Theory about the SO6P's origins and the Rinnegan

[Forsberg]

So when Naruto and Hinata gets a kid ...

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

itachi = SO6P

real FACT!!

Dude stop with the BULLS**T

 

[narito]

So when Naruto and Hinata gets a kid ...

He or she will be a beast!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Interesting theory good job! xd

 

[narito]

Interesting theory good job! xd

Thanks, glad you liked it

 

[Honord Sage]

Good, Best way to describe the Sharigan is that it's a devolved Rinnegan as the Uchiha grew in number the sharigan becauseSome uchiha had to marry non Uchiha so as not to have insets in the family became weaker and harder to get the different forms of the eye,even when emotional upheaval happens to a person it docent result in the same eye for every individual some Uchiha's had more eye power than others others less,Madara,Obito,Itachi and Sasuke were born with stronger DNA in them and develop stronger eyes than the rest of the Clan the same thing Happen to the Senju majority were born with less body power over time with the exception of The First and Second Hokage,The First Hokage inherited the Strongest DNA in Him over any other Senju thus the strongest powers of all the Senju. This is because the Genetic of both Uchiha and Senju keep drifting future away from the source the Uzumaki who because they were an enclose Clan had purer DNA. The Uzumaki have both the missing DNA Strands for Body and eye and spirit of the SO6P,it just that Uzumaki eyes do not become active ever unless external forces like Sage Mode or Tail Beast Mode occur to an Uzumaki. in Sage Mode Naruto's eye change and in tail beast mode they do again and in combine mode we saw with cross shape eyes ones. When Naruto gets all the tail beast in Him that combine power will change the shape of Naruto's eyes to something else.

 

[narito]

Good, Best way to describe the Sharigan is that it's a devolved Rinnegan as the Uchiha grew in number the sharigan becauseSome uchiha had to marry non Uchiha so as not to have insets in the family became weaker and harder to get the different forms of the eye,even when emotional upheaval happens to a person it docent result in the same eye for every individual some Uchiha's had more eye power than others others less,Madara,Obito,Itachi and Sasuke were born with stronger DNA in them and develop stronger eyes than the rest of the Clan the same thing Happen to the Senju majority were born with less body power over time with the exception of The First and Second Hokage,The First Hokage inherited the Strongest DNA in Him over any other Senju thus the strongest powers of all the Senju. This is because the Genetic of both Uchiha and Senju keep drifting future away from the source the Uzumaki who because they were an enclose Clan had purer DNA. The Uzumaki have both the missing DNA Strands for Body and eye and spirit of the SO6P,it just that Uzumaki eyes do not become active ever unless external forces like Sage Mode or Tail Beast Mode occur to an Uzumaki. in Sage Mode Naruto's eye change and in tail beast mode they do again and in combine mode we saw with cross shape eyes ones. When Naruto gets all the tail beast in Him that combine power will change the shape of Naruto's eyes to something else.

I like your explanation of why some Uchiha are stronger than others. Do you think if/when Naruto becomes the Juubi's host his eyes will be become the Rinnegan or something that resembles the Uchiha ancestors spiral eyes? And also do you think he'll need to be in sage mode for a change like this to happen?
I still think he needs a pair of Byakuugan though, not necessarily Hinata's but maybe he'll get Neji's.

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

like my cousin said GREAT THEORY!!

 

[narito]

like my cousin said GREAT THEORY!!

Thanks I read his one about the Sage being an Uzumaki and I thought I'd put my own spin on it

 

[Twin Steps]

It's a very great theory, though I disagree with certain parts, but I'm sure you already know why, seeing as you read my own theory.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nice theory

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Nice theory. I kind of see things differently tho. I agree that the SO6P was an Uzumaki. However, i dont think he had any form of Dojutsu prior to sealing the Juubi. I agree that his wife was a Hyuuga, but i also feel her Byakugan was not awakened until AFTER the Sage sealed the Juubi and awakened the Purest and Master Rinnegan, which is then when he went on to teach Chakra control to others.

I believe the Sage was from the original tribe of the Uzumakis, and therefore had a number of powerful sealing techniques at his disposal (hence all of his weapons being sealing weapons, as well as his sealing techniques). I believe he mastered these sealing techniques BEFORE his clan, and then went on to teach them.

In regards to his Rinnegan, it was the combination of the Juubis own eye, and his Own personal Chakra levels being the first perfect Jinchuriki and birthing his powers.

His sons inherited the 'Body' and the 'Eyes'. The older sons Sharingan looking very much like the Uzumaki symbol (as mentioned in another thread) which confirms the presence of Uzumaki DNA, but slowly changing over the eras to the Sharingan we now recognise. Remember, the Sharingan is a devolution of the Rinnegan, however, as Kakashi stated: the Sharingan also has its origins in the Byakugan, which leads me to believe that the Sages wife, and Mother of the two sons was a Hyuuga (that and the whole Naruto/Hinata thing - we already know Kishimoto likes to play on repetition and mirroring the past: an Uzumaki and a Hyuuga).

