The uzumaki will be confirmed to be the original blood line

[DeadManWonderLand]

This is a good theory, really worth the read, so please correct me if I'm wrong. You are proposing that the so6p was more or less an Uzumaki, then passed on his inheritance to his younger and older sons, one and Uzumaki with the sages eyes, and the other an Uzumaki with the sages body. Then as time and generations progress, the two sons lineage along the lines created the Senju and Uchiha. Is that right? Or are the two sons not Uzumaki, but just the so6p is?

If they are Uzumaki, then wouldn't there be two distinct direct descendant Uzumaki clans? One with the body of the sage and the other with the eyes?[/QUOTE

Assuming the thread is correct the sage was an Uzumaki.When he gave birth to two sons the special chakra of the uzumaki was split between both children each receiving the yin and yang nature of the chakra respectively.The yin chakra of the elder ancestor resided in the eyes and through his evolution made the sharingan.The younger son inherited the yang nature of the sages chakra and was gifted with the body and logevity.His offspring would soon create the senju.While the uzumaki clan the sage was from retained the original characteristics of the chakra while the two sons took their respective halves and morphed it into their own distinct clans.tThe younger son who believed in peace maintained connections with the uzumaki clan.

 

[Griffith]

that would imply kakashi has uchiha blood and that is as we all know not the case.

Well eyes or not, he isn't a relative of the Uchiha, Danzo could've implanted Madara's rinnegan and not be any better off because he doesn't have the bloodline to use it.

I have responded to each person who has questioned me about this thread i would appreciate if i got the same kindness you said getting the eyes gives him uchiha dna are you implying that kakashi is now a uchiha as well ? and if not (because we all know he aint lol)why is different that nagato would somehow get uchiha dna simply from the rinnegan ? You can have it both ways if your theory on him getting the rinnegan implanted somehow gives nagato uchiha dna then that means kakashi also has uchiha dna but since we know that aint true what does that say about your idea in general then ?

a) anyone who has attained Uchiha powers in the series has received them by way of transplant. I've never seen anyone transfused Uchiha blood. However, Kakashi has been shown to use the Sharingan even more seamlessly than a seasoned Uchiha - noted by Itachi in part one of the manga. He has attained MS, something only a handful of elite Uchiha have been able to achieve. He was the one that technically activated the MS he possesses by killing his close friend Rin. I think it's safe to say that Kakashi is in possesion of Uchiha 'blood' and powers by having the Sharingan. My only question regarding Kakashi is whether he is of Senju heritage...

b)If Danzo was an Uchiha by birth, he wouldn't be able to use the Rinnegan. Why? Because no Uchiha has ever been shown to gain the Rinnegan through natural means. Madara attained the Rinnegan right before he died and way after he implanted Hashi's DNA. The only requirement for the Rinnegan is to have both Uchiha and Senju DNA. The four people shown with the Rinnegan (Rikkudou, Madara, Nagato and Obito) have all had a combination of both. So it's very conceivable that Danzo would have been able to use the Rinnegan...although he is fodder so its really pointless to argue about him.

 

[orona]

I think the real point here is that Nagato was said to be an Uzumaki and now well, of Senju lineage (umm maybe the translation isn't 100% accurate hehe)
And he can summon the Gedo Mazou, use the rinnegan, the only other person to be able to do that is Madara (and Obito), who is an Uchiha with Senju dna added = SO6P

Nagato doesn't have Uchiha blood as far as we know it and still uses the Rinnegan techs = he is a direct descendant of the SO6P

the end.

it doesn't work like that, that's like saying kakashi uses uchiha techniques so he's related to the uchiha. transplanting an eye gives you the abilities of that eye it has nothing to do with dna the only downfall is that it will cause more fatigue because the body isn't "naturally compatible"

-_- this thread pertains them to be the very clan the sage himself is from.The sage was was a priest and the uzumaki are renowned for their funinjustu.Funinjustu is what priest are typically affiliated with.

i know what you are saying but you didn't answer me and dont think im trying to flame you

where was it stated priests are affiliated with fuinjutsu?also since the sage was the first ever ninja why did no other clansmen have these abilities since he was supposedly an uzumaki and for that matter why weren't uzumaki's born with rinnegan if they are the root? i'm really not trying to flame you i just disagree, the i think the sage was just a guy from some clan from some village who became more than a man

 

[Griffith]

