The Yin seal can reopen chakra points

[Natsu Shazneel]

Sakura and Tsunade do not have bijuu chakara.

 

[Melanin]

Sakura and Tsunade do not have bijuu chakara.

Tsunade and Sakura don't need it to reopen a chakra point Shazzy.

 

[Jinrou]

Proof? Because Minato seal was made to ensure Naruto and Kyuubi chakra mix so Naruto won't be complete fodder xl growing up.

What proof are you asking for exactly? That the yin seal is a fuuinjutsu or that Kurama's seal was made to ensure its chakra could leak into Naruto?

Nobody ever answered my question in the other thread, wtf happens if tsuna or saku get hit in the forehead by a byakugan user, would this block their ability to release the seal? It sounds dumb but tactics are tactics, if I saw some seal storing chakra as a hyuga that's the first place I'd aim for if it worked

I know it's been answered but i just wanted to give an example. Kurama was behind a seal during Neji vs Naruto and was untouched but Current Kurama is no longer behind a seal and it's because of that Lorddess Hima-solo was able to neg Naruto and Kurama at the same time. A seal would be unaffected by a tenketsu attack it seems.

 

[Jiren]

No he really wouldn't, you're ignoring the fact that Kurama's chakra is DIFFERENT than Naruto's. The Yin seal is nothing more than the user's own chakra stored in a large amount. You can't just exert the same chakra and hope it will make a difference

The chakra stored in the yin seal is the users chakra but placed in a different location. It doesn't matter if it's the users or not because the the overflow of chakra overlapping the tenketsu is what reopened them not usage of another beings chakra. You're trying to use the logic of genjutsu counter and trying to apply it here . Stop trying to apply gentle fist to genjutsu counters .

 

[Jiren]

What proof are you asking for exactly? That the yin seal is a fuuinjutsu or that Kurama's seal was made to ensure its chakra could leak into Naruto?


I know it's been answered but i just wanted to give an example. Kurama was behind a seal during Neji vs Naruto and was untouched but Current Kurama is no longer behind a seal and it's because of that Lorddess Hima-solo was able to neg Naruto and Kurama at the same time. A seal would be unaffected by a tenketsu attack it seems.

Yin seal requires chakra to utilize.

 

[Melanin]

The chakra stored in the yin seal is the users chakra but placed in a different location. It doesn't matter if it's the users or not because the the overflow of chakra overlapping the tenketsu is what reopened them not usage of another beings chakra. You're trying to use the logic of genjutsu counter and trying to apply it here . Stop trying to apply gentle fist to genjutsu counters .

You've seriously already won the argument so far..

 

[InfiniteMugen]

What proof are you asking for exactly? That the yin seal is a fuuinjutsu or that Kurama's seal was made to ensure its chakra could leak into Naruto?


I know it's been answered but i just wanted to give an example. Kurama was behind a seal during Neji vs Naruto and was untouched but Current Kurama is no longer behind a seal and it's because of that Lorddess Hima-solo was able to neg Naruto and Kurama at the same time. A seal would be unaffected by a tenketsu attack it seems.

I got it now, knowing that I totally see a yin seal user able to "break out" it's a seperate pool of chakra, yea it's yours but it's in a totally seperate "pool" we're even shown this with Sakura. That being said I saw an argument about the chakra pressure not being able to open up the points like kurama did, I think this is invalid simply because anyone able to use the yin seal should have more than enough chakra control to increase and decrease the "pressure" in any point of the body at once. So theoretically while they wouldn't be able to open them up all at once, they could still do it section by section(this is just a counter to that "pressure" argument I saw someone make) I think Rastas completely right on this one

 

[90sKids98]

The chakra stored in the yin seal is the users chakra but placed in a different location. It doesn't matter if it's the users or not because the the overflow of chakra overlapping the tenketsu is what reopened them not usage of another beings chakra. You're trying to use the logic of genjutsu counter and trying to apply it here . Stop trying to apply gentle fist to genjutsu counters .

