theory about obito (because something i noticed drew my attention)

[MadaraReturns]

Kamui



Do you remember when Madara went Madara on us and once again stole someone's powers?

When he arrived at the Kamui-dimension, he threw a rod at Sakura.

What happened then is that Obito Kamui'd Sakura away from that dimension.

A couple of panels later we see Madara with his arm in Obito and Obito not doing anything.

That's where we should begin to think.

Because:


° Why couldn't Obito Kamui out of that dimension?

The answer is because he couldn't move anymore because Zetsu trying to take over his body as you see in the following photo:

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Maybe you already begin to see where I'm going to, if he is it really true that he couldn't and didn't (try to) do anything?

You see, he couldn't move, but he still was able to Kamui Sakura to safety, so if we consider using Kamui as not moving, it means that he actually could also Kamui himself to safety.

If he could, he probably also actually tried to get away, not only for his own safety, but for the safety of the world as he only cared about the world's safety at that moment.

Though he could Kamui himself away, he failed to do it.


° Why did he fail?

Because Madara probably outclassed him in speed and did something to paralyze his body so he can't even use Kamui anymore, or Madara reached to him faster than he could use Kamui.

IMPORTANT: With Kamui I also mean his Intangibility, because that also shouldn't be a problem if he was able to use Kamui.

The whole point I'm trying to make, is that Kamui and Intangibility aren't things that can only be countered by another Kamui user or a jutsu that lasts for longer than the intangibility's max. time.

We already knew (because of Konan) that warping oneself away takes some time (though not much) and because of that can be countered by speed.

Intangibility however is (almost?) instant, so if Madara was faster than that by using just his speed, even Intangibility isn't a factor anymore for people as fast as or faster than Madara.

If Madara countered it by using a paralyziation technique, Intangibility has another counter (which Itachi probably realized way back then in the movie with Menma).​

Every jutsu has a weakness.
- Itachi Uchiha​

 

[Draphsin]

Because Madara probably outclassed him in speed and did something to paralyze his body so he can't even use Kamui anymore, or Madara reached to him faster than he could use Kamui.

& This is where your theory doesn't hold. You have no idea what madara did after obito saved sakura. You don't know if madara immediately rushed obito right after he warped sakura away, you don't know if he activated BZ in order to disrupt obito's warp, you don't know if obito simply had no more chakra at all & couldn't even use a warp on himself, & finally you don't know if madara cancelled kamui with the kamui eye he has.

Just because madara managed to reach obito before he was able to warp himself doesn't mean madara has the speed to touch a kamui user before they become intangible/warp away.

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. Madara was slower during both instances.

 

[MadaraReturns]

& This is where your theory doesn't hold. You have no idea what madara did after obito saved sakura. You don't know if madara immediately rushed obito right after he warped sakura away, you don't know if he activated BZ in order to disrupt obito's warp, you don't know if obito simply had no more chakra at all & couldn't even use a warp on himself, & finally you don't know if madara cancelled kamui with the kamui eye he has.

Just because madara managed to reach obito before he was able to warp himself doesn't mean madara has the speed to touch a kamui user before they become intangible/warp away.

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. Madara was slower during both instances.

i gave 2 options, or he had the speed, or he used a technique lol. that of the gudodama were 2 eyes so double speed, and that picture of striking speed just gives more proof that obito's kamui isn't uncounterable, because when he's not 100% on his guard or something, it can cost him his head (or rinnegan).

 

[Draphsin]

i gave 2 options, or he had the speed, or he used a technique lol.

The real answer is that we have no idea what he did so we can't base any conclusions off of it.

that of the gudodama were 2 eyes so double speed,

That's actually it's original eye speed, having one eye halves that speed.

and that picture of striking speed just gives more proof that obito's kamui isn't uncounterable, because when he's not 100% on his guard or something, it can cost him his head (or rinnegan).

This is false because i'ts been shown multiple times that obito can evade attacks that he's unaware of. [

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] So he doesn't have to be on guard in order for intangibility to work, meaning it can't be countered through traditional means.

