[Theory] All Sharingan powers came from Juubi

Do you agree with my theory ?

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KCMNaruto

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INTRODUCTION
Hello guys I would like to share with you my theory stating that All sharingan powers came from Juubi originaly.
Now please let me explain.

TSUKUYOMII
First, let me explain how could I even go to such conclusion, please take a look at scan below:

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^^ Underlined part with red color "Using it's power I will magnify The power of my eyes to the ultimate level", "A massive scale genjutsu, reflecting my own eyes from the moon's surface.", "Mugen Tsukuyomii"

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^^ "I will cast my genjutsu", "Controlling all of humanity within that genjutsu "

Interesting fact is that these words were spoken by Obito, who was under name of Tobi back then, but we know that Obito doesn't have Tsukuyomii, so that could mean Juubi's powers can't magnify Obito's own power to use Mugen Tsukuyomii as Obito lack Tsukuyomii ability to begin with. We know that you can't get better in something where you lack even basics skills for that.

Of course some of members can say that Obito was talking back then as Madara..., but Even Madara hasn't displayed Tsuykuyomii as of yet...

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^^ Even Madara himself needed Gedou Mazou(Juubi empty shell)'s power to use such genjutsu really close to Tsukuyomii.

This only prove that Tsukuyomii or eloved form of Tsukuyomii is one of Juubi's power.

AMATERASU
Well that will be truelly hard to prove, as we has never got any hint which could support such belief.

However using just logic we can get some hints. We know that "Amaterasu is black flames which appear where user is looking at."

Now let's ask yourselves how is that even possible..., it could mean that Amaterasu user send his chakra at light speed in place where he focus his eyesight..., but it could sounds stupid. That give us last possible explanation about Amaterasu working, this could mean Amaterasu user uses external energy/source which is everywhere around to create black flames where he look at.

What external energy/source we know to be everywhere in Naruto's world..., of course Nature energy.

I believe that Amaterasu is simply fire release + Yin destrutive power + nature chakra.

What Juubi is ?, Nature chakra itself manifested physically !

That could make great sense that Amaterasu was originaly one of Juubi's power as well.

Sussano
Well again we have got no to little hints which could support belief of Juubi having Sussano originally as one of it's power.

However using just logic we can get some hints. We know that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomii is needed to awake Sussano as stated by Third Databook.

I proved possibility of Amaterasu comming from Juubi and most likely Tsukuyomii originally belonging as one of Juubi's power..., this could only bring us to conclusion that Sussano is Juubi's power as well...

Even Sussano's design seems to be some type demonic monster...

Kamui
Well We know that both Obito and Kakashi have access to other dimension/box dimension/pocket dimension via using their ocullar power as Kamui.

But was it even stated that Obito created OTHER DIMENSION WITH HIS MANGENKYOU SHARINGAN ?

I don't remember something like that..., When Obito first used Kamui, then OTHER DIMENSSION HAS TO EXIST ALRAEDY !

That could mean someone other created it..., and considering that all sharingans powers belong to Juubi originally would only suggest Juubi creating other dimension or living in there....

I believe that Kamui is Originally Juubi's homeland. Juubi came from it with his occular power to real world and begin his rampage.

The fact that none of human spot Juubi before only further prove it. If Juubi was in some cave hidden, on top of mountain or some other unavaliable place for human in the real world. It is still such huge that it could be spotted. Even undeground could be stupid idea.

Only Other dimension fit it's well.

KOTOAMATSUKAMI
Again it is really hard to find any hints supporting that kotoamatsukami came originally form Juubi...

Well..., considering that Obito said that Mugen Tsukuyomii could enslave humankind when reflected on moon, controlling perfectly everyone... I could say that kotoamatsukami is very close connected to Tsukuyomii, maybe evolved from of Tsukuyomii, improved...

But this is just speculation... I will have to wait for more hints.

CURRENT JUUBI AND COMPLETE JUUBI
The reason why Current Juubi is not spamming that sharingan techniques is because it is still not in complete form + It lack mind to use it's powers efficently and focused. Instead Juubi uses it's power randomely around.

