[Theory] EMS more OP than we thought? (Current manga related)

[TheTailedSage]

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I was thinking about it and wouldn't it be safe to say that Madara can Use Izanami and Izanagi without the consequence of loosing the EMS? The fact that EMS stops the user from going blind and Nami and Nagi make you loose sight in one eye in itself is a Paradox but a paradox that is negated by the effects of EMS.

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Because there have only been two users of EMS we cant say that it "cant" be used because quite frankly the proof says otherwise. EMS in the manga was originally referred to as permanent mangekyou sharingan

✔ Madara has Both Senju and Uchiha blood

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The only way Obito could have possibly known this is through Madara due to Madara teaching everything Obito knows currently. He even said it (on Madaras behalf) that thats one of the reasons madara got the Hashi DNA

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If Only half of Obitos body was consisted of Hashi DNA and not properly merged within him then Madara is definitely able to use both Izanagi and Izanami.

✔ Madara has knowledge on the Kinjutsu

This is NOT a MS technique because Danzo was seen to be using it with 3T sharingan. Both 3T and Mangekyou sharingan do not have the ability of inextinguishable light thus they went blind after using it. so regardless Madara can use it and MUST have SMS activated to use it otherwise he would most probably go blind.

Sasuke will only be able to use Izanami but he lacks the knowledge of how to us eit

Conclusion and how it may affect current manga

I don't see kishi making madara weaker at this point despite him not knowing how they kill madara so its possible that he may even implement this feat to madara. Madara was unable to use the Izanagi on the Biju because he had no eyes. He may be forced to use it when the kages and the others arrive at the battle field. Since he has one eye which is Rinnengan he should be able to use it since it only takes one eye to use Izanagi

Izanami would be little to useless in this fight on other BUT if he were to use it on Sasuke then it may have an effect on him who knows.

Never fear, Itachi's ise words will come into play

"every jutsu has a weakness" they may even implement a new weakness

 

[Shura]

I disagree. They do lose their sight when they use Izanagi or Izanami. Otherwise, Sasuke and Madara are the strongest characters except Obito and Rikudou.​

 

[TheTailedSage]

I disagree. They do lose their sight when they use Izanagi or Izanami. Otherwise, Sasuke and Madara are the strongest characters except Obito and Rikudou.​

Just Madara not Sasuke. But what proof is There that EMS looses its light if it uses nagi?? its a permanent light. All the facts are there AC but as much as it pisses me off its plausible.

 

[Mishima]

I disagree. They do lose their sight when they use Izanagi or Izanami. Otherwise, Sasuke and Madara are the strongest characters except Obito and Rikudou.​

^ This. I actually made a thread about this topic once. But yeah like AC said Sasuke and Madara would be OP as hell.

 

[To Whatever]

I don't think Madara and Sasuke can use Izanami or Izanagi because they were limited to the original owners of the eyes. Which is weird because Itachi said many Uchihas would use Izanagi and Izanmi was created to counter it.

It's probably too powerful of an eye technique to not cause blindness, even with EMS

 

[iNotorious]

Just Madara not Sasuke. But what proof is There that EMS looses its light if it uses nagi?? its a permanent light. All the facts are there AC but as much as it pisses me off its plausible.

Permanent light = no blind but using an technique that requires your eye sight. no not possible.

 

[AGoodBoy]

I disagree. They do lose their sight when they use Izanagi or Izanami. Otherwise, Sasuke and Madara are the strongest characters except Obito and Rikudou.​

Not necessarily. Izanagi still has a time limit. Even if they keep their vision, there'd still need to be a logical cool down after Izanagi's time limit expired... They could be killed within that time. Plus, Izanagi actually needs to be activated, if they're killed before it is.

But, yea, They'd be really strong... Logically it would make sense since the power of 2 MS uchiha in 1 body should be OP and only matched by SM, or rinnegan users..