Uzumaki's do not naturally have both Uchiha and Senju DNA. They have the DNA of the younger son of the SO6P. And yes by Nagato having Madara's eyes he has access to Uchiha 'blood'. Since you want to get technical...doesn't an eyeball have blood in it? Sheesh, I liked the post but there's a fallacy in your theory homie.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

it doesn't work like that, that's like saying kakashi uses uchiha techniques so he's related to the uchiha. transplanting an eye gives you the abilities of that eye it has nothing to do with dna the only downfall is that it will cause more fatigue because the body isn't "naturally compatible"



i know what you are saying but you didn't answer me and dont think im trying to flame you

where was it stated priests are affiliated with fuinjutsu?also since the sage was the first ever ninja why did no other clansmen have these abilities since he was supposedly an uzumaki and for that matter why weren't uzumaki's born with rinnegan if they are the root? i'm really not trying to flame you i just disagree, the i think the sage was just a guy from some clan from some village who became more than a man

Do you know what funinjustu is ? (not trying to be mean its a serious question)Seals and spells and they are powers usually associated priest and monks.I have no idea what you second question is trying to apply but every uzumaki we know about is an expert in funinnjustu its been stated in the manga that is what the clan is known for.As stated by madara not even he awoke the rinnegan right away far from it actually he did not unlock the rinnegan until years later right before he died and even told obito that even though he has both strains of dna it is not certain he will unlock it.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Uzumaki's do not naturally have both Uchiha and Senju DNA. They have the DNA of the younger son of the SO6P. And yes by Nagato having Madara's eyes he has access to Uchiha 'blood'. Since you want to get technical...doesn't an eyeball have blood in it? Sheesh, I liked the post but there's a fallacy in your theory homie.

There is not a fallacy in my theory your argument against it is that you ASSUME the eyes give you the required dna.You seriously not going to try to convince me or anyone else on this base kakashi has uchiha dna that is so absurd i dont even know how to respond to that your whole case rest on the fact that the uhciha dna is in nagato by default of the rinnegan being inside him which means that kakashi would have it to and we know kakashi does not have uchiha dna and your opinion on whether he does or not is not evidence and thus meaningless in this debate if your going to try to debate provide facts and examples not your hunches.esp when it hinges on kakashi having uchiha dna /:

 

[orona]

Uzumaki's do not naturally have both Uchiha and Senju DNA. They have the DNA of the younger son of the SO6P. And yes by Nagato having Madara's eyes he has access to Uchiha 'blood'. Since you want to get technical...doesn't an eyeball have blood in it? Sheesh, I liked the post but there's a fallacy in your theory homie.

no, by having an eye he does not haveuchiha 'blood' an eyeball may have blood in it but in this contextblood refers to dna. kakashi doesn't have uchiha blood now that he has a sharingan, he just has a sharingan. does Ao now have hyuuga blood no just a byakugan. an eye doesn't alter a persons genetic code dude

Do you know what funinjustu is ? Seals and spells and they are powers usually associated priest and monks.I have no idea what you second question is trying to apply but every uzumaki we know about is an expert in funinnjustu its been stated in the manga that is what the clan is known for.As stated by madara not even he awoke the rinnegan right away far from it actually he did not unlock the rinnegan until years later right before he died and even told obito that even though he has both strains of dna it is not certain he will unlock it.

i am well aware of what fuinjutsu is, are you? because now you're talking about spells. fuinjutsu is sealing jutsus and only sealing jutsus, there are zero spells in naruto. i guess if you wanna be a **** about it you can say pretty much everything is a spell but that's not how it's presented in naruto. anyway the uzumaki had a village in the land of whirlpools that was destroyed due to fear of fuinjutsu but once again. . .

WHEN WAS IT STATED THAT THIS WAS COMMON AMONG PRIESTS AND NOW APPARENTLY MONKS?
why would it even matter anyway?

why are you telling me this stuff? i read the manga i know what madara said to obito already what i want to figure out is where you got the idea that the SOSP is an uzumaki because he used fuinjutsu because at this point it seems like thats why you believe it

 

[saratobi sasuke]

This post of yours is all guided the by presumption that i implied a third son ? well your mistaken i never said anything like that the diagram is very simple if you feel intimidated by that its your fault for being as ****ing stupid as you are dont make that my problem go read the thread over again or leave the thread before your stupid spreads like a bad plague

Intimidated? By you? Dream on kid never in a thousand years. iTS JUST THAT your theory was just plain outright dumb( dumbness). Cause your a total total dumb ass i presume..Your as lousy as your avatar for your info. You Sure are full of yourself. CLAIMING YOUR THEORY AS A FACT, GUESS WHAT IS LOUSY THEORY BY THE WAY. For your info i've read only your 1st post and in the thread in page 1.. Am comment earlier was base on what i think about your plain dumb hypothesis and am not referring to other comments. Stop being a d*ck as face facts its in the manga, the characters already had said it. Quote me someday if am wrong but surely it will never happen in your life time FUZZY BROWS.


