The Yin and Yang seals.

[Torche]

Does anyone have any theories/speculation on how they came about? Was it Man-made by Hagoromo and Hamura? Was it the spiritual being behind them that bestowed the power to Hagoromo and Hamura first? Any idea's? They just seem the be there with no real explanation. :| They also seem to be the basis of Banbutso Sozo (Creation of all things), well; large scale.

Spiritual being:

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Hagoromo and Hamura having it:

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Banbutso Sozo is really speculation, but:

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Same hands that Hagoromo has the marks on.

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It also seemingly "re-created" the bijuu from extraction from Kaguya. Though you could link it to the fact that they never "fully integrated" into the Juubi and Kaguya like with Obito.

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[Kai NB]

I say the spiritual being, because that spirit gave Haga his powers, which were both yin and yang, which is also seen by his staff (The moon and sun side) while Hamura has a different staff so he probably has a different power-up

 

[Torche]

I say the spiritual being, because that spirit gave Haga his powers, which were both yin and yang, which is also seen by his staff (The moon and sun side) while Hamura has a different staff so he probably has a different power-up

While I agree on mainly everything in your post, it doesn't add up for Hamura to NOT have had the Yang mark at some stage especially when stated they; Hagoromo and Hamura, both sealed her with those marks. hmm

On that note, what do you think the spiritual being is? Some sort of god or something? Idk.

 

[Xlad]

Your sig. Lol Not surprising at all. Shouldn't have wanked her way too much.

Anyhow, I don't see those seals were designed for anything else besides locking the witch away. Hamaru and Hagoromo most likely made that seal and planned to seal her together. It's unlikely a requirement for two people to use those seals, but it's better than doing it by yourself. That's what it is.

As for the statue, that seems to be just a representation of Hagoromo himself.

 

[Kai NB]

While I agree on mainly everything in your post, it doesn't add up for Hamura to NOT have had the Yang mark at some stage especially when stated they; Hagoromo and Hamura, both sealed her with those marks. hmm

On that note, what do you think the spiritual being is? Some sort of god or something? Idk.

You're right, there definitely is controversy with my statement. Hmmm

Well, we can go REALLY hypothetical and say that Hamura lost his powers at the time of the Kaguya sealing, so Hagoromo lent him some of his powers. If that is the case, then my previous statement should work.

I'd say the spiritual being may be a metaphysical representation of yin and yang, just as the shinju and juubi are physical representations of chakra

 

[NukaCola]

They are just for the Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Torche]

Your sig. Lol Not surprising at all. Shouldn't have wanked her way too much.

Anyhow, I don't see those seals were designed for anything else besides locking the witch away. Hamaru and Hagoromo most likely made that seal and planned to seal her together. It's unlikely a requirement for two people to use those seals, but it's better than doing it by yourself. That's what it is.

Yeah. Lol

That's very true on all accounts, however Naruto and Sasuke used the seals as an output for using certain attacks to enhance with Senjutsu. Not that Hagoromo and Hamura would have anything like that really though What do you think of them being used for Banbutso Sozo though? Just a coincidence with the same hands being used? Lol

You're right, there definitely is controversy with my statement. Hmmm

Well, we can go REALLY hypothetical and say that Hamura lost his powers at the time of the Kaguya sealing, so Hagoromo lent him some of his powers. If that is the case, then my previous statement should work.

I'd say the spiritual being may be a metaphysical representation of yin and yang, just as the shinju and juubi are physical representations of chakra

That seems likely. Tbh, it would make sense if it was Hagoromo that lent Hamura the seal. Perhaps it actually does not work with one person? I think that would explain how Hagoromo has the two seals, and they went back to him after use. Hamura was required as the second person to use the seal, but the mark was not prominently "his"?

Yeah, that make sense.

They are just for the Chibaku Tensei.

That is very likely, but they have been seen to be used as an output for Senjutsu unless it was coincidently because it was placed on their dominant hand. But, the Yang mark definately had something to do with helping Gai and restoring Kakashi's eye.

 

[Zealous Sparks]

I'd say that it is more likely that they were created/conceptualized by Hagoromo and Hamura. Hagoromo was the one who created Chibaku Tensei as an ability of his Rinnegan. It's possible he or Hamura figured that CT would be the best jutsu to seal the Juubi, and the seals were created for that sole purpose. Hagoromo would have given the Yin seal to Hamura for the sealing, and it returned to Hagoromo after the deed was done (that's why Hagoromo had both to give to Naruto and Sasuke).

 

[Torche]

I'd say that it is more likely that they were created/conceptualized by Hagoromo and Hamura. Hagoromo was the one who created Chibaku Tensei as an ability of his Rinnegan. It's possible he or Hamura figured that CT would be the best jutsu to seal the Juubi, and the seals were created for that sole purpose. Hagoromo would have given the Yin seal to Hamura for the sealing, and it returned to Hagoromo after the deed was done (that's why Hagoromo had both to give to Naruto and Sasuke).

Yes, that seems likely. I had also speculated as much a post up about Hagoromo lending Hamura the seal. Probably works best with two people than one.

 

[sage1999]

the spiritual being was made and drawn by Kishi, hows that for thought?

 

[Torche]

the spiritual being was made and drawn by Kishi, hows that for thought?

Really? I would have guessed. :| Thanks for that!

 

[Xlad]

Yeah. Lol

That's very true on all accounts, however Naruto and Sasuke used the seals as an output for using certain attacks to enhance with Senjutsu. Not that Hagoromo and Hamura would have anything like that really though What do you think of them being used for Banbutso Sozo though? Just a coincidence with the same hands being used? Lol

I would say maybe not. Then again, the author does like to parallel.