 

[MadaraReturns]

The real answer is that we have no idea what he did so we can't base any conclusions off of it.

yeah, thats why my title says THEORY about obito

That's actually it's original eye speed, having one eye halves that speed.

i was talking about obito when he had that 1 eye, but even if we talk about 2 eyes, if madara countered him with my other option which is a paralyzation technique casted by madara so not zetsu or something, (because if madara could do it via zetsu he would've already done it long before that time i guess) then 2 eyes won't make a difference

This is false because i'ts been shown multiple times that obito can evade attacks that he's unaware of. [

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] So he doesn't have to be on guard in order for intangibility to work, meaning it can't be countered through traditional means.

i didn't look at the pictures, but do you remember when naruto was in the kamui dimension? if what you say is true, then why did the un-aware obito get hit in the face by a rasengan even if naruto screamed when he was in the air what gave obito time to become tangible again and so leaving the dimension quickly?

 

[Draphsin]

yeah, thats why my title says THEORY about obito

Theory needs supporting evidence, you have none to base your conclusions off of.

My other option which is a paralyzation technique casted by madara so not zetsu or something, (because if madara could do it via zetsu he would've already done it long before that time i guess) then 2 eyes won't make a difference

You're not kishi, so you don't get to make up fanfic abilities. What he did to obito was off panel & therefore this "paralyzation" technique you speak of doesn't exist.

i didn't look at the pictures

Proof of ignorance? I guess so. U_U

but do you remember when naruto was in the kamui dimension? if what you say is true, then why did the un-aware obito get hit in the face by a rasengan even if naruto screamed when he was in the air what gave obito time to become tangible again and so leaving the dimension quickly?

Terrible example, he was inside a bijuudama, if he was to warp away or become intangible he would've died, tanking a rasengan is obviously the better alternative, now look at the scans I showed you which prove he doesn't need to be aware of the attack in order to evade it & stop trying to deny it.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Theory needs supporting evidence, you have none to base your conclusions off of.

You're not kishi, so you don't get to make up fanfic abilities. What he did to obito was off panel & therefore this "paralyzation" technique you speak of doesn't exist.

lol nobody but kishi is kishi, so nobody should make theories or what you call 'fanfic abilities'?

Proof of ignorance? I guess so. U_U

if you say so hihi

Terrible example, he was inside a bijuudama, if he was to warp away or become intangible he would've died, tanking a rasengan is obviously the better alternative, now look at the scans I showed you which prove he doesn't need to be aware of the attack in order to evade it & stop trying to deny it.

lol yeah because a bijuudama stays at the same place for that long

 

[Draphsin]

lol nobody but kishi is kishi, so nobody should make theories or what you call 'fanfic abilities'?

Never said that, if you have proof then sure go ahead, but if you don't then you're just making stuff up [i.e. "paralyzation" technique].

lol yeah because a bijuudama stays at the same place for that long

Looks like someone doesn't read the manga.

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It's in the real world not overlapping with anything, meaning the rest of his body is overlapping with something [

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He was inside the tbb, it's clearly shown.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Never said that, if you have proof then sure go ahead, but if you don't then you're just making stuff up [i.e. "paralyzation" technique].

remember when madara made hashirama unable to move via the rods in his body? madara could and DID also make rods appear out of obito's body (right before obito became a jin), so he could have done the same thing he did to hashirama and so paralyzation isn't fanfic. also, i am coming with proof, just too lazy to post the scans, because knowing that you (are proud of that you) read the manga as you state below, i don't need scans when i can tell you when it happened as you would remember as a manga reader

Looks like someone doesn't read the manga.

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It's in the real world not overlapping with anything, meaning the rest of his body is overlapping with something [

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He was inside the tbb, it's clearly shown.

so that underarm makes him unable to become tangible? how do you think that he moves when he's intangible? lol, for example fuu, how does his body come out of the ground when it's still intangible? he can move it.


PROOF:

[video=youtube_share;pIDtw-LEqSc]http://youtu.be/pIDtw-LEqSc[/video]


1:03 he goes through the pilar, 1:24 he re-appears (later in the video he does the same thing again to suck fuu in when he snaps his own arm from his body)

CONCLUSION:

I was right, he CAN move while intangible as he appears from the pilar and he is intangible when he comes out of it.

 

[Draphsin]

remember when madara made hashirama unable to move via the rods in his body? madara could and DID also make rods appear out of obito's body (right before obito became a jin), so he could have done the same thing he did to hashirama and so paralyzation isn't fanfic.

Those were inserted into his chakra points so he couldn't move, plus hashi doesn't have the rinnegan & can't create chakra rods of his own like obito can.

