[Predictions] The Uchiha Madara Story

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In this post, I will bring to you Madara's life-story and his plans. Note that certain points are independent of each other and some might be true when others false.

Part 1: Madara and Shodai

Madara lost to Shodai at the VotE deliberately. There are a number of reasons why.

1) The first and most obvious question is:

How and why did Madara lose, given that he engaged Hashirama many a time prior to the battle at the VotE?

If anything, it wasn't Madara, the immortal, who was getting weaker. Madara was never weak, and still isn't; he took out half of Uchiha relatively recently, possesses the pinnacle of space-time techiques, threatened Team Hawk, and defeated a bijuu easily. If Itachi was stronger, there is no reason Itachi wouldn't have killed him; in fact it would have been in Itachi's interest to have Madara dead for certain reasons.

However, Shodai died shortly after that battle. Whether or not Shodai was sick prior to the fight, or killed by wounds from that battle is uncertain. However, it is noteworthy that Shodai distributed the bijuus relatively early on, probably before the battle with Madara (as he died soon after). We weren't shown any other bijuus at the VotE either. Thus, it would have been Shodai with a fewer number of bijuus, and Madara would have remained as powerful as he still had the Fox. Read the spoiler below for insight into the likely history of the bijuus.

Madara summoned and sicced the Fox on Konoha. Here we get the impression that Madara was controlling the Fox and Shodai was trying to subdue it. It is almost certain that after this battle, the Fox was not in Konoha or with Shodai. If it were, we would have expected the Fox to have been sealed within a Jinchuuriki, simply because it was the only bijuu that Shodai kept for his own village; he distributed the others. Thus, if it were sealed into a Jinchuuriki and passed from one generation to another as in the Hidden Sand, there would never have been an Fox attack on Konoha to begin with.

Shodai and the Bijuus

The Fox has always been the bijuu of the Uchiha. This would explain how the Uchiha didn't get demolished by Senju like every other clan; they also had a bijuu which they could control. This would also justify the suspicions of the Konoha elders after the Fox attacked.

We must first calculate how many bijuu Shodai had, and this is simple arithemetic:

Here, Madara says Shodai had several bijuus. Note that he says 'several' and not 'all'. Therefore, Shodai did not have all the bijuus.

In the same reference, Madara proceeds to say that Shodai first gave one to each of the great nations. Exluding Konoha, that would make 4 nations and thus 4 bijuus. However, we know that the country of Lightning received 2 bijuus (KillerBee and Nii Yugito were Jinchurikis). There could be two reasons for this:

1) They were the weakest country at the time, and needed 2 bijuus for balancing the power.
2) They demanded a heavy price for peace, maybe because they were the strongest country after the Fire nation.

In any case, Shodai distributed 5 bijuus here (3 single bijuus + 2 bijuus to Lightning). Then, he gave to 'other lands'. Now since that is in plural, it would mean at least 2 bijuus. Thus, simple arithemetic tells us 5 + 2 = 7 bijuus minimum (maximum 8).

We are told that prior to the creation of the great nations, clans fought each other endlessly. Here, Itachi says Madara 'took control' of every clan he encountered. I think that during this era, clans fought each other, and the winning clan would simply take various items from the defeated one as spoils of war, and this would include bijuu. This also explains how Shodai had so many bijuu: by fighting and defeating various clans, Shodai obtained almost all the bijuu. There is no reason that Shodai could not obtain all the bijuu, except that one of the bijuus could be controlled by the sharingan as shown here, namely the Fox. So, I think that Shodai probably had all the bijuus except the Fox. He gave out all of his own bijuus, and what remained were Madara and the Fox, which was kept in the village. When Madara rebelled, he took the Fox with him, and this left Konoha without a bijuu.

Conclusion

Madara had custody of the Fox and was responsible for the attack on Konoha, just as Itachi said.

So, if the equation in the era of wars prior to Konoha read like this:

Shodai + Bijuus = Madara + Fox

and Madara is immortal, then theoretically, Shodai could not have won at the VotE. In other words, Madara made it appear so to deceive everyone. This would make perfect sense if:

2) There was no point in killing Shodai at the VotE.