 

[Torche]

I would say maybe not. Then again, the author does like to parallel.

Yes, debatable. Lol Yeah, true. XD

 

[NukaCola]

That is very likely, but they have been seen to be used as an output for Senjutsu unless it was coincidently because it was placed on their dominant hand. But, the Yang mark definately had something to do with helping Gai and restoring Kakashi's eye.

Naruto heal them using COAT with the help of the understandig of chakra that came with the Rikudo mode(it's in the new databook).

 

[Espadara Uchiha]

The spiritual being...hm, I want to say Jashin, just to make him relevant, but its probably just another random god. Or maybe something like Susano'o. I still remember when people claimed it HAD to be Kaguya's husband, because OBVIOUSLY the husband had to put her in her place (the Moon).

But the Yin/Yang seal could probably just be manifestations of said power. So maybe anyone could gain them, if they have enough of said chakra? Like, being a Reincarnation and being blessed by the Sage helps an insane amount, but..hm, let me put it in stat forms.

Consider these the base amounts. These can, of course, be improved with training.
Normal Shinobi- +5 Yin, +5 Yang
Uchiha- +10 Yin, +5 Yang
Senju/Uzumaki- +5 Yin, +10 Yang
Reincarnation of Ashura- +10 Yin, +90 Yang
Reincarnation of Indra- +90 Yin, +10 Yang
Sage bonus!- +100 Yin, +100 Yang.
200+ Yin needed for Yin seal; 200+ Yang needed for Yang seal.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Its hard to explained it but I tried my best

I guess all the formulated seal is created only by Hago, because the seals is very related to CT mechanism, Hamura dont having any Rinnegan to use CT.

and I also suspect that Hago utilizing Banbutsu Sozo to some extent to materialise that seals in some form, maybe in chakra form like he show on your scan above.

and as Kishi is heavy involving pair, brothers theme, he gave Hamura the yin base formulated seal that not needed to be change the structure. Hamura is ask to wield it with him.

and the yang base formulated seal goes to hagoromo himself.

in the seals contained not just CT seal but other form of formulated seal that only hago and Kishi knew, remember this is not sarcasm. And it divide between the two half.

 

[Torche]

Naruto heal them using COAT with the help of the understandig of chakra that came with the Rikudo mode(it's in the new databook).

So it had absolutely nothing to do with the seal and it was a pure coincidence that it was on his dominant hand which is what he used to heal them? Despite COAT being portrayed to use both hands and he used one. :| Fair enough.

Always seemed like something to do with the Yang seal.

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I find it harder to believe because he should have been able to spawn an arm like that eye.

 

[CloyEscapade]

He ate his brother

 

[NukaCola]

So it had absolutely nothing to do with the seal and it was a pure coincidence that it was on his dominant hand which is what he used to heal them? Despite COAT being portrayed to use both hands and he used one. :| Fair enough.

Always seemed like something to do with the Yang seal.

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I find it harder to believe because he should have been able to spawn an arm like that eye.

It's on their dominant hand because the sage told them to lift their dominant hand and Naruto is right-handed that's why he used that hand to heal them.

 

[Torche]

The spiritual being...hm, I want to say Jashin, just to make him relevant, but its probably just another random god. Or maybe something like Susano'o. I still remember when people claimed it HAD to be Kaguya's husband, because OBVIOUSLY the husband had to put her in her place (the Moon).

But the Yin/Yang seal could probably just be manifestations of said power. So maybe anyone could gain them, if they have enough of said chakra? Like, being a Reincarnation and being blessed by the Sage helps an insane amount, but..hm, let me put it in stat forms.

Consider these the base amounts. These can, of course, be improved with training.
Normal Shinobi- +5 Yin, +5 Yang
Uchiha- +10 Yin, +5 Yang
Senju/Uzumaki- +5 Yin, +10 Yang
Reincarnation of Ashura- +10 Yin, +90 Yang
Reincarnation of Indra- +90 Yin, +10 Yang
Sage bonus!- +100 Yin, +100 Yang.
200+ Yin needed for Yin seal; 200+ Yang needed for Yang seal.

Lol Shame we never got to see Jashin, nor was the RDS elaborated on. I think it's just another "God" of the NV that hasn't been elaborated on, or as someone above said; merely representation. That actually makes a lot of sense. Lol But, I think it would probably be the seal which does the boosting.

Its hard to explained it but I tried my best

I guess all the formulated seal is created only by Hago, because the seals is very related to CT mechanism, Hamura dont having any Rinnegan to use CT.

and I also suspect that Hago utilizing Banbutsu Sozo to some extent to materialise that seals in some form, maybe in chakra form like he show on your scan above.

and as Kishi is heavy involving pair, brothers theme, he gave Hamura the yin base formulated seal that not needed to be change the structure. Hamura is ask to wield it with him.

and the yang base formulated seal goes to hagoromo himself.

in the seals contained not just CT seal but other form of formulated seal that only hago and Kishi knew, remember this is not sarcasm. And it divide between the two half.

Yeah, it seems likely that Hagoromo created the seal and lent it to Hamura in order to seal Kaguya. It either works best with two people, or only works with two people. I guess it could even minimalism risks if two people have the seal.

Yes, unless the seals allowed pure Yin and Yang manipulation easier which made it easier to use Banbutso Sozo.

Either asked him, or it was better to have two people wield a seal each.

Yeah, probably.

He ate his brother

That flawless logic. :|

It's on their dominant hand because the sage told them to lift their dominant hand and Naruto is right-handed that's why he used that hand to heal them.

I know that, but one-handed COAT seems far-fetched though not impossible.