The Uzumakis Were Indeed Just Distant Blood Relatives

[MilwaukeegHost]

You are making a categorical error by applying particular cases of intermarriages compared to the holistic approach in geneology, they were two distinct clans with their own culture and autonomy. Lol

Do you honestly think that the Uzumaki Clan's Life force is completely unrelated to the Senju Clan's Life Force said to come from the Sage's Younger Son (Yang = Life Force)??? This would be accepted as a shared "autonomy" as you stated.

Elder Son (Eyes/Yin)
Younger Son (Body/Yang)

Younger son said to have "inherited the Sage's body — life force and physical energy".
The Uzumaki Clan was said to "possess both incredible longevity and life force".

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Do you honestly think that the Uzumaki Clan's Life force is completely unrelated to the Senju Clan's Life Force said to come from the Sage's Younger Son (Yang)???

Ah but they are, but from where did the Senjus acquire it? From the Senju ancestor which in turn acquired it from his father: Rikudou Sennin, which in turn acquired it from his bloodline which is most probably the Uzumaki bloodline. Do you ever stop and wonder why the Uzumakis were the only ones capable of hosting Kurama and the only ones to survive a bijuu extraction proceds like Kushina? It is because their life force is stronger than the Senjus, the Senjus having merely that diluted life force as descendants of the Uzumakis

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Ah but they are, but from where did the Senjus acquire it? From the Senju ancestor which in turn acquired it from his father: Rikudou Sennin, which in turn acquired it from his bloodline which is most probably the Uzumaki bloodline. Do you ever stop and wonder why the Uzumakis were the only ones capable of hosting Kurama and the only ones to survive a bijuu extraction proceds like Kushina? It is because their life force is stronger than the Senjus, the Senjus having merely that diluted life force as descendants of the Uzumakis

Are you listening to yourself?

You are literally saying that the SAGE HIMSELF IS AN UZUMAKI (which I agree) but the decendents of the SAGE'S SON (BLOOD SON) are "distant" blood relatives?!? If the descendents of the Younger Son ARE the Senju, this makes the "Senju" Clan direct blood relatives of the Uzumaki Clan. BLOOD is passed down generationally by the FATHER, period.

If this was true, its like saying the family of your grand children (from your male son) is NOT your direct blood relatives. WTHell???

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Are you listening to yourself?
You are literally saying that the SAGE HIMSELF IS AN UZUMAKI (which I agree) but the decendents of the SAGE'S SON (BLOOD SON) are "distant" blood relatives?!? If the descendents of the Younger Son ARE the Senju, this makes the "Senju" Clan direct blood relatives of the Uzumaki Clan. BLOOD is passed down generationally by the FATHER, period.

If this was true, its like saying the family of your grand children (from your male son) is NOT your direct blood relative. WTHell???

Anyone who does not descend from a common ancestor (Rikudou Sennin) is classified as a distant blood relative, the same way your cousin is a distant blood relative, the present day Uzumakis descended from Rikudou Sennin's relatives, the Senjus and Uchihas descended from Rikudou, so any present day Uzumaki is a cousin of a Senju or Uchiha which makes them a distant blood relative, it's simple geneology really

 

[Scooby Doo]

I agree, it makes sense.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I agree, it makes sense.

Indubitably so

 

[justin edwards]

So if madara gave nagato the rennegan,,,,,how does nagato hav two rennegan eyes,,,,,,,,when madara showed obito he only had one eye aka at the time a sharingan,,,,,then later on madara one an only sharingan eye changed into rennegan,,,,,,,,an he gave it to nagato,,,,,,,,,,,,how is it possible for nagato to hav two rennegan eyes ,,,,,,,when madara only had one eye an he said that he gave nagato the rennegan

 

[The Western Wheel]

Yeah, but you kinda proved it already, right? So what's this? The cherry on top?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Yeah, but you kinda proved it already, right? So what's this? The cherry on top?