Hashirama was a hero, to both Senju and Uchiha, as well as the Fire country at large.

His own clansmen favored Shodai, and called Madara power-hungry, selfish and fratricidal . Thus, even if Madara killed Shodai, he would have been seen as a treacherous rebel. He would not have been crowned Hokage and embraced by the village, but instead hunted by the entire nation of Fire as the terrorist who killed their great hero Hashirama. Therefore, it would not have been in Madara's interest to even win this battle. So why did he fight there? Madara faked his death. It is explained below.

3) To accomplish his plan in the long run, Madara needed to disappear by fabricating his own death.

Madara says he felt betrayed by his clan prior to the VotE battle. He made peace with Senju, but notice he makes mention of hatred and irreconcilability as he is compelled to sign the treaty. He then states he was betrayed and he left the village. Ironically, I think this is where Madara's betrayal started. This is where he decided that he was going to have his revenge, and he started planning. In order to defeat a mighty village like Konoha, which had exceptional ninjas and only the strongest clans as constituents as well as the mysterious and famous 'will of fire', Madara knew it would require more than just a lone man on a rampage. He would have to concoct a long-term master plan. As an immortal, Madara always had time on his side.

when Madara left the village for the first time, he had worked out the beginnings of his plan. At this point, he may have secured a position or gained some allies in the Mist or he could have founded Akatsuki. In any case, the foundation was layed. However, Madara needed to vanish from history in order to further his plans; if Konoha knew he was alive and scheming, ANBU teams and cooperation with other villages (Shodai made peace with other nations and gave away bijuus) would hinder Madara's plans. It would certainly help keep suspicious ninjas like Jiraiya off his trail. Therefore, Madara needed to fake his own death, and he did so with great success at the VotE. What happened was exactly what Madara wanted; he was forgotten by everyone, even 'history'..

Note that Madara appears to be stabbed through the chest with a sword, much like our friend Tobi, and on both occasions, he played dead. I wonder whether it did him any harm at all....I don't think Madara left behind a corpse though, and thus Jiraiya's suspicions had a basis.

Part 2: Madara and Uchiha

I don't believe Madara's intention was to destroy Konoha when he unleashed the Fox. It was all done to frame Uchiha. If Madara was actually serious about destroying Konoha, he should have attacked himself with the Fox (he is one of the strongest of all time and can control the Fox and utilize it more effectively), had the Mist village invade as well, used Akatsuki ninjas (if they were around at the time), and used Danzou's ANBU as well possibly. Furthermore, sending a lone Fox to a village brimming with S-class ninja would not have been wise; we have already seen various Akatsuki defeat bijuus and powerful jinchurikis. The yellow flash had quite a reputation, and so did the 3rd hokage. Therefore, I believe Madara actually did it to frame Uchiha rather than to destroy the village.

Regardless of whether Madara is Danzou or just an ally, the two worked together to frame Uchiha and justify a massacre order. The spoiler below explains how exactly Madara used the Fox and eventually exterminated the Uchiha clan; it is taken from another post of mine:

am also entertaining the thought that it was Madara who manipulated the Uchiha into planning a coup d’?tat in the first place, thus creating a basis for the massacre. I think he could have done this in two ways:

A- Danzou could have told the Uchiha that they should overthrow the 3rd, and that his black ops division would assist them. Firstly, Danzou is firm in his opposition to the philosophy of the Hokages, as Tsunade says. We know that he actually fought the 3rd for the title as well. Therefore, the Uchiha would have seen him as a potential ally. Secondly, it has already been hinted that the Uchiha thought they had allies in ANBU. There is some speculation in the spoiler below.