PS. get a girlfriend or a boyfriend perhaps(you gay)? Life exist outside the internet world. Seems like you got plenty of time replying to others comments.. And good luck try to get laid sometimes! Am outta here fuzzy Brows!

 

[Griffith]

Your theory makes no sense because how do you explain Madara using the Rinnegan? Obito? Did they implant Uzumaki DNA? No. They specifically used Hashirama Senju's DNA. Madara put Hashi's blood in his wound and that's how he ended up getting access to Senju power. So if that's all it took for him to get Senju powers, then an eye transplant should give access to Uchiha DNA. How do you explain Danzo using Izanagi? Dont you need Uchiha DNA and Senju DNA? He didnt have Uchiha blood transfused in him, he had an arm full of Sharingan allowing him to use Izanagi. The eye transplant assumption that I'm making is a pretty safe assumption to make. The manga states that the elder son received the eyes of his father while the younger son received the body and life force. Hmm, so far we have seen the transfusion of Senju DNA and the transplantation of Uchiha eyes and yet those who have received these powers through unnatural means have been able to utilize these powers. (Kakashi with the Sharingan, Yamato with Mokuton, etc.) So it's a safe assumption to make that a Sharingan/Rinnegan transplant gives the user access to Uchiha DNA.


Uzumaki's dont have the blood of both brothers. They are of Senju lineage. Whether they Senju descended from them or vice versa remains to be seen .. but consider your argument debunked.

BakaYaro KonoYaro

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

no, by having an eye he does not haveuchiha 'blood' an eyeball may have blood in it but in this contextblood refers to dna. kakashi doesn't have uchiha blood now that he has a sharingan, he just has a sharingan. does Ao now have hyuuga blood no just a byakugan. an eye doesn't alter a persons genetic code dude



i am well aware of what fuinjutsu is, are you? because now you're talking about spells. fuinjutsu is sealing jutsus and only sealing jutsus, there are zero spells in naruto. i guess if you wanna be a **** about it you can say pretty much everything is a spell but that's not how it's presented in naruto. anyway the uzumaki had a village in the land of whirlpools that was destroyed due to fear of fuinjutsu but once again. . .

WHEN WAS IT STATED THAT THIS WAS COMMON AMONG PRIESTS AND NOW APPARENTLY MONKS?
why would it even matter anyway?

why are you telling me this stuff? i read the manga i know what madara said to obito already what i want to figure out is where you got the idea that the SOSP is an uzumaki because he used fuinjutsu because at this point it seems like thats why you believe it

Where did your anger come from dont spazz on me i said Seals and spells are powers usually associated priest and monks.I did not say in this context (the naruto world)funinjust meant spells you putting words in my mouth.no shit funinjusut means seals for the naruto universe and you obviously do not know what funinjustu means.I used the reference of the uzumaki being funinjustu expert as one example you did not ask me my primary reason for why i made this thread so stop acting like what i said about the uzumaki being funinjustu is the main reason.You have showed me that you do not know what funinjustu means and by your last statement you have proven to me that you have no idea what a priest or monk is.Look this shit up if you dont know.Why am i telling you ?Because you ****ing asked me retard or do you not remember what you posted ten minutes ago ? you said he was some guy from some clan so i provided you a trait that they both shared that no other nin does.are you mentally ill ?I also told you that madara said himself that the rinnegan did not awaken until he was almost dead and that he also told obito even though he has both strains of dna he is not gaurenteed to get the rinnegan rhat is why not everyone who has the dna will get the rinnegan .Dont ask me about something then get mad after i tell you

where was it stated priests are affiliated with fuinjutsu?also since the sage was the first ever ninja why did no other clansmen have these abilities since he was supposedly an uzumaki and for that matter why weren't uzumaki's born with rinnegan if they are the root? i'm really not trying to flame you i just disagree, the i think the sage was just a guy from some clan from some village who became more than a man

 

[crysis04]

nice one there

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Your theory makes no sense because how do you explain Madara using the Rinnegan? Obito? Did they implant Uzumaki DNA? No. They specifically used Hashirama Senju's DNA. Madara put Hashi's blood in his wound and that's how he ended up getting access to Senju power. So if that's all it took for him to get Senju powers, then an eye transplant should give access to Uchiha DNA. How do you explain Danzo using Izanagi? Dont you need Uchiha DNA and Senju DNA? He didnt have Uchiha blood transfused in him, he had an arm full of Sharingan allowing him to use Izanagi. The eye transplant assumption that I'm making is a pretty safe assumption to make. The manga states that the elder son received the eyes of his father while the younger son received the body and life force. Hmm, so far we have seen the transfusion of Senju DNA and the transplantation of Uchiha eyes and yet those who have received these powers through unnatural means have been able to utilize these powers. (Kakashi with the Sharingan, Yamato with Mokuton, etc.) So it's a safe assumption to make that a Sharingan/Rinnegan transplant gives the user access to Uchiha DNA.


