Theirs a diffrence between Sasuke and Danzo

[ClarifyingThings]

killing people who don't agree with you is very much psycho

who did he kill, because they didin't agree?, he's not trying to kill the Gokages because they don't agree with them, he's trying to kill them because he doesn't want them to be in power and thinks that their responsible for the darkness in the world and should no longer live, which i don't agree with

 

[Troyg39]

The Kages are not victims, they have done nothing but perpetuate this system and their ideologies. They need to be plucked out if the world is to survive.

The current Kages are victims of the ninja system. They follow it because that is what they've been trained to do, not because they created the system. The Kage have dealt with hardship and lost loved ones just like everyone else for the sake of believing in said system, which is exactly what the system was designed to make them do (see BZ's explanation of why he created the ninja story).

That's the issue with Sasuke's plan and your way of thinking. You don't have to kill them. You could teach them a better way. But Sasuke isn't a teacher. Can't teach what's right when you don't have the right answers. So rather than teach and deliver them, he feels the only thing he can do is kill them. The exact opposite of Naruto, and the entire concept of this manga

 

[Jɑégar]

I think the manga needs something new which is Sasuke winning and becoming a hokage. The power of love and friendship is the same bullshit cliche in every goddamn anime. I think Naruto anime is special. It needs a major twist, or a change, or something like that. For God's sake this is boring...

 

[Otibo]

who did he kill, because they didin't agree?, he's not trying to kill the Gokages because they don't agree with them, he's trying to kill them because he doesn't want them to be in power and thinks that their responsible for the darkness in the world and should no longer live, which i don't agree with

LOL YOU JUST GAVE THE REASON FOR LIKE EVERY ASSASSINATION, yes let me kill the president because i don't agree with him being in power, That is the thinking of a physcopath

 

[Scooby Doo]

And what exactly is that petty hand holding friendship nonsense doing for Sasuke exactly?

So you say friends are unnecessary?

I would find that the one who can't mind their own damn business and constantly obsesses over a guy that doesn't care about you to be the ignorant one, as opposed to the other guy who is actually trying to achieve a goal and actually do something with his life.

So you're saying that devoting his life for revenge is doing something good with his life?

I would consider you to be ignorant for thinking that Sasuke's revenge is ignorant.

That's not an argument. I could say you are ignorant if you support his revenge.

Who said I agree with his methods of killing the kage?

I didn't.

How was it necessary for the leaf to execute the Uchiha assuming that it would be a positive change when in fact that very same Uchiha who you are complaining about is thanks to the leaf for demanding his clan be executed.

I never said it was a good thing. But how are the current 5 kage responsible for that?

And you forget that it's because of other Uchihas (Madara, Obito) that the Leaf got suspicious about the Uchihas.

 

[ClarifyingThings]

LOL YOU JUST GAVE THE REASON FOR LIKE EVERY ASSASSINATION, yes let me kill the president because i don't agree with him being in power, That is the thinking of a physcopath

and he thinks that their responsible for the darkness in the world, that doesn't make him sociopath, plus all ninja's kill

 

[Jɑégar]

LOL YOU JUST GAVE THE REASON FOR LIKE EVERY ASSASSINATION, yes let me kill the president because i don't agree with him being in power, That is the thinking of a physcopath

Wtf? At first, you people convicted Kishi of not killing Heros and Chars. and started threads saying that Someone must die in order for the manga to advance, whatever the reason was, however the way it is. And now, you're saying if Sasuke kills the Gokages he's a psychopath and wrong?
Quit the hypocrisy.

 

[Otibo]

Wtf? At first, you people convicted Kishi of not killing Heros and Chars. and started threads saying that Someone must die in order for the manga to advance, whatever the reason was, however the way it is. And now, you're saying if Sasuke kills the Gokages he's a psychopath and wrong?
Quit the hypocrisy.

yeah when have i done that

 

[Jɑégar]

yeah when have i done that

Actually, I not directing this to you. There are a lot of fans, not only Sasuke's, but Naruto's, Madara's, almost everyone made threads about the necessity of deaths. If you have ever said that, then you're included. If not, sorry. Just wanted everyone to see.

 

[Dannie]

So you say friends are unnecessary?

Sasuke lost everything in one night. He already had his friends and family. Team 7 are just people who try to convince Sasuke to come back home when in fact they don't know shit about him or his ideals.

So you're saying that devoting his life for revenge is doing something good with his life?

So you're saying that staying at home and crying about it all day is doing something good with his life? Sasuke has achieved more goals than anyone in this manga and he is still finding out answers and trying to change things. After his clan was buried, his only dream was after revenge.

That's not an argument. I could say you are ignorant if you support his revenge.