If this is the case, then it is possible that Itachi found out about Madara/Danzou's plan to take leadership (even if the Uchiha helped in the coup, it would be Danzou who would become Hokage) in Konoha, but instead reached a compromise with Madara: he would help eliminate the Uchiha, but let the village be. In other words, the massacre may have been Itachi's idea in an effort to save the village at the expense of the clan, and Madara didn't mind, because he was vengeful toward Uchiha as well. Madara didn't care much, as he eventually planned to take over the village as well; it was just a matter of time as he would outlive Itachi. But this way, Madara got his fill of revenge as well. And now that Itachi is dead, Madara/Danzou intends to take Konoha. If this is true, then it would make sense for Itachi to educate Sasuke about the EMS, and explain why he told him about Madara; Itachi was preparing Sasuke to take down Madara in the long-term, as Itachi could not do it himself.

B- Madara could have provoked the rebellion indirectly using the Fox. After unleashing the Fox (see spoiler below), everyone grew wary of Uchiha and they were isolated by Danzou, and the 3rd opposed it.. Moreover, it was Danzou's black ops that were in charge of monitoring Uchiha. Danzou subjected Uchiha to increasing pressure and discrimination until Uchiha felt like they had no other choice but to fight for their freedom and their pride as a powerful clan. In effect, Danzou forced a rebellion, and if he really opposed the 3rd and not Uchiha, he shouldn't have discriminated against them. It is clear that had he wanted, Danzou could have avoided discriminating against Uchiha and seemed like he was giving them the benefit of the doubt after the Fox attack. He would have had the 3rd's support as well, and thus would have succeeded.

The bottom line is that Danzou/Madara could have used one or both of the above means to induce a coup d'etat and then massacre Uchiha.

Madara and the Uchiha Brothers

The timing of the Fox attack is extremely significant. One may think that at any time after Shodai's death, Madara could have unleashed the Fox.

But why then?

Because of Itachi and Sasuke; a potential EMS pair. As soon as Sasuke is born, and the prodigy Itachi has a brother, Madara unleashes the Fox and acts on his plan to get revenge on Uchiha, almost as if he was waiting for a Sasuke/Itachi pair to appear. Note that if Madara had actually destroyed the village using the aforementioned means, Sasuke and Itachi might actually have been killed. This explains why exactly Madara had not destroyed Konoha by that time.

One may ask how rare is EMS potential? Well, it's about as rare as the Rinnegan; the Rinnegan has appeared twice in history, and the EMS has only appeared once, but the potential has appeared twice. The reason for this is that an EMS requires two extremely talented people to be born at around the same time and in the same clan: Uchiha.

Madara and Itachi

The Plan:

So, the Fox attack and the massacre could have all been part of Madara's plan to produce an EMS. Actually, Madara may have engineered the massacre and actually anticipated 'Itachi's plan for Sasuke' ahead of time, and even have initiated the massacre plan just for that reason. Madara had been keeping an eye on Itachi: he was well aware of Itachi's peaceful nature, and this made Itachi's actions predictable; if given a choice, Itachi would chose to save more people i.e. Konoha over Uchiha. Madara probably got him into ANBU through Danzou in the first place as well.

Madara also saw to it that Sasuke was strong enough (possibly through Sai, Orochimaru, and Deidara) to achieve EMS. He then made sure that Itachi's plan went through successully by stalling Naruto and gang, and immediately recovering Sasuke after the battle and awakening Sasuke's MS.

Itachi and Akatsuki:

Madara may even have kept an eye on Itachi through Kisame. Kisame may have murdered the Feudal Lords on Madara's (Mizukage) orders (possibly political reasons), and joined Akatsuki on his orders (directly or indirectly) too; Madara also paired him with Itachi, to keep a check on Itachi. For example, he knew Itachi was very ill and taking medicine, and obviously since Madara himself (or anyone else) wasn't anywhere near Itachi (nor is there evidence Itachi wrote to Madara to inform him about his own health), Kisame is most likely his source.

Madara had it planned all along. He told Itachi about Akatsuki, and that he founded it. This compelled Itachi to go there, because Itachi would have wanted to keep a check on Madara's (and Akatsuki's) activities. There were only three possible ways to do this:

- Go to the Mist (assuming Madara is Mizukage, but I won't get into that), but it wasn't an option
- Remain in Konoha to watch over Danzou (assuming Danzou = Madara), but again not an option
- Go to Akatsuki, and observe the activities of Madara's personal selection of criminals; the only viable option. Murdering your clan adds greatly to your Akatsuki application form, and it helps when that's precisely where Madara wants you to be.

