[Discussion] The woman belong in the kitchen notion and men outside

[HashiraMadara]

So if you follow scientific studies closely you'll notice our ancestors before the glory of farming were hunter gathers. Females of the species gathered vegetation while the men were off into hunting groups. Bodies of each were designated to fit receptive activities. You'd notice the straighter yet still flexible enough spine of the male making him suitable for longer upright voyages, added with big strong enough body and gifted with mental campus for direction senses far Superior than his counterpart.
Meanwhile females evolve into nit pickers, noticing finer colors, sense of patience, good decision making, not as upright as male structure(support and birth giving) etc.

A few thousand years nothing changed in these traits, ignoring the feminists, SJWs etc We all equal of course in value but I need to know why is it offensive when someone tells a woman she belongs in a kitchen or "go fix a car somewhere" to a guy?

 

[Оdin]

Everybody belongs in the kitchen. It has food.

 

[Genocide]

Yes, anyone who says otherwise is ignorant.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Everybody belongs in the kitchen. It has food.

You don't say

Its the same notion that men have evolved to be more masculine and physically stronger while women have become better at looking after a house,children ect. There are of course exceptions but thats how we have adapted over time.

Exactly, yet still many get offended when the very traits they have evolved to fit are embraced. You give out a complement to "her looks" suddenly you're objectifying her... it's laughable sometimes

 

[VVolfVVarrior]

So we went so far with technology and build such great society and we should still follow our animal instincts ? Evolution continues even in these days. Things are changing, clinging to old things like someone who is scared of future is for idiots.

 

[HashiraMadara]

So we went so far with technology and build such great society and we should still follow our animal instincts ? Evolution continues even in these days. Things are changing, clinging to old things like someone who is scared of future is for idiots.

yes we are evolving but evolution never starts from scratch it builds on whats already there.
e.g Woman make up contains more colours than a ordinary man can see yet every single woman can identify each colour specifically, So simply getting offended by simple reference lines is puzzling, what is the offended want to be? A man? Don't get me wrong the puzzling part in me what is the desire inside them if such remarks cause offence really?

 

[HashiraMadara]

I feel like she would be a shit cook to be honest.

What the hell happened in my absence XDXD, is there a revolution against her or what XDXD

Maybe he has a femdom fetish?

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chill the hell out :lol we're serious here

 

[Оdin]

Exactly, yet still many get offended when the very traits they have evolved to fit are embraced. You give out a complement to "her looks" suddenly you're objectifying her... it's laughable sometimes

Just because women evolved differently to fit different roles doesn't mean you have to be throwing around sexist remarks at them. I joke around a lot with my family and that's a joke I feel uncomfortable to say because of how poor in taste it is. Honestly, this would be the equivalent of calling your mother an "ugly fat *****" simply because she's an ugly fat ***** who evolved into the shit-tier rank of humanity, thus giving me the right to treat her like shit because I know I am superior to her in all fronts.

What exactly do you gain or accomplish by telling a woman she belongs in the kitchen? I really don't see the purpose of this sexist remark so do enlighten me.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Just because women evolved differently to fit different roles doesn't mean you have to be throwing around sexist remarks at them. I joke around a lot with my family and that's a joke I feel uncomfortable to say because of how poor in taste it is. Honestly, this would be the equivalent of calling your mother an "ugly fat *****" simply because she's an ugly fat ***** who evolved into the shit-tier rank of humanity, thus giving me the right to treat her like shit because I know I am superior to her in all fronts.

What exactly do you gain or accomplish by telling a woman she belongs in the kitchen? I really don't see the purpose of this sexist remark so do enlighten me.

Accomplishments? No, but let me tell you a few things:

Father chronicles:

He's seen as a rookie in the day care.
Law of states naturally inclines a mother for custody by default.
Parenthood is skewly judged
etc

These simple questions I am asking aren't by no means simple: whenever it comes to the father, Law follows the "evolution" of mother making a better parent yet the same doesn't apply to women. If you can simply win my child's custody by existing then the kitchen suits you well by "default" isn't that part of your evolution too? :|

 

[Dantе]

My armor looks way better than that.