You must be very simple minded if you don't understand his revenge.

I didn't.

You implied it.

I never said it was a good thing. But how are the current 5 kage responsible for that?

That example was just to prove that the older generation minus Gaara are a bunch of fools who will do anything, despite who it may hurt to get the job done. The Cloud and the Byakugan. The sand and the sound working together. These are blatant examples as to why the kages and world leaders are bs.

And you forget that it's because of other Uchihas (Madara, Obito) that the Leaf got suspicious about the Uchihas.

The leaf were scared so they decided to watch the Uchiha instead of talking to them head on. They were also discriminating against them as if that would make anything better. This was before the Uchiha decided to set a coup. The leaf are to blame for being little b!tches.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Sasuke lost everything in one night. He already had his friends and family. Team 7 are just people who try to convince Sasuke to come back home when in fact they don't know shit about him or his ideals.

Naruto also lost everything in one night, Itachi too. Your point?

So you're saying that staying at home and crying about it all day is doing something good with his life? Sasuke has achieved more goals than anyone in this manga and he is still finding out answers and trying to change things. After his clan was buried, his only dream was after revenge.

Did Naruto cry all day? No. He trained too. And it doesn't mean he has to go an a revenge spree. And it's not like Sasuke never cried.
All his goals revolve around revenge- not a positive thing.

You must be very simple minded if you don't understand his revenge.

You must be very simple minded if you don't understand the difference between understanding and approving.

You implied it.

I just asked a simple question that you evaded Lol

That example was just to prove that the older generation minus Gaara are a bunch of fools who will do anything, despite who it may hurt to get the job done. The Cloud and the Byakugan. The sand and the sound working together. These are blatant examples as to why the kages and world leaders are bs.

I've never seen a perfect government. What makes you think Sasuke's will be better?

The leaf were scared so they decided to watch the Uchiha instead of talking to them head on. They were also discriminating against them as if that would make anything better. This was before the Uchiha decided to set a coup. The leaf are to blame for being little b!tches.

Why do you think that the Leaf didn't try to negotiate?

And you blame the Leaf for not talking things over with the Uchihas, yet Sasuke is making the same mistake: instead of talking things over, he is using force.

 

[dms_kakashi]

I keep seeing people Say, that Sasuke is doing exactly what danzo was doing and is just gonna be a evil dictator, which isn't entirely true

Yes Sasuke has good intentions, but is going about it the wrong way, which is what most people were doing, like Madara wanting infinite tsukyomi, so their can be true peace, itachi killing the uchiha clan, so that the hidden leaf can prosper and etc, If anything Itachi is like danzo, because he only wanted good for the village

But Sasuke is thinking about the Whole entire world, he doesn't just want good for the village in general, he's trying to change the world, the main problem with the people who run the hidden leaf, is that they only cared for the village and village the only and discarded other clans and other people and that just led to more Villans, which Sasuke is trying to change

Danzo wanted to change whole shinobi world

 

[lucario14]

Also Danzo did everything behind a veil. He was a coward who hid in the shadows, sending his henchman to do his dirty work (root). He also held on to his beliefs like a senile old man for 70 years or so. Sasuke faces things head on and does whatever he wants to the best of his abilities. Sasuke was influenced by his clan's curse, which he eventually broke free from by himself. He experienced a lot of hardship what the hell did danzo experience Lol. Being second to hiruzen? Sasuke's actions are a lot more understandable.

 

[HiddenSound]

Danzō was also thinking of the world, not just the village...

 

[Scooby Doo]

Also Danzo did everything behind a veil. He was a coward who hid in the shadows, sending his henchman to do his dirty work (root).

He worked behind the scenes because that's the job he was given. It was approved by Hiruzen and the elders. They let Danzo take care of the dirty work because they themselves didn't want to do it. Don't you read the manga?

He also held on to his beliefs like a senile old man for 70 years or so.

Hiruzen and the other kages, for example also hold on to their beliefs, so does Naruto...etc.

Sasuke faces things head on and does whatever he wants to the best of his abilities. Sasuke was influenced by his clan's curse, which he eventually broke free from by himself.

Really? It was only after he talked to Edo Itachi that he started to think about what a village and a shinobi is. He was influenced by Itachi and then Hashirama's and the other kages' stories. Why are Sasuke fans ignoring and twisting facts like these?

He experienced a lot of hardship what the hell did danzo experience Lol. Being second to hiruzen? Sasuke's actions are a lot more understandable.

"More understandable" doesn't mean better.

 

[lucario14]

He worked behind the scenes because that's the job he was given. It was approved by Hiruzen and the elders. They let Danzo take care of the dirty work because they themselves didn't want to do it. Don't you read the manga?

