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Definitaly they are fast. But there people out there like naruto who can counter them with their reserved speed.
The underestimation of Naruto's speed on the base is criminal
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Definitaly they are fast. But there people out there like naruto who can counter them with their reserved speed.
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Some of his speed feats are really amazing but at the same time he isn't someone hailed for his speed...
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To those saying that this feat is invalid because it's "off-panel" are really over thinking what could have happened to not make Naruto fast.
Off-panel does not automatically make a feat not valid. When these things happen, the person saying it's not valid must bring good proof that this was not fast instead of throwing it away as "inconclusive." Otherwise, since it's a manga portrayal of someone getting some place fast, it's automatically a speed feat. I'm going to disprove the nay-sayers of Naruto's speed in 2 ways: context and observation.
1. Context.
Put yourself in Kishimoto's shoes.
Take the context into consideration. Kishimoto is clearly making a statement through his panels that Naruto's great. Now tell me something. If you were Kishimoto, would you give someone an "average speed feat" that could demonstrate how he could not be fast to somebody you're about to hype? Answer: NO. You'd clearly show off his attributes and that they're awesome and wouldn't dumb it down for "Well he could have been just mediocre." No no. Going by context, his speed was being hyped up to being fast.
2. Observation.
Some are saying he could have ran earlier. Look closely at these pages closely.
From this, I observe 3 things.
1. Naruto is on top of Asura Path.
2. he's directly in front of Tsunade.
3. His cape is Upward angle diagonally toward's above Tsunade and Gamakichi.
From this, one can make 3 conclusions
A. If going by the argument that Naruto ran earlier, he'd have to have to run around Tsunade in order to intercept Asura Path and hitting him downwards.(which is very unlikely, it doesn't explain why the cape went that high)
B. He ran towards Tsunade, jumped over her, then proceeded to destroy Asura Path. This is also unlikely since this would slow him down.
of C. The one that fits context and observations the best. Naruto jumped directly from Gamakichi in order to intercept Asura Path. This explains how he could be directly in front of Tsunade and on top of Asura Path since he came from Gamakichi, who's much higher than both. This would explain why his cape is at an upward angle since he came from higher ground, and since he came at an angle, it isn't straight up in the air. This means he crossed more distance than Asura Path acting as a human rocket in the same amount of time.
So many things point this out to be a legitimate speed feat. Just for the heck of it, I'll demonstrate that if this counts as an "off-panel" speed feat that many of Sasuke's speed feats are "off-panel."
I'll throw the nay-sayer's reasoning of why Naruto's feat isn't legitimate right back at you. Nothing out-right shows that Sasuke crossed the distance at an instant. For all you know, it took some time even if it's a small amount. This was an off-panel feat since we didn't see it take place. Guess it doesn't count.
Then there's this.
This was also off-panel since we didn't see it take place. We saw nothingness for a panel. Since this was off panel, we don't know if it took an instant or several seconds. Guess this feat is invalid as well.
We don't know when he started. just because we saw the kunai near Naruto doesn't mean that's when he started. Guess that makes one of Minato's speed feats "off panel" and invalid.
Before you say that my debunking of these speed feats is far-fetched, 1 word in response. EXACTLY!!! Notice that when I apply this fallacious reasoning on other characters it seems absolutely ridiculous. The reasoning I used to "debunk" these "off-panel" speed feats is the same line of thinking used to say SM Naruto's feat is meaningless. The reason why this exact same reasoning seems ridiculous when applied to different characters is because you show favoritism to the other characters. You have the preconceived notion that SM Naruto isn't fast for whatever reason, and so you find something contradicting your view(an impressive speed feat from SM Naruto) so you try to find holes on how it could not be valid to fit your views. Trouble is, it's every bit as valid as the other speed feats in this manga, so what you're actually doing is destroying the concept of speed feats altogether and taking things out of context. Your attempts to disprove SM Naruto's speed sounds as ridiculous to me as my attempts to disprove the other speed feats sounds ridiculous to you.
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Off-panel does not automatically make a feat not valid. When these things happen, the person saying it's not valid must bring good proof that this was not fast instead of throwing it away as "inconclusive." Otherwise, since it's a manga portrayal of someone getting some place fast, it's automatically a speed feat. I'm going to disprove the nay-sayers of Naruto's speed in 2 ways: context and observation.
1. Context.
Put yourself in Kishimoto's shoes.
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Take the context into consideration. Kishimoto is clearly making a statement through his panels that Naruto's great. Now tell me something. If you were Kishimoto, would you give someone an "average speed feat" that could demonstrate how he could not be fast to somebody you're about to hype? Answer: NO. You'd clearly show off his attributes and that they're awesome and wouldn't dumb it down for "Well he could have been just mediocre." No no. Going by context, his speed was being hyped up to being fast.
2. Observation.
Some are saying he could have ran earlier. Look closely at these pages closely.
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From this, I observe 3 things.
1. Naruto is on top of Asura Path.
2. he's directly in front of Tsunade.
3. His cape is Upward angle diagonally toward's above Tsunade and Gamakichi.
From this, one can make 3 conclusions
A. If going by the argument that Naruto ran earlier, he'd have to have to run around Tsunade in order to intercept Asura Path and hitting him downwards.(which is very unlikely, it doesn't explain why the cape went that high)
B. He ran towards Tsunade, jumped over her, then proceeded to destroy Asura Path. This is also unlikely since this would slow him down.
of C. The one that fits context and observations the best. Naruto jumped directly from Gamakichi in order to intercept Asura Path. This explains how he could be directly in front of Tsunade and on top of Asura Path since he came from Gamakichi, who's much higher than both. This would explain why his cape is at an upward angle since he came from higher ground, and since he came at an angle, it isn't straight up in the air. This means he crossed more distance than Asura Path acting as a human rocket in the same amount of time.
So many things point this out to be a legitimate speed feat. Just for the heck of it, I'll demonstrate that if this counts as an "off-panel" speed feat that many of Sasuke's speed feats are "off-panel."
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I'll throw the nay-sayer's reasoning of why Naruto's feat isn't legitimate right back at you. Nothing out-right shows that Sasuke crossed the distance at an instant. For all you know, it took some time even if it's a small amount. This was an off-panel feat since we didn't see it take place. Guess it doesn't count.
Then there's this.
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This was also off-panel since we didn't see it take place. We saw nothingness for a panel. Since this was off panel, we don't know if it took an instant or several seconds. Guess this feat is invalid as well.
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We don't know when he started. just because we saw the kunai near Naruto doesn't mean that's when he started. Guess that makes one of Minato's speed feats "off panel" and invalid.
Before you say that my debunking of these speed feats is far-fetched, 1 word in response. EXACTLY!!! Notice that when I apply this fallacious reasoning on other characters it seems absolutely ridiculous. The reasoning I used to "debunk" these "off-panel" speed feats is the same line of thinking used to say SM Naruto's feat is meaningless. The reason why this exact same reasoning seems ridiculous when applied to different characters is because you show favoritism to the other characters. You have the preconceived notion that SM Naruto isn't fast for whatever reason, and so you find something contradicting your view(an impressive speed feat from SM Naruto) so you try to find holes on how it could not be valid to fit your views. Trouble is, it's every bit as valid as the other speed feats in this manga, so what you're actually doing is destroying the concept of speed feats altogether and taking things out of context. Your attempts to disprove SM Naruto's speed sounds as ridiculous to me as my attempts to disprove the other speed feats sounds ridiculous to you.