[Discussion] The whole 'moral' side of One Piece makes little sense

[Kαmi]

As for reasons stated by Fireplay, Algalon, silmmaril, and cptenn94, gotta say I disagree. Plus the premise of your thread is a little off. Characters like Smoker, Aokiji, Coby, Garp, Tashigi, etc have been shown to be genuine good people, who have a different sense of justice than people like Akainu and others. Oda shows that not all people affiliated with the WG is bad, but people who have more powers than others have a warped sense of what is right and wrong. They take things too far sometimes and it can be perceived as evil.

We are shown that in the manga, evil does not lie within a group but within individuals. Not all pirates are evil, but some of them do some devastating shit. Not all of the WG is good, we've seen them act as heroes before. IMO, the moral side of One Piece is not only developing still, but Oda is trying to show that generalizations are not the way to go when it comes to a side of what group has the right or wrong morals.

 

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[chopstickchakra]

One piece has been about right and wrong; and the sense of justice from the very beginning. Though a great storyline in itself, I believe the 'moral' angle of the story is highly illogical. We can all agree to the fact that the series considers the World Government evil just because it eradicated the Ancient Empire. I do not understand why it matters. Battles and takeovers of the kingdom is a normal thing in history. Why blame the world government just for winning a war? Lets look at facts:

- The marines, a faction of World Government, are responsible for maintaining peace in the world. They are able to fulfill their duty in many places. People look upto them.

- The pirates (barring a few) create chaos across the world as is evident by the reaction of the people.

- Most of the crimes committed are by pirates/schichibukai or rogue marine soldiers (with an establishment as large as the world government, it is not possible to avoid these circumstances)

- There is a status difference b/s royal and normal families but that cannot be eradicates. This will always be there and we can see that throughout our world that we live in. Doesn't Luffy abuse his power by fighting with marines who are just fighting against pirates? If he is so concerned, why not convince them rather than fighting and killing thousands of innocent marine soldiers? He injured/killed thousands just to save Robin (who one can easily assume to be a big threat. I dare say that the Government is trying to protect the people)

- Whats wrong with trying to kill all pirates and Ace (Marineford arc) or kill Robin (Ennies Lobby). I mention these two incidents since the series portray Marines to be the villians here.

- The only thing where World Government goes too far is Tyrabbuntu. However, they are basically spoiled brats and do not actually interfere in the world's political matters. The political matters are taken care by Gorosei, Fleet Admiral etc. We can all say that Sengoku/Akainu want the world free of criminals. Whats wrong with that?

- People mat not see Fishmen/Tontatta as equals but so do they not see cattle/chicken/fish as equals. Whats wrong with that? They are not humans.

In brief, I am trying to say that the concept of One Piece is flawed because it portrays the WG is a villian and Luffy is the hero. However, I think Luffy is selfish only protecting his comrades and injuring thousand others abusing his power without understanding if other people are criminals or not. It can be argued that it is not possible to know about everyone but the argument will also be valid for WG then. Luffy just has another ideology, that is it.

The WG is the bad guy because they are corrupt.

"Battles and takeovers of the kingdom is a normal thing in history. Why blame the world government just for winning a war?"

For the exact same reason we blame the Nazi's for battling and conquering other countries, it's what they did after they got power not that they took power. It's ok though you'll understand when you're older.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

One piece has been about right and wrong; and the sense of justice from the very beginning. Though a great storyline in itself, I believe the 'moral' angle of the story is highly illogical. We can all agree to the fact that the series considers the World Government evil just because it eradicated the Ancient Empire. I do not understand why it matters. Battles and takeovers of the kingdom is a normal thing in history. Why blame the world government just for winning a war? Lets look at facts:

- The marines, a faction of World Government, are responsible for maintaining peace in the world. They are able to fulfill their duty in many places. People look upto them.

- The pirates (barring a few) create chaos across the world as is evident by the reaction of the people.

- Most of the crimes committed are by pirates/schichibukai or rogue marine soldiers (with an establishment as large as the world government, it is not possible to avoid these circumstances)

- There is a status difference b/s royal and normal families but that cannot be eradicates. This will always be there and we can see that throughout our world that we live in. Doesn't Luffy abuse his power by fighting with marines who are just fighting against pirates? If he is so concerned, why not convince them rather than fighting and killing thousands of innocent marine soldiers? He injured/killed thousands just to save Robin (who one can easily assume to be a big threat. I dare say that the Government is trying to protect the people)

- Whats wrong with trying to kill all pirates and Ace (Marineford arc) or kill Robin (Ennies Lobby). I mention these two incidents since the series portray Marines to be the villians here.

- The only thing where World Government goes too far is Tyrabbuntu. However, they are basically spoiled brats and do not actually interfere in the world's political matters. The political matters are taken care by Gorosei, Fleet Admiral etc. We can all say that Sengoku/Akainu want the world free of criminals. Whats wrong with that?

- People mat not see Fishmen/Tontatta as equals but so do they not see cattle/chicken/fish as equals. Whats wrong with that? They are not humans.

In brief, I am trying to say that the concept of One Piece is flawed because it portrays the WG is a villian and Luffy is the hero. However, I think Luffy is selfish only protecting his comrades and injuring thousand others abusing his power without understanding if other people are criminals or not. It can be argued that it is not possible to know about everyone but the argument will also be valid for WG then. Luffy just has another ideology, that is it.

One piece isn't about right and wrong. It's about freedom and adventure.