The war arc made it clear 1 MS KAKASHI > ITACHI

[V h o]

So MS protects against tsukuyomi now Lol

 

[Conspirator.]

MS Kakashi takes out Itachi due to his Kamui. 3T Kakashi is obviously above 3T Itachi too.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kishimoto was never accurate when it came to that when naruto comes back 2 1/2 yrs the bell excersize kakashi fight from afternoon to night then pain arc this guy after 2 chidori an lightning clone half his chakra gone?

He was on his way back from a mission.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Makes sense. 3T Sasuke only beat tsukuyomi due to hatred and Orochimaru's seal as it's said. MS vs. MS should be a match. Can 3T escape from a 3T genjutsu?

 

[Shruikan]

Makes sense. 3T Sasuke only beat tsukuyomi due to hatred and Orochimaru's seal as it's said. MS vs. MS should be a match. Can 3T escape from a 3T genjutsu?

Oro's seal acting up was in the genjutsu itself.Sasuke broke it on his own

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Oro's seal acting up was in the genjutsu itself.Sasuke broke it on his own

Thanks, it's been ages. Even more reason why tsukuyomi doesn't work on Kakashi

 

[Amaterasu]

War Arc Kakashi would win indeed

 

[Trúth]

Didn't read but the title was hilarious.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Inb4 itachi fans start flaming and posting nonsense (like KA solos or tsukuyomi solos), this is not a character bashing thread. We all know how powerfull itachi is, i'm just gonna make a list with Kakashi's war arc feats, wich really put him above itachi power-wise.

Okey lets start.

Kakashi gained amazing feats during the war arc

- Intelligence (Figured out how kamui works against obito, made an amazing plan to beat zabuza inside the mist, was the master tactician to beat Kaguya etc...)

-Genjutsu: Genjutsu'ed Obito who has the best genjutsu feats of the manga

- Speed, Taijutsu and Stamina (Kept up with 4 v2 jins at the same time and sliced them with lightining chain, used 6 kamuis 5 raikiris 3 clones and 2 earth jutsus before getting a chakra refill, Showed amazing reaction speed against obito etc...)

But the most important thing is his kamui. I know its boring and lame but the only thing that puts Kakashi above Itachi is his super haxxed overpowered and super fast KAMUI and that's a fact that all of us have to accept.

-He warped BM Naruto's clone so fast that not even Obito with rinnengan and sharingan saw what happened. (Works faster than amaterasu)

-He activated kamui faster than Susano arrows (Kakashi's reaction speed is top tier)

-He warped the gedo mazo's arm before it was summoned away. So kakashi can warp something even bigger than susano faster than a ST jutsu (summoning).

So

Tsukuyomi: Kakashi has MS, tsukuyomi wont work on him the same way it did before on part 1 so don't bring that fight here, we all know this time it wont work, Kakashi is not stupid.

Amaterasu: Kakashi's kamui activates faster and works faster, so if this is an all out fight from the beggining then it is Amaterasu vs Kamui and Kamui wins.

Susano: Kakashi warps the whole susano along with itachi in an instant. He already warped the gedo mazo's arm faster than madara's summoning.

Would have been legit if Kakashi wasn't fed kyubi and rikuudo steroids more than three times in the arc.

PS...figuring out after three encounters that the enemy is using the same jutsu as you aint no intelligence feat, it's actually a stupidity feat. Should have figured that out the first time around.

 

[eagle8]

we already know that kakashi can rape him whenever he wants

 

[Rohan]

I must say that the OP has raised some very valid points.

 

[King Of Pop]

the counter for tsukuyomi is flawed. MS wont protect him from it. to break it requires one with the same blood as itachi as he stated.

 

[EZQ]

It doesn't matter if Kakashi can cancel tsukuyomi or not.

You are all missing the point of the thread.

Itachi can't do nothing about Kamui

-Amaterasu: Useless kamui is faster

-Tsukuyomi: Kamui is faster

-Susano: Itachi along with the whole susano would get warped away by kamui

-Dodge it: Not fast enough. Kamui is so fast that Obito with rinnengan and sharingan didn't see it

 

[Scryed]

It doesn't matter if Kakashi can cancel tsukuyomi or not.

You are all missing the point of the thread.

Itachi can't do nothing about Kamui

-Amaterasu: Useless kamui is faster

-Tsukuyomi: Kamui is faster

-Susano: Itachi along with the whole susano would get warped away by kamui

-Dodge it: Not fast enough. Kamui is so fast that Obito with rinnengan and sharingan didn't see it

Amaterasu: Agree

Tsukyomi: Requires eye contact

Susanoo: Not so sure since Yata negates attacks. Kamui is transportation however so not so sure how that'll work.


Dodging it: Obito was tricked. He saw the clone vanish but had thought he dealt with it with the stake. Only to realize that instead of warping the Rasengan, Kakashi had warped the entire clone hence his comment, "Damn Kakashi, faster than the stake". Though I agree, Itachi isn't fast enough to actually dodge it.



IMO it depends if Kamui snipe is considered an attack despite being transportation.



Other than that...I guess I agree? I don't know..

 

[FemmeFatale]

Kakashi is a child of the plot, he should've been dead from
Chakra exhaustion long ago,

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

It doesn't matter if Kakashi can cancel tsukuyomi or not.

You are all missing the point of the thread.