 

[narito]

Nice theory. I kind of see things differently tho. I agree that the SO6P was an Uzumaki. However, i dont think he had any form of Dojutsu prior to sealing the Juubi. I agree that his wife was a Hyuuga, but i also feel her Byakugan was not awakened until AFTER the Sage sealed the Juubi and awakened the Purest and Master Rinnegan, which is then when he went on to teach Chakra control to others.

I believe the Sage was from the original tribe of the Uzumakis, and therefore had a number of powerful sealing techniques at his disposal (hence all of his weapons being sealing weapons, as well as his sealing techniques). I believe he mastered these sealing techniques BEFORE his clan, and then went on to teach them.

In regards to his Rinnegan, it was the combination of the Juubis own eye, and his Own personal Chakra levels being the first perfect Jinchuriki and birthing his powers.

His sons inherited the 'Body' and the 'Eyes'. The older sons Sharingan looking very much like the Uzumaki symbol (as mentioned in another thread) which confirms the presence of Uzumaki DNA, but slowly changing over the eras to the Sharingan we now recognise. Remember, the Sharingan is a devolution of the Rinnegan, however, as Kakashi stated: the Sharingan also has its origins in the Byakugan, which leads me to believe that the Sages wife, and Mother of the two sons was a Hyuuga (that and the whole Naruto/Hinata thing - we already know Kishimoto likes to play on repetition and mirroring the past: an Uzumaki and a Hyuuga).

I'm glad we agree he was an Uzumaki that had a Hyuuga wife, and yeah Kishi loves his parallelism. The only thing with your theory is that I'm having alot of trouble seeing the Sage being able to seal the Juubi. What you say is that he gets the Rinnegan after sealing the Juubi and THEN he teaches/creates jutsu. This is impossible in your theory as sealing only becomes possible after he gets the Rinnegan. Its basically saying he seals it inside him before sealing existed.

The idea that he got the Rinnegan after sealing the Juubi is believeable however this creates a paradox for the reasons above^

Your last paragraph I agree mostly with. I think the Swirlgan of the Elder Son's was a combination of the Byakuugan (Hyuuga DNA) with the Sage's Uzumaki sealing technique's effect of the Juubi's 9-Tomoe Sharingan (source of the Yin Chakra). The Byakuugan is evident as the swirl pattern is in the middle of the eye, not the whole thing, and imagine if you superimpose an Uzumaki seal like the one on Naruto's stomach over a 9 Tomoe Sharingan, what do you get? The spiral pattern

I think that the modern day Sharingan comes about because the seal weakens and eventually vanishes as the Juubi's influence on the world fades. This process of un-sealing could be sped up the strong hate the Elder Son felt towards the Younger Son after not being chosen as the Sage successor. The modern day Sharingan is just the Swirlygan -the seal.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

I'm glad we agree he was an Uzumaki that had a Hyuuga wife, and yeah Kishi loves his parallelism. The only thing with your theory is that I'm having alot of trouble seeing the Sage being able to seal the Juubi. What you say is that he gets the Rinnegan after sealing the Juubi and THEN he teaches/creates jutsu. This is impossible in your theory as sealing only becomes possible after he gets the Rinnegan. Its basically saying he seals it inside him before sealing existed.

The idea that he got the Rinnegan after sealing the Juubi is believeable however this creates a paradox for the reasons above^

Your last paragraph I agree mostly with. I think the Swirlgan of the Elder Son's was a combination of the Byakuugan (Hyuuga DNA) with the Sage's Uzumaki sealing technique's effect of the Juubi's 9-Tomoe Sharingan (source of the Yin Chakra). The Byakuugan is evident as the swirl pattern is in the middle of the eye, not the whole thing, and imagine if you superimpose an Uzumaki seal like the one on Naruto's stomach over a 9 Tomoe Sharingan, what do you get? The spiral pattern

I think that the modern day Sharingan comes about because the seal weakens and eventually vanishes as the Juubi's influence on the world fades. This process of un-sealing could be sped up the strong hate the Elder Son felt towards the Younger Son after not being chosen as the Sage successor. The modern day Sharingan is just the Swirlygan -the seal.

Very interesting theory. I can hear what you are saying, regarding Sealing Jutsus requiring use and control of Chakra. but then, that said wouldnt it then mean that the use of Chakra control was still evidently used before the Sealing, if the Hyuugas already had their Byakugan and with it the abilities of Chakra control. we have already learned that the Sage taught the use of Chakra control to others and that it all came from him. the most i feel therefore is that he ORIGINALLY created the Sealing Techniques (SO6P Seals and Weapons) himself, BEING the Sage of the Six Paths. Sealed the Juubi and acquired the Rinnegan, and THEN taught his original Seals to his clan, as well as the creation of all things (Chakra) powered by the Juubis power to his wife and after this point had his sons (the elder then acquiring the unique eyes from mother, father, and juubi combined.