Not even, its the fact that its the same chakra which means it won't make a difference. You can say it "overflows" into the user's body but it doesn't. The chakra from the Yin Seal flows to points where it is needed but if that point is blocked it won't flow through

 

[Jiren]

Not even, its the fact that its the same chakra which means it won't make a difference. You can say it "overflows" into the user's body but it doesn't. The chakra from the Yin Seal flows to points where it is needed but if that point is blocked it won't flow through

You say it's a fact when it's not. All we know is when kurama chakra poured into Naruto he was fine and could use chakra. When yin seal chakra pours into Tsunade or Sakura the same will happen because it's also coming from a separate place.

 

[90sKids98]

You say it's a fact when it's not. All we know is when kurama chakra poured into Naruto he was fine and could use chakra. When yin seal chakra pours into Tsunade or Sakura the same will happen because it's also coming from a separate place.

This is hilarious, it is a MANGA fact that we've seen Kurama's chakra pour into Naruto's chakra network to reopen his sealed points. There is no fact that using your OWN chakra will reopen any point soo :th:

 

[Jiren]

This is hilarious, it is a MANGA fact that we've seen Kurama's chakra pour into Naruto's chakra network to reopen his sealed points. There is no fact that using your OWN chakra will reopen any point soo :th:

Uhmm it's also a manga fact the chakra was sealed and external just like the yin seal. It's not like I'm saying they are going to generate this chakra on the spot. Your logic is flawed thinking gentle fist is genjutsu which you seem to be unable to differentiate and keep applying the same rules here. : )

 

[BlacLord™]

Again it's their own chakra and its been stated already that it is

Well then, show us the scan that states that you need a different chakra for your tenketsu to be unblocked.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

This is hilarious, it is a MANGA fact that we've seen Kurama's chakra pour into Naruto's chakra network to reopen his sealed points. There is no fact that using your OWN chakra will reopen any point soo :th:

Iirc isn't it said in the manga that this worked because kuramas chakra was seperate from his own? I don't think it was stated that he was able to open them up again simply because it was kurama, it's not far fetched to even consider that someone who pool their chakra separately would be able to do the same, just sayin

 

[90sKids98]

Uhmm it's also a manga fact the chakra was sealed and external just like the yin seal. It's not like I'm saying they are going to generate this chakra on the spot. Your logic is flawed thinking gentle fist is genjutsu which you seem to be unable to differentiate and keep applying the same rules here. : )

Who said Im applying different rules? You can twist my words but Im only backing up what the manga has shown us: that a different chakra was able to reopen the chakra points. You can make assumptions but in the end it all comes down to the manga facts :yeah:

 

[Sasuke The Solo God]

Uhh would;nt you need your chakra to activate the seal in the first place meaning it won't work..

 

[90sKids98]

Well then, show us the scan that states that you need a different chakra for your tenketsu to be unblocked.

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[Jinrou]

Yin seal requires chakra to utilize.

First Databook:

Spoiler

Chakra

Accumulating chakra and forming seals to activate a jutsu!

The physical and mental energies from 130 million body cells, that is, chakra, are accumulated, and by performing seals, this energy is converted into a jutsu. If this sequence is performed impeccably, the jutsu is activated.

To activate jutsu other than taijutsu, basic chakra conversion is needed.

To put it plainly, chakra is what fuels a jutsu. The mental and physical energies of a shinobi’s body are joined together into stamina, which is internally converted into chakra, the energy source for a jutsu’s activation. The efficiency of this conversion is influenced by the user’s skill. Being able to efficiently convert stamina means a possibility to cast an even larger number of jutsu. In addition, chakra can be used to temporarily trigger some physical abilities. Thanks to this, shinobi can perform superhuman physical feats.

Notice the bold.

I got it now, knowing that I totally see a yin seal user able to "break out" it's a seperate pool of chakra, yea it's yours but it's in a totally seperate "pool" we're even shown this with Sakura. That being said I saw an argument about the chakra pressure not being able to open up the points like kurama did, I think this is invalid simply because anyone able to use the yin seal should have more than enough chakra control to increase and decrease the "pressure" in any point of the body at once. So theoretically while they wouldn't be able to open them up all at once, they could still do it section by section(this is just a counter to that "pressure" argument I saw someone make) I think Rastas completely right on this one

Yeah..actually i was of the belief it'll definitely open closed chakra points. Maybe not as quickly as Kurama's but it definitely should. It was however pointed out to me though that Yin seal: Release is a fuuinjutsu and all fuuinjutsu we've seen in the manga needed chakra to be executed but the 64 palms removes the ability to channel the chakra that'll be needed...
Kurama sent the chakra Naruto used..and i don't think the Yin seal has a mind of its own?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

First Databook:

Spoiler

Chakra

Accumulating chakra and forming seals to activate a jutsu!