There are those (aka fanboys) who are still in denial

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Anyone who does not descend from a common ancestor (Rikudou Sennin) is classified as a distant blood relative, the same way your cousin is a distant blood relative, the present day Uzumakis descended from Rikudou Sennin's relatives, the Senjus and Uchihas descended from Rikudou, so any present day Uzumaki is a cousin of a Senju or Uchiha which makes them a distant blood relative, it's simple geneology really

The younger son directly descends from the Sage himself, HIS BLOOD SON, who you claim to be an Uzumaki. Correct?

The Senju descended from Rikudou Sennin's SON, NOT HIS SIBLINGS FAMILY. Using your logic, the younger son is an UZUMAKI by blood, but obviously his children changed the family name to SENJU.


USING THE "COUSIN" LOGIC:
My cousin's family is not my "direct blood" because they are my SIBLINGS CHILDREN. This makes my grandchildren my direct blood relatives, and my siblings grandchildren "distant blood" relatives. The Younger Son's children would be his direct blood relatives, while his siblings family (Uchiha) would be the "distant" blood relatives. Using this "cousin" logic, What am I missing here?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The younger son directly descends from the Sage himself, HIS BLOOD SON, who you claim to be an Uzumaki. Correct?

The Senju descended from Rikudou Sennin's SON, NOT HIS SIBLINGS FAMILY. Using your logic, the younger son is an UZUMAKI by blood, but obviously his children changed the family name to SENJU.


USING THE COUSIN LOGIC:
My cousin's family is not my family because they are my SIBLINGS CHILDREN. This makes my grandchildren my direct blood relatives, and my siblings grandchildren "distant blood" relatives. What am I missing here?

You are confusing the coefficient of relationships in geneology like the concepts of direct descent and common ancestry

A direct line descent means you are a an immediate/close relative. If you mean a non-direct descent then you are a "distant" relative. It all depends on the specific descent. Your Great-Great Uncle or your Great-Great-Great Grandfather. Both may come from the same lineage (Uzumaki) but you would be a distant relative to your Great-Great Uncle's descendants.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

You are confusing the coefficient of relationships in geneology like the concepts of direct descent and common ancestry

A direct line descent means you are a an immediate/close relative. If you mean a non-direct descent then you are a "distant" relative. It all depends on the specific descent. Your Great-Great Uncle or your Great-Great-Great Grandfather. Both may come from the same lineage (Uzumaki) but you would be a distant relative to your Great-Great Uncle's descendants.

Lineal descendant (From Wikipedia)

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A lineal descendant, in legal usage, refers to a blood relative in the direct line of descent - the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. of a person. In a legal procedure sense, lineal descent refers to the acquisition of estate by inheritance from grandfather to father, and father to son whereas collateral descent refers to the acquisition of estate or real property by inheritance from brother to brother, and cousin to cousin.

A collateral descendant ("Distant Blood Relative") is a legal term for a relative descended from a brother or sister of an ancestor, and thus a niece, nephew, or cousin.
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Please read the BOLD from the definition above referring to "close" VS "distant" blood relatives (lineal descent VS. collateral descendant).
The children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. of a person.... The Younger son is the CHILD of the Sage (an Uzumaki according to YOU). The Senju Clan started with the GRANDCHILDREN of the Younger Son of the Sage. Child/Grandchildren family = lineal descendent, or "Close" blood relative. Get it yet...?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Lineal descendant (From Wikipedia)

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A lineal descendant, in legal usage, refers to a blood relative in the direct line of descent - the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. of a person. In a legal procedure sense, lineal descent refers to the acquisition of estate by inheritance from grandfather to father, and father to son whereas collateral descent refers to the acquisition of estate or real property by inheritance from brother to brother, and cousin to cousin.