& This isn't even a "paralyzation" jutsu or a jutsu that madara can use without special conditions. It's a rinnegan technique that allows you to gain a slight control over someone's actions.

also, i am coming with proof, just too lazy to post the scans, because knowing that you (are proud of that you) read the manga as you state below, i don't need scans when i can tell you when it happened as you would remember as a manga reader

I don't remember every single little detail that occurred, if you make a claim then I'm supposed to trust your word that you aren't reading incorrectly/lying? Sorry but that's not happening.

so that underarm makes him unable to become tangible? how do you think that he moves when he's intangible? lol, for example fuu, how does his body come out of the ground when it's still intangible? he can move it.

Dude are you daft? He was in the air & had no other option other than to tank the rasengan, he had no time to warp away & becoming tangible would've killed him, plus he was in the air & gravity still affects obito. How is he able to appear out of the ground? Well obito's dimension consists of multiple platforms that are

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, one could've simply been slightly below the surface or where he was rising. He can't fly if that's what you're implying. U_U

 

[MadaraReturns]

Those were inserted into his chakra points so he couldn't move, plus hashi doesn't have the rinnegan & can't create chakra rods of his own like obito can.

dude, madara fired those rods that came out of obito, he protected obito from the amaterasu arrow that sasuke fired to obito.

& This isn't even a "paralyzation" jutsu or a jutsu that madara can use without special conditions. It's a rinnegan technique that allows you to gain a slight control over someone's actions.

he still paralyzed hashirama as he couldn't move his entire body anymore.

I don't remember every single little detail that occurred, if you make a claim then I'm supposed to trust your word that you aren't reading incorrectly/lying? Sorry but that's not happening.

brother, other people who remember the things that happened in the manga also know what i mean, who says that you're not denying the facts i told u? if you really want to, i'll proof every argument i gave you that came from the manga/anime, just confirm that you want proof and ill post them. and now who's the one not reading the manga, you don't even remember many things that happened

PROOF:

[video=youtube_share;xO-uNH2pwR4]http://youtu.be/xO-uNH2pwR4[/video]


12:08 madara does a sign and those rods come out of obito's right side.

at 15:00 sasuke fires his amaterasu arrow and those rods are getting fired at the arrow, after that madara grins, because madara did that.

i guess now you know i'm not reading incorrectly/lying

 

[MadaraReturns]

Dude are you daft? He was in the air & had no other option other than to tank the rasengan, he had no time to warp away & becoming tangible would've killed him, plus he was in the air & gravity still affects obito. How is he able to appear out of the ground? Well obito's dimension consists of multiple platforms that are

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, one could've simply been slightly below the surface or where he was rising. He can't fly if that's what you're implying. U_U

sorry i replied before you edited, so you basically admit what my whole thread was about? that obito can't react to everything? you said that even if he is unaware he still could and did counter attacks etcetera.. in this part you are basically saying that his intangibility doesnt save him from every attack which was my whole point when i made this thread lol.. and obito did appear from the ground multiple times, thats not flying.. and exactly, when RISING, he is rising from under the ground, in other words appear from the ground


How is hebable to appear from the ground? well > PROOF WITH TORUNE, SEE PREVIOUS POST



MORE PROOF (VS NARUTO):


[video=youtube_share;yeZ5yiBq9wM]http://youtu.be/yeZ5yiBq9wM[/video]


18:43 naruto fires his giant chakra claw at obito, but obito goes intangible AND WALKS OUT OF IT WHILE INTANGIBLE

 

[Draphsin]

dude, madara fired those rods that came out of obito, he protected obito from the amaterasu arrow that sasuke fired to obito.

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he still paralyzed hashirama as he couldn't move his entire body anymore.

Under special conditions, those conditions weren't set here.

brother, other people who remember the things that happened in the manga also know what i mean, who says that you're not denying the facts i told u? if you really want to, i'll proof every argument i gave you that came from the manga/anime, just confirm that you want proof and ill post them. and now who's the one not reading the manga, you don't even remember many things that happened

SImple fact is that I'm not going to believe someone who can't prove themselves to be right.

so you basically admit what my whole thread was about? that obito can't react to everything? you said that even if he is unaware he still could and did counter attacks etcetera.. in this part you sre basically saying that his intangibility doesnt save him from every attack which was my whole point when i made this thread lol...

There you go on being daft again. The only reason why obito got hit in the first place was because naruto was sento to obito's dimension via kamui. In other words, kamui countered obito's intangibility.