If this is true, and 'Itachi's plan' is really a smaller part of Madara's big plan, then Zetsu's remark makes a lot of sense; Madara has waited a long time......many decades to get an EMS and wipe out his clan. Madara immediately stresses that Sasuke is the most important part, possibly because of his EMS potential. I won't go into speculation about whether Madara has uses for Sasuke without EMS, or why exactly he wants to create another EMS, but the point is that for one reason or another, Madara has a vested interest in Sasuke. Sasuke is extremely important to Madara, and has been for a long time.

Conclusion


Madara staged his own death, and escaped Konoha. He devised a long-term plan, possibly to destroy Konoha and/or rule the country or even more, and Sasuke is an important part of Madara's plan. The Sasuke element has influenced many of Madara's actions.

If most of this theory is true, then Madara has indeed managed to deceive pretty much everyone, including the readers so far....
 
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Well u did a great research and the thread is awsome but i hahe some questions. How do u know that Madara is immortal? As far as i know ems does not give immortality to the user. And Madara's plan about Sasuke. Sasuke did not get his bro's eyes and so he has no ems. Will Madara force Sasuke to take Itachis eyes to gain ems and then kill him so that he can gain even more powerull ems? That makes sense because then he will be the only one able to control the Kuybi. I agree to what u say Madara plotted the annihilation of the Uchiha clan using Danzou as his pawn because in the past the Uchiha clan had betrayed him and wanted revenge. But did Madara also knew that the 4th would stop Kuybi by sacrifising his life? And what about Kuybis current state? Minato sealed Kuybis yin or yang (i do not remember correctly) into the shinigami using his technique and the the other half into Naruto. You said in a previous post of yours that one cannot live without his yin yang. If they are seperated he will die. Much like Minato's death. He offered only half of his soul to the shinigami but still ended up dead. Maybe Naruto's yang makes for Kuybis lost yang? Whenever Naruto was angry or in despair the Kuybi's power appeared. Is he planning to extract Kuybis yin from Naruto and yang from the shinigami and make the Kuybi whole again? And what part will Sasuke will play in this? I Sasuke learns the truth then it will be obvious that he will team up with Naruto against Madara. After all Sasuse is going after the ones who plotted the destruction of the Uchiha clan. And u made it pretty clear that Madara was the one pulling the string from behind. Thnx for reading and sorry if i wrote anyrhing stupid
 

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Well u did a great research and the thread is awsome but i hahe some questions. How do u know that Madara is immortal? As far as i know ems does not give immortality to the user. And Madara's plan about Sasuke. Sasuke did not get his bro's eyes and so he has no ems. Will Madara force Sasuke to take Itachis eyes to gain ems and then kill him so that he can gain even more powerull ems? That makes sense because then he will be the only one able to control the Kuybi. I agree to what u say Madara plotted the annihilation of the Uchiha clan using Danzou as his pawn because in the past the Uchiha clan had betrayed him and wanted revenge. But did Madara also knew that the 4th would stop Kuybi by sacrifising his life? And what about Kuybis current state? Minato sealed Kuybis yin or yang (i do not remember correctly) into the shinigami using his technique and the the other half into Naruto. You said in a previous post of yours that one cannot live without his yin yang. If they are seperated he will die. Much like Minato's death. He offered only half of his soul to the shinigami but still ended up dead. Maybe Naruto's yang makes for Kuybis lost yang? Whenever Naruto was angry or in despair the Kuybi's power appeared. Is he planning to extract Kuybis yin from Naruto and yang from the shinigami and make the Kuybi whole again? And what part will Sasuke will play in this? I Sasuke learns the truth then it will be obvious that he will team up with Naruto against Madara. After all Sasuse is going after the ones who plotted the destruction of the Uchiha clan. And u made it pretty clear that Madara was the one pulling the string from behind. Thnx for reading and sorry if i wrote anyrhing stupid
You got everything right madara is not immortal but we dont know full power of EMS it make's him immortal otherwise a person can't live for that much time unless there have special power