 

[Da Best Ever]

if this were true then sasuke would have used izanami on madara because he is doing the same thing kabuto was doing

 

[TheTailedSage]

I don't think Madara and Sasuke can use Izanami or Izanagi because they were limited to the original owners of the eyes. Which is weird because Itachi said many Uchihas would use Izanagi and Izanmi was created to counter it.

It's probably too powerful of an eye technique to not cause blindness, even with EMS

They were all either MS or 3t Users though. Not EMS. But technically speaking the eye now belongs to them because their own MS is infused within the EMS

^ This. I actually made a thread about this topic once. But yeah like AC said Sasuke and Madara would be OP as hell.

You did? link me but Kishi loves uchihas he's bound to come up with this implementation

 

[Shura]

Just Madara not Sasuke. But what proof is There that EMS looses its light if it uses nagi?? its a permanent light. All the facts are there AC but as much as it pisses me off its plausible.

Sasuke is an EMS user so this obviously applies to him as well then, however, it was stated that Izanagi and Izanami take away your eye sight and no one bothered to mention that the EMS would negate this effect in the manga so I'm going with the ''They'd still lose their eye sight'' statement until proven otherwise.

Sorry, I just don't see it even though I'm a Sasuke fan.​

 

[Misconception]

Just Madara not Sasuke. But what proof is There that EMS looses its light if it uses nagi?? its a permanent light. All the facts are there AC but as much as it pisses me off its plausible.

Why not Sasuke's...?

 

[Sir Blades]

They would loose their eye sight.

 

[TheTailedSage]

if this were true then sasuke would have used izanami on madara because he is doing the same thing kabuto was doing

He cant use it he has no Senju DNA

Not necessarily. Izanagi still has a time limit. Even if they keep their vision, there'd still need to be a logical cool down after Izanagi's time limit expired... They could be killed within that time. Plus, Izanagi actually needs to be activated, if they're killed before it is.

But, yea, They'd be really strong... Logically it would make sense since the power of 2 MS uchiha in 1 body should be OP and only matched by SM, or rinnegan users..

And this. Plus he has SM... Madz is bleeping OP

Permanent light = no blind but using an technique that requires your eye sight. no not possible.

Amatarasu and Tsyukomi and Susano'o corrode your eye sight and dim the light so that point you made is debunked. EMS doesn't suffer from that Fatigue so why would nagi affect it?

 

[AlphaScythian]

So wouldnt madara effortlessly solo hashi back then? If you imply infinite izanagi/nami that is.

 

[LeSauce]

Seems possible, but we'll have to wait.

 

[TheTailedSage]

They would loose their eye sight.

How? No one has heard of an EMS user using it (Not even itachi knows of it)

Why not Sasuke's...?

No Senju DNA

Sasuke is an EMS user so this obviously applies to him as well then, however, it was stated that Izanagi and Izanami take away your eye sight and no one bothered to mention that the EMS would negate this effect in the manga so I'm going with the ''They'd still lose their eye sight'' statement until proven otherwise.

Sorry, I just don't see it even though I'm a Sasuke fan.​

Nope He has no Senju DNA. But not even itachi would know if EMS users eye sight would be affected because no one has used it while having EMS but Madara was said to have perfected it (obitos words though)

 

[KidGamer65]

No. EMS preventing the MS techniques from gradually corroding the eye doesn't mean Izanagi or Izanami won't rob the EMS user of their vision.

 

[Olyasama]

Why not Sasuke's...?

Cant remember Sasuke having senju dna which is required to use Izanagi

 

[TheTailedSage]

Seems possible, but we'll have to wait.

Seems that way

So wouldnt madara effortlessly solo hashi back then? If you imply infinite izanagi/nami that is.

No because he never had Senju DNA in that fight

 

[TheTailedSage]

No. EMS preventing the MS techniques from gradually corroding the eye doesn't mean Izanagi or Izanami won't rob the EMS user of their vision.

Good point but the principles off all those jutsu are practically the same. If its a permanent light then regardless of any jutsu it undergoes it shouldn't be affected. In theory of course.