Eh, I think OP was pointing out that belonging to kitchen should not be a mark of insult. It would be like saying to a man 'go back to the office'; this is not an insult, so why should the former be?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So we went so far with technology and build such great society and we should still follow our animal instincts ? Evolution continues even in these days. Things are changing, clinging to old things like someone who is scared of future is for idiots.

i mean.. we still fck... thats pretty primal. We still react to others based off of pheromones and scent. Like. If it aint broke dont fix it

 

[Umari Senju]

Mm. Probably because of the fact that we as men no longer hunt gather like we used to in the prehistoric days. Simply because we are built different from women doesn't mean they are incapable of being hunter gathers too. The lioness is the hunter in the pride and not the lion despite bein smaller and possessing less strength than the male.

Women get offended by this because we as a species have evolved passed the notion that this is how hunting gathering is still done today. Our bodies are smaller, are cranium is much bigger due to bigger brains, and our tools have evolved making it possible for a female to hunt and gather just as well a man. Do you know what happens to a species that doesn't evolve beyond concepts like these? They die out.

So telling a woman to go back to the kitchen is just as bad as telling a black American to go back To Africa. It, in itself, is an outdated and offensive notion by its very nature.

 

[HashiraMadara]

So telling a woman to go back to the kitchen is just as bad as telling a black American to go back To Africa. It, in itself, is an outdated and offensive notion by its very nature.

Tell me then why is law favouring Women by default in custody if we are supposed to "look past evolutionary" purposes?

As for the black american part, those are simply two different things. Geographical positioning and evolutionary belonging aren't the same thing...

 

[Marin]

At the rate we're going all this sitting is gonna make us belong in the basement..

 

[Umari Senju]

Tell me then why is law favouring Women by default in custody if we are supposed to "look past evolutionary" purposes?

As for the black american part, those are simply two different things. Geographical positioning and evolutionary belonging aren't the same thing...

Same reason as I stated above it's an outdated notion. I don't think favoring the mom over the dad in custody battles is fair either. The only thing I can attest this to is because the majority of these types of things stems from a history of deadbeat dads leaving while mom is forced to raise the child so courts look favorably on the mom unless the dad can prove he is more fit to care for the child.

And your second point: no it's the same thing. It's an outdated notion based on something that happened in the past but is still used to demean black Americans to this day.

 

[nefraiko]

Mm. Probably because of the fact that we as men no longer hunt gather like we used to in the prehistoric days. Simply because we are built different from women doesn't mean they are incapable of being hunter gathers too. The lioness is the hunter in the pride and not the lion despite bein smaller and possessing less strength than the male.

Women get offended by this because we as a species have evolved passed the notion that this is how hunting gathering is still done today. Our bodies are smaller, are cranium is much bigger due to bigger brains, and our tools have evolved making it possible for a female to hunt and gather just as well a man. Do you know what happens to a species that doesn't evolve beyond concepts like these? They die out.

So telling a woman to go back to the kitchen is just as bad as telling a black American to go back To Africa. It, in itself, is an outdated and offensive notion by its very nature.

there are things a man just can't do :
- a man doesn't have the patience to look after the children like the woman who has instincts for that, she LOVES it or whatever it is but she does it perfectly, a man just can't do that

- by experience a man is more rational and is well suited for making decisions than a woman, even if she is highly educated, easily influenced by her emotions. that is because her emotions are so huge, she loves her kids waaay more than the father, a woman tends more to sacrifice herself for the family than the male

- but let's be honest, the man is given no privilege here : he has to work reaaly hard to get a female, workout in the gym, make as much money as he can, seduce the chick, go to war when the country is in war, provide for his family. he isn't gifted by nature like women like to believe, but all he is given are responsabilities. I mean, I know lots of women that studied with me that now got married before finishing their studies. while in my case, if I want me some legal ***** I have to get a job, a car, a house, and money to convince a woman to marry me. ah and I need to be healthy and handsome.