Uzumaki's dont have the blood of both brothers. They are of Senju lineage. Whether they Senju descended from them or vice versa remains to be seen .. but consider your argument debunked.

BakaYaro KonoYaro

your whole point in being here was to disprove me and now that the point you were trying to make have been disproved itself your just going to cling to random questions i already answered why dont you admit defeat already ?You do not get dna from the eye listen to what the guy just said to you.face it your statement has been shot down

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Intimidated? By you? Dream on kid never in a thousand years. iTS JUST THAT your theory was just plain outright dumb( dumbness). Cause your a total total dumb ass i presume..Your as lousy as your avatar for your info. You Sure are full of yourself. CLAIMING YOUR THEORY AS A FACT, GUESS WHAT IS LOUSY THEORY BY THE WAY. For your info i've read only your 1st post and in the thread in page 1.. Am comment earlier was base on what i think about your plain dumb hypothesis and am not referring to other comments. Stop being a d*ck as face facts its in the manga, the characters already had said it. Quote me someday if am wrong but surely it will never happen in your life time FUZZY BROWS.


PS. get a girlfriend or a boyfriend perhaps(you gay)? Life exist outside the internet world. Seems like you got plenty of time replying to others comments.. And good luck try to get laid sometimes! Am outta here fuzzy Brows!

Don't hate me because i am beautiful.I see plenty of profanity and assumptions maybe one day you'll include a couple facts and examples that showcase the point you are trying to make.If your not intimidated by the diagram congrats its not hard to figure out lol I sure hope you period ends because your kinda being a major bitch a zoid

 

[Griffith]

your whole point in being here was to disprove me and now that the point you were trying to make have been disproved itself your just going to cling to random questions i already answered why dont you admit defeat already ?You do not get dna from the eye listen to what the guy just said to you.face it your statement has been shot down

I've used facts to support my assumptions and you use conjecture. Your theory is false. I'm not going to argue with someone who took the time to draw a fake and false SO6P family tree and is using that as the basis of his argument. Keep drawing those diagrams though, next Wednesday your gonna have to hit the drawing board again. Smh...peace

 

[oShux]

Fail Senju and Uchiha are the descendants it was said in the anime and manga GTFO

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

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[Meowazziel]

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So you believe that all uzumaki (those who are not descendant of the sage as well), have both uchiha and senju in them?
Or Uzumaki + uchiha + senju
or Uzumaki=uchiha + senju?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

All senju,uchiha and uzumaki are descendants of the safe not just a select few and by what this thread suggest is
Uchiha + Senju = Uzumaki.This thread regards the sage as being apart of the Uzumaki clan.

The older son, who inherited the Sage's powerful chakra and spiritual energy and manifested it in the eyes the yin nature of his chakra.The younger son inherited the Sage's powerful will and physical energy manifesting it throughout his body retaining the yang nature of his chakra.The thread states overall that the elder and younger son took the split power of the uzumaki and over the years morphed the power into their own as the elder son eventually made the uchiha and sharingan and the younger son eventually led way to the senju but seeing how the younger son believed in peace he kept his ties with the uzumaki who as a whole clan retained the original characteristics of the clan and continued to be a separate and distinct clan of its own demonstrated by my graph which is backed up by the disambiguation of lineage in evolutionary terms.

 

[raziel777]

If they kept it exclusive you would still see a strong senju numbers which we dont.

Only the uzumaki are known for their longevity. The senju clan was made of senju. They disbanded in modern times.. And how can u believe the elitist uchiha would do what you say. Yeah right... Then why is the knowledge of the rikudo lost ? Hashi would know the eldest son he is his dad... The world wouldnt have forgotten so soon about them.

 

[robert31393]

your totally right . in the last manga it was stated that madara was the only one that can control gedo mazou and it is because he infused senju dna(relatives of uzumaki) in order to do so. my theory is this... uchiha dna + senju dna =uzumaki dna (which is being able to control the gedo mazou) so the uzumaki clan is more likely to be the original bloodline of rikudou sennin. this would explain why a uzumaki member (nagato) infused with uchiha eyes can control the gedo mazou and a uchiha member (obito) infused with senju dna can also control the gedo mazou.