I'm kinda on the fence, but still leaning towards what i see. i still feel it all came from the Sage (as stated in the Manga).

 

[narito]

Very interesting theory. I can hear what you are saying, regarding Sealing Jutsus requiring use and control of Chakra. but then, that said wouldnt it then mean that the use of Chakra control was still evidently used before the Sealing, if the Hyuugas already had their Byakugan and with it the abilities of Chakra control. we have already learned that the Sage taught the use of Chakra control to others and that it all came from him. the most i feel therefore is that he ORIGINALLY created the Sealing Techniques (SO6P Seals and Weapons) himself, BEING the Sage of the Six Paths. Sealed the Juubi and acquired the Rinnegan, and THEN taught his original Seals to his clan, as well as the creation of all things (Chakra) powered by the Juubis power to his wife and after this point had his sons (the elder then acquiring the unique eyes from mother, father, and juubi combined.

I'm kinda on the fence, but still leaning towards what i see. i still feel it all came from the Sage (as stated in the Manga).

Yeah that's true, although you would need to know how to control chakra before even thinking about doing any jutsu let alone sealing. This is probably why ninja's are taught how to walk on water as one of the fundamentals. Hmmm I think im starting to see what you're saying about chakra control and its any interesting point about the Hyuuga's knowing about chakra control.
I think that yeah all Hyuuga had the Byakuugan but not all of them could activate it. Maybe the first person to do so was the Sage's wife (accidental or not) and the source of initial attraction between them was her noticing his chakra that was either coloured differently than other peoples, that or because of the vast amount of chakra that he may have possessed, either way it makes him unique. This is just a theory I came up with literally just now though.
This is kinda why I theorize that he gets his wife's Byakuugan because she too seeks peace and thinks he could really make a different to the world with it.
But yeah, for sure we know that he had to have developed ninjutsu and by assuming this chakra control. However whether he created seals and taught his clan them before sealed the Juubi or sealed the Juubi before teaching them seems irrelevant to me.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Yeah that's true, although you would need to know how to control chakra before even thinking about doing any jutsu let alone sealing. This is probably why ninja's are taught how to walk on water as one of the fundamentals. Hmmm I think im starting to see what you're saying about chakra control and its any interesting point about the Hyuuga's knowing about chakra control.
I think that yeah all Hyuuga had the Byakuugan but not all of them could activate it. Maybe the first person to do so was the Sage's wife (accidental or not) and the source of initial attraction between them was her noticing his chakra that was either coloured differently than other peoples, that or because of the vast amount of chakra that he may have possessed, either way it makes him unique. This is just a theory I came up with literally just now though.
This is kinda why I theorize that he gets his wife's Byakuugan because she too seeks peace and thinks he could really make a different to the world with it.
But yeah, for sure we know that he had to have developed ninjutsu and by assuming this chakra control. However whether he created seals and taught his clan them before sealed the Juubi or sealed the Juubi before teaching them seems irrelevant to me.

Lol i only included the Uzumaki clans specific sealing techniques because it fits in with the explanation, and also supports the fact that the clan were reknowned for them.

i agree the Sages wife would have shared the mutual desire for peace in a world racaged by war, however i believe the Sage was key to unlocking his wifes Byakugan (maybe the first in her clan) rather than it being the other way round.

 

[narito]

Lol i only included the Uzumaki clans specific sealing techniques because it fits in with the explanation, and also supports the fact that the clan were reknowned for them.

i agree the Sages wife would have shared the mutual desire for peace in a world racaged by war, however i believe the Sage was key to unlocking his wifes Byakugan (maybe the first in her clan) rather than it being the other way round.

Ahhh okay, that makes sense.
Yeah that seems pretty believeable man. How do you think/what did you think he do to help her unlock it?

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Ahhh okay, that makes sense.
Yeah that seems pretty believeable man. How do you think/what did you think he do to help her unlock it?

I'd say he possibly used the Rinnegan and his Chakra (Chakra Cloak) to unblock and infuse the Chakra points within her body, thus awakening her dormant Byakugan. Once he had possibly done this, she would have then been able to see through her awakened Byakugan (which must have been a more powerful Byakugan than the one currently seen as it was also pure), and hence the Hyuuga Byakugan (the ancient clan) awakening.

EDIT: Well, thats just my thoughts on it

 

[Danzo of the Hidden Leaf]

Quite an exceptional hypothesis and thread.​

 

[narito]

I'd say he possibly used the Rinnegan and his Chakra (Chakra Cloak) to unblock and infuse the Chakra points within her body, thus awakening her dormant Byakugan. Once he had possibly done this, she would have then been able to see through her awakened Byakugan (which must have been a more powerful Byakugan than the one currently seen as it was also pure), and hence the Hyuuga Byakugan (the ancient clan) awakening.

EDIT: Well, thats just my thoughts on it

Yeah I can see that happening, thanks for explaining ! Also I agree with you that her Byakuugan would've been more powerful than the modern day version of it