Yeah so he was working behind the scenes just following orders unlike sasuke. Still salty fom last time huh?

Hiruzen and the other kages, for example also hold on to their beliefs, so does Naruto...etc.

Where did said beliefs get them in the end? Lol

Really? It was only after he talked to Edo Itachi that he started to think about what a village and a shinobi is. He was influenced by Itachi and then Hashirama's and the other kages' stories. Why are Sasuke fans ignoring and twisting facts like these?

He revived orochimaru specifically to revive the kages and talk to them. The hokages didn't go to sasukle, he seeked the answers himself and came to his conclusion after hearing all the facts. Also he went to itachi and heard the facts of him too. Looks like you're the one in need of re-reading the manga if you can't understand he initiated talks himself. I don't expect someone as salty as you to understand though.

"More understandable" doesn't mean better.

Better as a character. Haha do have a bone to pick with me? Did I strike a nerve? Lol trust you to get super defensive after you came up with that 7 paragraph essay on the other thread that got closed.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah so he was working behind the scenes just following orders unlike sasuke. Still salty fom last time huh?

Following orders? No, he had full authority regarding the root. Again you twist manga facts to your own liking. Yeah Sasuke didn't follow orders, he was just manipulated as hell.

Salty from? That you make up things I never said? Yeah I'm salty when people have to make up things just to make an "argument"

Where did said beliefs get them in the end? Lol

Said beliefs alone wouldn't have been a problem had Black Zetsu not manipulated the Uchihas Lol

And what makes you think that Sasuke's 'beliefs' are better? He goes against everyone else, just like Madara and Obito did, and they failed.

He revived orochimaru specifically to revive the kages and talk to them. The hokages didn't go to sasukle, he seeked the answers himself and came to his conclusion after hearing all the facts. Also he went to itachi and heard the facts of him too. Looks like you're the one in need of re-reading the manga if you can't understand he initiated talks himself. I don't expect someone as salty as you to understand though.

Because Tobi tied him up and told him the story of Itachi. Did Sasuke initiate that talk as well? You're quite selective when it comes to manga facts- I don't expect anything else from someone like you who has to make up and twist things to look clever.

Better as a character.

That's subjective.

Haha do have a bone to pick with me? Did I strike a nerve? Lol trust you to get super defensive after you came up with that 7 paragraph essay on the other thread that got closed.

I have nothing to do with you, I'm reflecting on your points, not your person, as you are doing right now again. And you were super offensive for no reason. Do you have to strike nerves to look clever?

 

[lucario14]

Following orders? No, he had full authority regarding the root. Again you twist manga facts to your own liking. Yeah Sasuke didn't follow orders, he was just manipulated as hell.

Key word is "WAS" which was the whole point of what I was trying to say, learn to read. Sasuke is doing what only he feels is necessary acting as his own agency.

Salty from? That you make up things I never said? Yeah I'm salty when people have to make up things just to make an "argument"

No you were salty because in the other thread we were having a discussion about sasuke and then you turned defensive and shifted the argument to what you thought of fanboys Lol.

Said beliefs alone wouldn't have been a problem had Black Zetsu not manipulated the Uchihas Lol

Indra had a fight with Ashura even before black zetsu came about. Said beliefs is the reason hiruzen failed to deal with danzo and how danzo died because of sasuke. Said beliefs is what caused the village to oust the uchiha in the first place eventually leading to a coup attempt and consequent massacre.

And what makes you think that Sasuke's 'beliefs' are better? He goes against everyone else, just like Madara and Obito did, and they failed.

I could ask you the same. What makes you think naruto's is better? Hashirama's will of fire didn't work out either seeing as there was always conflict.

Because Tobi tied him up and told him the story of Itachi. Did Sasuke initiate that talk as well? You're quite selective when it comes to manga facts- I don't expect anything else from someone like you who has to make up and twist things to look clever.

That happened before omg. Instead of taking obito's word for it he searched for the truth, even from danzo. He sought the truth from his brother, then from the hokages. Don't tell me that obito's words caused him to seek the truth from the others cause THAT is twisting manga facts. Nobody forced him to do it only sasuke's resolve himself. Haha you're the one who can't follow logic.

That's subjective.


I have nothing to do with you, I'm reflecting on your points, not your person, as you are doing right now again. And you were super offensive for no reason. Do you have to strike nerves to look clever?

No all you have to do is look at things objectively, which for some reason you're not doing.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Theirs a diffrence between Sasuke and Danzo

There's a difference.

 

[brandonsheen]

Sasuke is a Sausage and Danzo is Hanzo with a D (implicating Hanzo has no male genitalia)