I believe that Juubi has to be in final form at full power to be able to use all of sharingans power.

We have to wait and see..., Complete Juubi against which The Sage fought had all of sharingans power I believe...

CONNECTION BETWEEN JUUBI' s eye and SHARINGANS/MS/EMS
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^^ Considering look of TenTails's eye, we can notice nine tomes in eye.

It resembles base Three Tomoe sharingan a lot

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Then Problem could with MS and EMS..., but I believe MS is simply mutated version of Juubi's origingal eye...

I will wait for more proofs when Juubi reach it's final form...

Juubi CREATOR OF SHINOBI WORLD AND BEGINING OF ALL CHAKRA
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Juubi created all of sharingans power originally...

CONCLUSION
  • Complete Juubi at full power has all mangenkyou techniques
  • All sharingan powers came originally from Juubi
 
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NO all of them Came from KISHI

not bad:shy:
 

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Very ambitious theory, good job.
 

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Some of it seems like a bit of a stretch. Sounds good overall though.
 

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I totally agree :I the Juubi is simply put the source and progenitor of all things, its something that is beyond our imaginations, some say its not spiritual but material only. yet the gedo mazou had spiritual powers to bring forth life into zetsu and spiritual dragons in the nagato scene, some said the juubi died, if the juubi died then how was chakra produced after the battle??? no sense whatsoever. if its source died then chakra dies with it.

I personally believe the Juubi is just the vast pure energy that is both yin and yang and nature, it has no catergory that circles the entire universe and supplies all things,
 

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Have heard this before, and i disagree for a simple reason:
The uchihas curse of hatred, tobirama explained that when an uchiha who has experienced love loses it, it turns into an even stronger hate and consumes that person. Their eye powers increase together with the hatred in their hearts. Awakening the mangekyuo needs the person/ friend you are closest to to die to awaken, which can only cause more hatred.
Kurama stated the juubi lacks feelings or ideals. Hatred is a feeling, how does a being which has none become the source of powers that need hatred to increase them every step of the way?
 

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Agreed on all accounts. This is increasingly obvious as is the Rinnegan coming from it as well.
 

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Not bad....

Thanks !

Some make sense and Some don't

I know ;/, but I don't have enough evidence to back up all my claims...

Thought all this would've been obvious.

Well it isn't as you can see. Anyway thanks for agreement :win:

NO all of them Came from KISHI

not bad:shy:

Of course =D

But Kishi is external power and I was only talking about story along with internal power
And the greatest internal power is Juubi ;)

Very ambitious theory, good job.

Thanks a lot ;)

Legit. well detailed. well done.

Thanks !

Good Theory Bro!

Thanks a lot bro ;), rep was nice suprise for me too :win:, so thanks for that as well

Some of it seems like a bit of a stretch. Sounds good overall though.

Well I know, but thanks anyway ;)

I totally agree :I the Juubi is simply put the source and progenitor of all things, its something that is beyond our imaginations, some say its not spiritual but material only. yet the gedo mazou had spiritual powers to bring forth life into zetsu and spiritual dragons in the nagato scene, some said the juubi died, if the juubi died then how was chakra produced after the battle??? no sense whatsoever. if its source died then chakra dies with it.

I personally believe the Juubi is just the vast pure energy that is both yin and yang and nature, it has no catergory that circles the entire universe and supplies all things,

Well that nice explanation and very interesting theory/thoughts you got here ;)

Thanks for agreement ;)

Have heard this before, and i disagree for a simple reason:
The uchihas curse of hatred, tobirama explained that when an uchiha who has experienced love loses it, it turns into an even stronger hate and consumes that person. Their eye powers increase together with the hatred in their hearts. Awakening the mangekyuo needs the person/ friend you are closest to to die to awaken, which can only cause more hatred.
Kurama stated the juubi lacks feelings or ideals. Hatred is a feeling, how does a being which has none become the source of powers that need hatred to increase them every step of the way?

Well, you brought really great evidences to back up your claims and prove me wrong, so now please let me counter your arguments aimed against my theory.