 

[Umari Senju]

there are things a man just can't do :
- a man doesn't have the patience to look after the children like the woman who has instincts for that, she LOVES it or whatever it is but she does it perfectly, a man just can't do that

- by experience a man is more rational and is well suited for making decisions than a woman, even if she is highly educated, easily influenced by her emotions. that is because her emotions are so huge, she loves her kids waaay more than the father, a woman tends more to sacrifice herself for the family than the male

- but let's be honest, the man is given no privilege here : he has to work reaaly hard to get a female, workout in the gym, make as much money as he can, seduce the chick, go to war when the country is in war, provide for his family. he isn't gifted by nature like women like to believe, but all he is given are responsabilities. I mean, I know lots of women that studied with me that now got married before finishing their studies. while in my case, if I want me some legal ***** I have to get a job, a car, a house, and money to convince a woman to marry me. ah and I need to be healthy and handsome.

I read your entire post and true there are somethings a man can't do that women can like give birth. But you lost me at bold.

That's some real BS there. My dad raised me and my brother all by himself. I had a deadbeat mom. My dad took care of us from birth and raised us with kindness strength and a sh*t ton of patience.

Also you realize women have their own set of standards they must adhere to in order to keep a man right? The dude may do all the courting to get the woman but the woman needs to maintain her looks, the house, carry the child to term, care for the child while the man works hard, and keep his interest sexually lest he bail. But no the dude does all the work right?

Oh and you are aware that women fight on the front lines in war too now right?? XD

But trying to pass the notion that because we are physically born different from women automatically denotes that women should take notions like staying in the kitchen as a compliment when it's a thing any gender can do is an archaic rationalization

 

[HashiraMadara]

Same reason as I stated above it's an outdated notion. I don't think favoring the mom over the dad in custody battles is fair either. The only thing I can attest this to is because the majority of these types of things stems from a history of deadbeat dads leaving while mom is forced to raise the child so courts look favorably on the mom unless the dad can prove he is more fit to care for the child.

Actually this is what forced the discussion in the first place. Why should you "win custody" by default because of evolution yet you don't want the same evolutionary traits thrown at you. Double standards, If you can win my son by being a woman then you surely belong in the kitchen by default as well. The system is pretty much unfair when it comes to that.

And your second point: no it's the same thing. It's an outdated notion based on something that happened in the past but is still used to demean black Americans to this day.

The difference is Africa is where you come from and a woman is what you are, you can't migrate from being a woman.

 

[Umari Senju]

Actually this is what forced the discussion in the first place. Why should you "win custody" by default because of evolution yet you don't want the same evolutionary traits thrown at you. Double standards, If you can win my son by being a woman then you surely belong in the kitchen by default as well. The system is pretty much unfair when it comes to that.




The difference is Africa is where you come from and a woman is what you are, you can't migrate from being a woman.

Did you read my post correctly? I didn't say they win by default because of evolution. I said they won by default be a history of deadbeat dads leaving the mom to care for the child with no help. Those repeated patterns forced a stigma on
men in a court of law. So we must now prove much harder than women that we aren't just going to bail on a kid if they hand custody over to us.

No I was born in America and my Ancestry dates back to Jamaica not Africa. You realize Africa is not the birthplace of all black peoples right? Tell a Haitian or Croatian to go back to Africa or tell a Korean to go back to China and see what happens

But black is what I am and I can't change that. Again same thing.

But I'm pretty much done. I have things to do now and I have made my point.

I know it isn't going to change how you think on this subject so I'll just let Ira and others pick this thread apart. Later

 

[Conspirator.]

We really shouldn't stereotype like that as it comes off as being rude and reductive. Plus, people should have the choice to do what they think is best for them. That being said. while we're on this topic, I read some time back that there was a study done which showed that stay at home mums were more satisfied than working mums on average, but then some feminists predictably labelled the study as "sexist".

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