A collateral descendant ("Distant Blood Relative") is a legal term for a relative descended from a brother or sister of an ancestor, and thus a niece, nephew, or cousin.
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Please read the BOLD from the definition above referring to "close" VS "distant" blood relatives (lineal descent VS. collateral descendant).
The children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, etc. of a person.... The Younger son is the CHILD of the Sage (an Uzumaki according to YOU). The Senju Clan started with the GRANDCHILDREN of the Younger Son of the Sage. Child/Grandchildren family = lineal descendent, or "Close" blood relative. Get it yet...?

You said it yourself, direct line of descent, not common descent, is your grand uncle's descendants your immediate/close relatives? I dont think so, you're just proving my point is even more correct.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

You said it yourself, direct line of descent, not common descent, is your grand uncle's descendants your immediate/close relatives? I dont think so, you're just proving my point is even more correct.

The Younger Son is not the Senju Clan's "Grand Uncle"... it's their Grand FATHER....



I almost replied again... before I realized I must be getting "punk'd". Well played sir. LOL

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The Younger Son is not the Senju Clan's "Grand Uncle"... it's their Grand FATHER....



I almost replied again... before I realized I'm must be getting "punk'd". Well played sir. LOL

Tbh you're not making much sense, I'm referring to the Uzumaki ancestors of the current Uzumakis as the grand uncle of the Senjus and Uchihas, you're being laughably incoherent lol.

 

[BazzBee]

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[MilwaukeegHost]

Tbh you're not making much sense, I'm referring to the Uzumaki ancestors of the current Uzumakis as the grand uncle of the Senjus and Uchihas, you're being laughably incoherent lol.

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Dude your assuming that the "current" Uzumaki Clan did not also descend from the Sage/Younger Son lineage. The younger son (at birth) would still be considered an Uzumaki, and his children would be Uzumaki's. Do you know when the Younger Son's family started calling themselves "Senju"? No. Because the manga never states how many generations past before these UZUMAKI descendents (your theory) from the Younger Son started calling themselves "Senju".

YOU ASSUME THE CHILDREN OF THE YOUNGER SON WERE THE "SENJU" SIRNAME IMMEDIATELY.

If so, please post the manga that states the Younger Son's CHILDREN were referred to as Senju. For all we know, it could have been the great great grandchildren of the Younger Son that started calling themselves SENJU.

To be clear... If the 1st children of the Younger Son did not IMMEDIATELY change their family sirname to "Senju", there would obviously be "Uzumaki" and "Senju" bloodlines DIRECTLY RELATED to the Younger Son. #BOOM

 

[Almighty Ra]

Great read thanks for sharing

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Dude your assuming that the "current" Uzumaki Clan did not also descend from the Sage/Younger Son lineage. The younger son (at birth) would still be considered an Uzumaki, and his children would be Uzumaki's. Do you know when the Younger Son's family started calling themselves "Senju"? No. Because the manga never states how many generations past before these UZUMAKI descendents (your theory) from the Younger Son started calling themselves "Senju".

YOU ASSUME THE CHILDREN OF THE YOUNGER SON WERE THE "SENJU" SIRNAME IMMEDIATELY.

If so, please post the manga that states the Younger Son's CHILDREN were referred to as Senju. For all we know, it could have been the great great grandchildren of the Younger Son that started calling themselves SENJU. To be clear... If the 1st children of the Younger Son did not IMMEDIATELY change their family sirname to "Senju", there would obviously be "Uzumaki" and "Senju" bloodlines DIRECTLY RELATED to the Younger Son.

Even with your given example, the common direct ancestor being the Younger son, that would still make them close/immediate relatives for being a sibling clan, which is false because Kushina clearly stated they (the current Uzumakis) were distant blood relatives


Even if you refer to the Senjus or their descendants as Uzumakis, the fact remains that they descended from a common direct ancestor (Younger son) while the other Uzumakis (Kushina,Mito,etc) descended from Rikudou's other relatives, so any uzumaki not sharing the same direct ancestor (Elder/Younger Son) are classified as distant relatives.

 

[Honord Sage]

Ones more you have hit the nail on the Head. I would add simple Math for the extra punch. Uchiha DNA + Senju DNA = Uzumaki.