Coming to sasuke he may drive sasuke to take itachi eyes because madara is already having EMS there may special power with EMS+EMS so he may want that power its just only a prediction but he surely wants his eyes or he want Uchiha clan to rebuild it for world domination.

he may not know about kyubi sealed only half part but we are missing one point he knows more about kyubi than anyone so he know how to bring kyubi out of naruto

Yin and Yang chakra madara doesn't know about the sealing of that chakra's just he know that kyubi is sealed in naruto.he just wanted to bring it out from naruto becuase he can control kyubi only problem is it is in naruto so only thing madara should do is force naruto to make kyubi come.

Sasuke i am pretty sure he is protagonist not antagonist so as itachi he also wants to help konoha from inside akatsuki and also wanted to know more about madara it will be possible if he was with him.so he will definetly team up with naruto and beat madara
 

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i have theory to shodais death he could have died from posion of the nine tails chakra as

yamato said about sakura's damages from naruto's attack he said the chakra was like a

poison so that is a possible theory to take into consideration.
 

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i have theory to shodais death he could have died from posion of the nine tails chakra as

yamato said about sakura's damages from naruto's attack he said the chakra was like a

poison so that is a possible theory to take into consideration.
it cant be like that the great harishma died because of poison no in my opinion he is a incredible ninja who can also toy kyubi.
 

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This is from another prediction post of you Rahul

3. Minato also could have entrusted the Uchiha clan with the mission to make at least one of them a MS user to control the Kyubi.
Konoha’s upper class knew about the Uchiha’s potential, otherwise Danzou and his gang wouldn’t have blamed them for the attack. By the time of the attack the Uchiha clan was well renowned. But back them only the forsaken Madara was strong enough to control the Kyubi. If Minato entrusted such a mission to the Uchiha this could have arose Danzou suspicions and fear to this clan’s power, causing the massacre 7 or 8 years later.

The Uchiha clan is and the Kyubi are connected by an unbreakable chain.
For good or ill this connection will be crucial. The Uchiha and the Kyubi Apparently the Mangekyou Sharingan (MS) is the only power that can tame the full powered Kyubi. I wonder if Madara wanted Sasuke to join Akatsuki in order to control the Kyubi once it takes over Naruto. Pein is apparently is helping the Kyubi to take over Naruto. Also, Madara said the Sasuke’s eyes “will be better” than Itachi’s. Was he planning for this moment? Will Sasuke come to control the Kyubi? Will he capture Naruto or help him? Madara can’t or doesn’t want to control the Kyubi by himself . He used it against Hashirama but lost. I suppose the EMS doesn’t have the same level of control over Kyubi; or Madara don’t want to suffer from more side effects. Shared Destiny If the Kyubi dies the Uchihas will lose the Sharingan, or their above average chakra levels, or even die out. This is the only answer that I can find to Kyubi’s menace. The Bijuu threatened Sasuke, “don’t kill Naruto or you will regret it” he said, in other words “don’t kill me or you will regret it”. There are many possibilities for this relationship.

All of the kekkei genkais can be linked to the Bijuus.
But I believe the Uchiha helped Minato to seal the Kyubi in Naruto, and through this act, bound the bijuu’s destiny The kanji for fox, and the symbol of the nine tails were present at the Uchiha’s hideous, were Itachi and Sasuke held their final battle. The symbol is almost the same as that representing the Kyubi sealing at the start of the manga. Links: Kyubi sealing, Uchiha’s Hideous, Kyubi’s words, and the Nakano temple. Out of time Naruto and Sasuke are linked to the Kyubi. Time is running out for both of them. Naruto is really near to facing his final battle against the nine tailed Demon, who will try to size his freedom and take Naruto body’s as his own forever. Naruto’s heart, his training with the frogs, and his friends will pay a great part at the end.