Itachi can't do nothing about Kamui

-Amaterasu: Useless kamui is faster

-Tsukuyomi: Kamui is faster

-Susano: Itachi along with the whole susano would get warped away by kamui

-Dodge it: Not fast enough. Kamui is so fast that Obito with rinnengan and sharingan didn't see it

Bold. Didn't he stop Kakashi from warping the Juubi?

 

[Selan]

Inb4 itachi fans start flaming and posting nonsense (like KA solos or tsukuyomi solos), this is not a character bashing thread. We all know how powerfull itachi is, i'm just gonna make a list with Kakashi's war arc feats, wich really put him above itachi power-wise.

Okey lets start.

Kakashi gained amazing feats during the war arc

- Intelligence (Figured out how kamui works against obito, made an amazing plan to beat zabuza inside the mist, was the master tactician to beat Kaguya etc...)

-Genjutsu: Genjutsu'ed Obito who has the best genjutsu feats of the manga

- Speed, Taijutsu and Stamina (Kept up with 4 v2 jins at the same time and sliced them with lightining chain, used 6 kamuis 5 raikiris 3 clones and 2 earth jutsus before getting a chakra refill, Showed amazing reaction speed against obito etc...)

But the most important thing is his kamui. I know its boring and lame but the only thing that puts Kakashi above Itachi is his super haxxed overpowered and super fast KAMUI and that's a fact that all of us have to accept.

-He warped BM Naruto's clone so fast that not even Obito with rinnengan and sharingan saw what happened. (Works faster than amaterasu)

-He activated kamui faster than Susano arrows (Kakashi's reaction speed is top tier)

-He warped the gedo mazo's arm before it was summoned away. So kakashi can warp something even bigger than susano faster than a ST jutsu (summoning).

So

Tsukuyomi: Kakashi has MS, tsukuyomi wont work on him the same way it did before on part 1 so don't bring that fight here, we all know this time it wont work, Kakashi is not stupid.

Amaterasu: Kakashi's kamui activates faster and works faster, so if this is an all out fight from the beggining then it is Amaterasu vs Kamui and Kamui wins.

Susano: Kakashi warps the whole susano along with itachi in an instant. He already warped the gedo mazo's arm faster than madara's summoning.

Definitely this. Shippuden pre War Kakashi vs Itachi is already a lot debatable, I think it could go either way, but Shippuden War Arc Kakashi low diffs Itachi. DMS Rikudo Kakashi, well, he negs an army of 1000 Itachi, lol.

You also forgot when Kakashi came back from the other dimension with Kamui, then used five Kamui one after another, one against the giant Gedo Mazo, this while keeping the Sharingan activated and using Raikiri and other jutsu to fight Obito controlled by Black Zetsu together with Minato. Kakashi also showed quick reactions on par with Minato's and speed comparable to Gated Gai, also his Raiden + speed + Sharingan precognition was compared to Gai's 6th Gate boost + Asa Kujaku. **** it, Gai and Kakashi without going all out were able to counterblitz and handle the V2 jinchuriki far better than Bee and KCM Naruto could do.

Yeah there's nothing to say, if one is not butthurt, Kakashi with mastered Mangekyo negs Itachi thanks to Kamui. He can warp Itachi before he can even react, and the fun fact is that even if he a miracle makes him react (by feats it won't happen, sadly) still Itachi can't to nothing to stop the warp or to avoid it. Tsukuyomi is not a problem, Kakashi has full knowledge and he's smarter than Itachi, he is simply gonna feint him with a clone, as he canonically can do, while the real body warps his ass. Amaterasu is slower than Kamui and is also preempted by the eye crying blood, while Kamui doesn't; if Itachi is using Amaterasu, Kakashi will neg him with his faster and more haxxed jutsu, warping his head or body away. Susanoo also is not a problem, Kakashi is fast enough to avoid its sword and can feint him making Itachi waste his low chakra and stamina, and Kamui negs Susanoo, it warps either all the Susanoo with Itachi in it or Itachi in the Susanoo.

Itachi is only better in genjutsu, and that won't be a problem when Kakashi can face Obito's genjutsu and knows to avoid to be caught in Tsukuyomi. Kakashi is faster, has better reflexes, a lor more stamina and chakra to sustain his fighting skill and to use jutsu, is smarter, has far better arsenal of non Mangekyo ninjutsu (Raiden, Raikiri, Raikiri extended with Raijuu Hashiri, Rasengan, Raikiri in the kunai and weapons, Raiton Kage Bunshin, Kage Bunshin, Tajuu Kage Bunshin, Suiton Daibafuku, Suiton Suiryodan, Suiton Suijinheki, Suiton Suikodan, Doton Doryuheki, Doton Moguragakure and 1000 jutsu etc >>>>> Katon Gokakyu, Katon Hosenka Tsumabeni, Kage Bunshin, Karasu Bunshin, Bunshin Daibakuha, Suiton Suigadan and Suiton Suiryodan), and has a trump card that Itachi can't counter while he can counter his trump cards.

Part 1 Kakashi <<< Itachi (only if Itachi resorts to his Mangekyo)
Shippuden pre War Arc Kakashi = Itachi
Shippuden War Arc Kakashi >> Itachi
Shippuden War Arc DMS Rikudo Kakashi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Itachi

 

[EZQ]

Bold. Didn't he stop Kakashi from warping the Juubi?

It takes more time to warp something as big as the juubi, that's why obito had time to cancel it. But when he warped the gedo mazo's arm he did it instantly, the same with Naruto's BM Clone