I see it in simple way Juubi's essence/chakra is present in each of Uchiha who awake Sharingan... and that Juubi's essence/chakra react to increasing hatred by emitting more power of itself. Well now you will say but the Juubi lack feelings or ideals, so how could Juubi's essence react to hatred, which is feeling.

Well, To explain that to you we had to go back to Time when Juubi attacked people and Sage of six paths was forced to fight against such monster to protect humankind from Juubi's rampage.

Explanation we are searching for is the reason why Juubi attacked Humankind. The reason is simple endless wars/ chaos time and what is spreading in such times..., of course hatred/ evil/ malicious feelings...

So even If We believe that Juubi was mindless before(with I disagree but this is off-topic), then still Juubi chakra could be sensitive towards Humankind's hatred which awake Juubi from it's dream or something and forced to go on rampage to protect The world against Humankind's hatred.

I hope that could explain it well...

Please take notice that Juubi's chakra/essense evolves Sharingan even further ONLY WHEN IT INTERACT WITH HUMANKIND's HATRED...

that why always when sharingan evolves, moon is present as symbol of Juubi's prison

PS. Jirayia even proves that, but I don't have time now for searching for it as now.

Agreed on all accounts. This is increasingly obvious as is the Rinnegan coming from it as well.

Thank you very much, but I am not sure about Rinnengan...

It can go either way as for now..., some guys claimed that Rinnengan came for SOSP and some from Juubi and I agree with both of them, so I am not sure in Rinnengan's case.

But sharingan of course ;)

Agreed. The Sharingan, the Mokuton and the Rinnegan all came from the Juubi.

Sharingan and The mokuton... I agree for sure...

But Idk about Rinnengan, as I said it can go either way ;)

Thanks a lot Sir Derp for reading :win:
 
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According to Japanese Mythology, the Ancient Shinobis of Japan trace their ancestry from the Tengus, and it was the Tengus who first taught them the art of Ninjutsu, the God-King of the Tengus was Sojobo, who is probably Kishimoto's inspiration for Juubi:

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Here is a famous depiction of Sojobo, one of his prominent tools was the Maho Ha-Uchiwa or the Magic Feathered Fan, and if you look closely at his fan, the Mitsu Tomoe symbol of the Sharingan is seen.

 
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According to Japanese Mythology, the Ancient Shinobis of Japan trace their ancestry from the Tengus, and it was the Tengus who first thought them the art of Ninjutsu, the God-King of the Tengus was Sojobo, who is probably Kishimoto's inspiration for Juubi:

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Here is a famous depiction of Sojobo, one of his prominent tools was the Maho Ha-Uchiwa or the Magic Feathered Fan, and if you look closely at his fan, the Mitsu Tomoe symbol of the Sharingan is seen.


Wow, thanks a lot for such great mythology lesson ;)

I am really gratefull for that, yeah It seems like Kishi took a lot of inspiration from japanese mythology.

I love all of your threads ;), They are deep, rich on content and very intelligent without any trolling/ or stupid thoughts ;), that is much appreciated ;)

Even if I disagree with some part of what you stated then I still holds great respect towards you and your threads :)

EDIT: DAMN... I wanted to rep you but I can't it seems. I have to spread some before rep you again ;/
 

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Wow, thanks a lot for such great mythology lesson ;)

I am really gratefull for that, yeah It seems like Kishi took a lot of inspiration from japanese mythology.

I love all of your threads ;), They are deep, rich on content and very intelligent without any trolling/ or stupid thoughts ;), that is much appreciated ;)



You're welcome, and incidentally, Sojobo is also known as the "Sojobo of the Forest"/ "Yamabushi of the Forest"

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According to the literary classic Gikeiki, Sojobo would sprout plants and trees where he walked, and it was he who created the forest in Mount Kurama as a place to live in (Mokuton)
 
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You're welcome, and incidentally, Sojobo is also known as the "Sojobo of the Forest"/ "Yamabushi of the Forest"

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According to the literary classic Gikeiki, Sojobo would sprout plants and trees where he walked, and it was he who created the forest in Mount Kurama as a place to live in (Mokuton)

Wow, such great knowledge..., you are genius indeed ;)

Thanks a lot once again !
 
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