And this is from ur reply to my post

he may not know about kyubi sealed only half part but we are missing one point he knows more about kyubi than anyone so he know how to bring kyubi out of naruto


But if u read carefully what u have written Madara would definatly know that only half of the Kuybi's chakra is sealed in Naruto. And in the manga Minato talking to his son says "He saw through everything i made". Though it is a bit confusing. Does he refer to the part where Minato tried to kill Madara but had to retreat in order to save the village ( i doubt that since he would say to Naruto that Madara was the one responsible and not like something an Akatsuki member) or he had a feeling that the one who controlled the Kuybi also knew what Minato was trying to accomplish and tried to avoid it, thus pointing to an Uchiha member but noone was poewrfull enough to do so. Even so the Kuybi was defeated Madara's plans about getting revenge on the Uchiha clan succeeded

Damn, i think i made a mistake. The shinigami jutsu was created by Minato and was used by the Third to try to kill orochimaru. As always feel free to correct any mistakes or even flame me :p
 
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This is from another prediction post of you Rahul

3. Minato also could have entrusted the Uchiha clan with the mission to make at least one of them a MS user to control the Kyubi.
Konoha?s upper class knew about the Uchiha?s potential, otherwise Danzou and his gang wouldn?t have blamed them for the attack. By the time of the attack the Uchiha clan was well renowned. But back them only the forsaken Madara was strong enough to control the Kyubi. If Minato entrusted such a mission to the Uchiha this could have arose Danzou suspicions and fear to this clan?s power, causing the massacre 7 or 8 years later.

The Uchiha clan is and the Kyubi are connected by an unbreakable chain.
For good or ill this connection will be crucial. The Uchiha and the Kyubi Apparently the Mangekyou Sharingan (MS) is the only power that can tame the full powered Kyubi. I wonder if Madara wanted Sasuke to join Akatsuki in order to control the Kyubi once it takes over Naruto. Pein is apparently is helping the Kyubi to take over Naruto. Also, Madara said the Sasuke?s eyes ?will be better? than Itachi?s. Was he planning for this moment? Will Sasuke come to control the Kyubi? Will he capture Naruto or help him? Madara can?t or doesn?t want to control the Kyubi by himself . He used it against Hashirama but lost. I suppose the EMS doesn?t have the same level of control over Kyubi; or Madara don?t want to suffer from more side effects. Shared Destiny If the Kyubi dies the Uchihas will lose the Sharingan, or their above average chakra levels, or even die out. This is the only answer that I can find to Kyubi?s menace. The Bijuu threatened Sasuke, ?don?t kill Naruto or you will regret it? he said, in other words ?don?t kill me or you will regret it?. There are many possibilities for this relationship.

All of the kekkei genkais can be linked to the Bijuus.
But I believe the Uchiha helped Minato to seal the Kyubi in Naruto, and through this act, bound the bijuu?s destiny The kanji for fox, and the symbol of the nine tails were present at the Uchiha?s hideous, were Itachi and Sasuke held their final battle. The symbol is almost the same as that representing the Kyubi sealing at the start of the manga. Links: Kyubi sealing, Uchiha?s Hideous, Kyubi?s words, and the Nakano temple. Out of time Naruto and Sasuke are linked to the Kyubi. Time is running out for both of them. Naruto is really near to facing his final battle against the nine tailed Demon, who will try to size his freedom and take Naruto body?s as his own forever. Naruto?s heart, his training with the frogs, and his friends will pay a great part at the end.

And this is from ur reply to my post

he may not know about kyubi sealed only half part but we are missing one point he knows more about kyubi than anyone so he know how to bring kyubi out of naruto


But if u read carefully what u have written Madara would definatly know that only half of the Kuybi's chakra is sealed in Naruto. And in the manga Minato talking to his son says "He saw through everything i made". Though it is a bit confusing. Does he refer to the part where Minato tried to kill Madara but had to retreat in order to save the village ( i doubt that since he would say to Naruto that Madara was the one responsible and not like something an Akatsuki member) or he had a feeling that the one who controlled the Kuybi also knew what Minato was trying to accomplish and tried to avoid it, thus pointing to an Uchiha member but noone was poewrfull enough to do so. Even so the Kuybi was defeated Madara's plans about getting revenge on the Uchiha clan succeeded
ya you got me up but i have made two predictions about madara and Kyubi
both of them are secret to us we don't know full potential about them only we are just predicting according to me i thought during the time of sealing other uchiha clansmen are with minato(proof is itachi has seen that battle so uchihas is also helping them to battle with madara and they may be knowing how to seal kyubi and with there help i think it was possible) and they succeeded in sealing kyubi in naruto may be madara had seen every thing with his sharingen but i highly doubt he knows full truth about it that is why he kept his distance.if he knows then one question

