have contradiction to each other.

True it's indeed speculation on both parts as from him not mentioning around Sasuke who he noticed gained EMS, it lead me to think the two kinjutsus were not an exception, that's my reasoning behind it. But because of the contradiction, both of are points are solid but mute. Hopefully Madara mentions it to Hashirama, rubbing it in his face about surviving or something like that. Madara's survival is extremely vague.

 

[Bronze]

True it's indeed speculation on both parts as from him not mentioning around Sasuke who he noticed gained EMS, it lead me to think the two kinjutsus were not an exception, that's my reasoning behind it. But because of the contradiction, both of are points are solid but mute. Hopefully Madara mentions it to Hashirama, rubbing it in his face about surviving or something like that. Madara's survival is extremely vague.

I would love to hear Madara's explanation of how he survived. This is just meant to be a theory nothing more.

I know , that's why i made a thread about it :

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You didn't have to but i guess its good for that person i replied to.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Excellent theory and I really enjoyed reading it , everything is fine...

But I can't see EMS user spamming Izanagi... it is too hax and Kishi would not allow for that. Unless Kishi will pull explanation like one of these :

1) EMS allows user to use Izanagi only once in the life without sacrificing eye or
2) EMS allows user to use Izanagi without sacrificing eye but then EMS user can not do that for quite a long time... It would be long time break between use of Izanagi due to EMS restoring it's Eternal light after using it.

3) Also maybe Izanagi indeed closes EMS eye as well... but not eternally and along with flow of time The eye is reopening/restoring it's light until it will be opened fully again. It could be nice explanation.

However in my own opinion I believe that Madara used one of his unrevealed yet Mangenkyou techniques which are required for Sussano...

Of course my bet could be on some type of Genjutsu technique. I imagine this technique as Mugen Tsukyiomii but on much smaller scale... simply It allows user to decide what can be considered as truth(Madara's wound) but at the same time removing all remaining parts of the battle....

To be honest The Izanagi theory with one of mine explanation seems to be more interesting and believable but Madara's would not get wounded even if he wished for this injury to stay with him so he can implant Senjuu DNA in this wound to latter gains Rinnegan. However Kishi does everything in purpouse and we haven't see yet any of two techniques awoken with MS along with Sussano... it can be hint and reason why it was not shown yet.

I won't exclude MS Madara's technique as well.

 

[Ahmed1993]

Excellent theory and I really enjoyed reading it , everything is fine...

But I can't see EMS user spamming Izanagi... it is too hax and Kishi would not allow for that. Unless Kishi will pull explanation like one of these :

1) EMS allows user to use Izanagi only once in the life without sacrificing eye or
2) EMS allows user to use Izanagi without sacrificing eye but then EMS user can not do that for quite a long time... It would be long time break between use of Izanagi due to EMS restoring it's Eternal light after using it.

3) Also maybe Izanagi indeed closes EMS eye as well... but not eternally and along with flow of time The eye is reopening/restoring it's light until it will be opened fully again. It could be nice explanation.

However in my own opinion I believe that Madara used one of his unrevealed yet Mangenkyou techniques which are required for Sussano...

Of course my bet could be on some type of Genjutsu technique. I imagine this technique as Mugen Tsukyiomii but on much smaller scale... simply It allows user to decide what can be considered as truth(Madara's wound) but at the same time removing all remaining parts of the battle....

To be honest The Izanagi theory with one of mine explanation seems to be more interesting and believable but Madara's would not get wounded even if he wished for this injury to stay with him so he can implant Senjuu DNA in this wound to latter gains Rinnegan. However Kishi does everything in purpouse and we haven't see yet any of two techniques awoken with MS along with Sussano... it can be hint and reason why it was not shown yet.

I won't exclude MS Madara's technique as well.

Agreed on most part.
But for the last part , read this :

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[Naijakid]

Madara had help as simple as that

 

[Senju Bean]

But that's not anything new.