The physical and mental energies from 130 million body cells, that is, chakra, are accumulated, and by performing seals, this energy is converted into a jutsu. If this sequence is performed impeccably, the jutsu is activated.

To activate jutsu other than taijutsu, basic chakra conversion is needed.

To put it plainly, chakra is what fuels a jutsu. The mental and physical energies of a shinobi’s body are joined together into stamina, which is internally converted into chakra, the energy source for a jutsu’s activation. The efficiency of this conversion is influenced by the user’s skill. Being able to efficiently convert stamina means a possibility to cast an even larger number of jutsu. In addition, chakra can be used to temporarily trigger some physical abilities. Thanks to this, shinobi can perform superhuman physical feats.

Notice the bold.



Yeah..actually i was of the belief it'll definitely open closed chakra points. Maybe not as quickly as Kurama's but it definitely should. It was however pointed out to me though that Yin seal: Release is a fuuinjutsu and all fuuinjutsu we've seen in the manga needed chakra to be executed but the 64 palms removes the ability to channel the chakra that'll be needed...
Kurama sent the chakra Naruto used..and i don't think the Yin seal has a mind of its own?

That last sentence is a very good point though I didn't Think about kurama having a mind of his own

Edit: it could also be said this was cause naruto was too dense to figure it out, also kuramas chakra wasn't easily accessible for him, with tsuna and saku and the seal, not having direct access to the chakra isn't an issue

 

[Jiren]

Who said Im applying different rules? You can twist my words but Im only backing up what the manga has shown us: that a different chakra was able to reopen the chakra points. You can make assumptions but in the end it all comes down to the manga facts :yeah:

You're applying the same rules of breaking genjutsu to reopening tenketsu. I'm not twisting your words but that is what you're doing. The manga showed us external chakra stored in a different place can reopen tenketsu. Tenketsu is how people generate chakra it doesn't take away their ability to possess it or use it which the manga already showed.

Uhh would;nt you need your chakra to activate the seal in the first place meaning it won't work..

First Databook:

Spoiler

Chakra

Accumulating chakra and forming seals to activate a jutsu!

The physical and mental energies from 130 million body cells, that is, chakra, are accumulated, and by performing seals, this energy is converted into a jutsu. If this sequence is performed impeccably, the jutsu is activated.

To activate jutsu other than taijutsu, basic chakra conversion is needed.

To put it plainly, chakra is what fuels a jutsu. The mental and physical energies of a shinobi’s body are joined together into stamina, which is internally converted into chakra, the energy source for a jutsu’s activation. The efficiency of this conversion is influenced by the user’s skill. Being able to efficiently convert stamina means a possibility to cast an even larger number of jutsu. In addition, chakra can be used to temporarily trigger some physical abilities. Thanks to this, shinobi can perform superhuman physical feats.

Notice the bold.



Yeah..actually i was of the belief it'll definitely open closed chakra points. Maybe not as quickly as Kurama's but it definitely should. It was however pointed out to me though that Yin seal: Release is a fuuinjutsu and all fuuinjutsu we've seen in the manga needed chakra to be executed but the 64 palms removes the ability to channel the chakra that'll be needed...
Kurama sent the chakra Naruto used..and i don't think the Yin seal has a mind of its own?

If that's true Naruto would have needed chakra to activate the seal from kurama regardless of th chakra mixing because he was out of stamina. If Sakura was creating the seal on spot then I would agree but I don't imagine the seal needing chakra to be released.

 

[BlacLord™]

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That just shows Kurama's chakra; it doesn't state that it has to be a different chakra though, like I asked for a scan stating as which.