If you don't have kamui to send someone to the other dimension with then you have no shot at repeating the same scenario as the one with naruto, meaning what I said still applies since I already know that kamui counters kamui.

As for obito not being able to react, I already explained this in every single one of my responses to you, if he was to become intangible then he would've died via the bijuudama in the real world, so intangibility wasn't an option.

and obito did appear from the ground multiple times, thats not flying.. and exactly, when RISING, he is rising from under the ground, in other words appear from the ground

According to this [your] logic, obito can fly while intangible. If he can rise above the ground then that means he isn't affected by the gravity in his dimension, since intangibility is merely teleporting parts of his body to his dimension, that means if his whole body was overlapping with something then his whole body would be inside his dimension & thus affected by it's gravity.

 

[MadaraReturns]

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i know, i said madara FIRED them, ofcourse obito can create them how else could madara make them appear from obito's body.

Under special conditions, those conditions weren't set here.

no special conditions, madara already fired them from obito's body to sasuke's amaterasu arrow.

SImple fact is that I'm not going to believe someone who can't prove themselves to be right.

i'm going to edit every post above where i have arguments without pictures, im gonna add all pictures/videos okay?

There you go on being daft again. The only reason why obito got hit in the first place was because naruto was sento to obito's dimension via kamui. In other words, kamui countered obito's intangibility.

If you don't have kamui to send someone to the other dimension with then you have no shot at repeating the same scenario as the one with naruto, meaning what I said still applies since I already know that kamui counters kamui.

As for obito not being able to react, I already explained this in every single one of my responses to you, if he was to become intangible then he would've died via the bijuudama in the real world, so intangibility wasn't an option.



According to this [your] logic, obito can fly while intangible. If he can rise above the ground then that means he isn't affected by the gravity in his dimension, since intangibility is merely teleporting parts of his body to his dimension, that means if his whole body was overlapping with something then his whole body would be inside his dimension & thus affected by it's gravity.

dude, you're so lame, i'll add the videos and pictures right away so you will shut up:/

PROOF ADDED, probs for being so self-confident, but you fail.

 

[Xlad]

Based on what's going on, paralyzation works on Obito because there was already a hold of his body to begin with. If I was stitched with shit that paralyzes my body, I can be susceptible to paralyzation no matter fast I am.

In this case, Madara/BZ had control of his body. There's also the fact intangibility is part of Kamui, which like every jutsu requires chakra buildup. It doesn't matter how fast.
- React
- Build chakra
- Perform

 

[Raykyryn]

He could have used Kamui on himself and Sakura at the same time but he didn't do this which means he was on low chakra level. He must have run out of chakra after teleporting Sakura.
OT: this theory is so weak.

 

[MadaraReturns]

He could have used Kamui on himself and Sakura at the same time but he didn't do this which means he was on low chakra level. He must have run out of chakra after teleporting Sakura.
OT: this theory is so weak.

no, he mustn't have ran out of chakra, teleporting oneself takes more time, thats probably why he didn't teleport himself along with sakura

 

[VongolaX]

Obito was out of chakra and being suppressed by Black zetsu no doubt.

But Obito was fast enough to hack Kaguya's dimension while sending Sakura and himself away in a hiding place.

In short, Obito didn't preform well because of his state and zetsu.

 

[Draphsin]

i know, i said madara FIRED them, ofcourse obito can create them how else could madara make them appear from obito's body.

Then this point is absolutely irrelevant, who cares if he can fire them it doesn't mean he can do what he did to hashi to stop him from moving.

no special conditions, madara already fired them from obito's body to sasuke's amaterasu arrow.

Means nothing so what if he launched them? Doesn't mean he can do what he did to hashi, meaning special conditions need to be set.

i'm going to edit every post above where i have arguments without pictures, im gonna add all pictures/videos okay?

Sorry about your luck but your proof doesn't help you, that jutsu couldn't even stop obito from using a jutsu that he wanted to, you're going to need proof that such a jutsu can stop obito from using kamui.

As for that naruto example, again that proves nothing. He wasn't in the air like with the other scenario. I never said that obito can't move while intangible, however obito can't change trajectory in the middle of the air whether he's tangible or not. It's physically impossible unless you can fly which is what you're trying to say if you're suggesting he could've moved from his current position.

dude, you're so lame, i'll add the videos and pictures right away so you will shut up:/

Your proof literally didn't help you at all. U_U