At that time konoha is in bad shape with hokage dead he has chance to defeat them but for some reasons he didn't its only prediction as i have mentioned in one thread

but surely you got a point i will check up this
 

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Maybe the Uchiha clansmen tried to suppress Kuybi's chakra with their normal sharingan (it is possible since Sasuke surpressed Kuybis chakra inside Naruto's subconsious) so that they would force the fox to stay still and buy time for Minato to use the shinigami jutsu. But if this happened then nobody would be able to accuse the Uchiha since they contributed in defeating the Kuybi and propably many members of the Uchiha clan would have died. So they would considered heroes...But this theory falls apart since after that "incident" they were isolated and were kept under strict surveilance...
 

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Maybe the Uchiha clansmen tried to suppress Kuybi's chakra with their normal sharingan (it is possible since Sasuke surpressed Kuybis chakra inside Naruto's subconsious) so that they would force the fox to stay still and buy time for Minato to use the shinigami jutsu. But if this happened then nobody would be able to accuse the Uchiha since they contributed in defeating the Kuybi and propably many members of the Uchiha clan would have died. So they would considered heroes...But this theory falls apart since after that "incident" they were isolated and were kept under strict surveilance...
Yes you are right but danzo other counselors know that the kyubi can be controlled by only uchihas so they may think it will be probably work of uchiha and they feared it may reapeat and thought that if again war breaks it will be out of there league if uchihas betray konoha so they planted a spy on uchihas that is itachi we know very well and in my theory i said madara may predict all these to make konoha feel that there is uchiha behind this thats why he is in shadows

and coming to part that uchihas are not considering as hero's during that fight two possibilties are there
they may died during there fight and no body knows abot actual truth
and only may be minato knows that they have helped to seal kyubi

second one even though they helped in fight danzo and other people feared that powerful clan like this may dangerous to them that's why taking this war as a reason they convinced 3rd hokage to kill uchihas
 

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second one even though they helped in fight danzo and other people feared that powerful clan like this may dangerous to them that's why taking this war as a reason they convinced 3rd hokage to kill uchihas
The 3rd was never convinced to kill the uchihas and did not believe they were behind the attack that is why he tried to negotiate, but the negotiations never finished because Danzou/Madara and the Elders used the sensitive Itachi to annihilate his clan.

I live to see the Elders and Danzou publically executed under Tsunades command!
 
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rahul you are a fraud. you stole ALL of this from a thread on the onemanga forums. now you are clearly trying to pass this off as your own original theory or your own collection of information and research. it's clear because you don't even bother to mention the original author or that you got all of this from somewhere else.

it is completely disrespectful to not cite, mention, or give credit to the original author. I recall you've done this before. you are posting these theories so ppl on NB will think you're a genius and give you reps. I will give you neg reps for fraudulent intentions and recommend to all who thought rahul came up with this on his own to take back the reps they gave.

it's one thing to share info, but it's a whole other thing to pass it off as your own. despicable

if you want to see the original thread the link is
 

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rahul you are a fraud. you stole ALL of this from a thread on the onemanga forums. now you are clearly trying to pass this off as your own original theory or your own collection of information and research. it's clear because you don't even bother to mention the original author or that you got all of this from somewhere else.

it is completely disrespectful to not cite, mention, or give credit to the original author. I recall you've done this before. you are posting these theories so ppl on NB will think you're a genius and give you reps. I will give you neg reps for fraudulent intentions and recommend to all who thought rahul came up with this on his own to take back the reps they gave.

it's one thing to share info, but it's a whole other thing to pass it off as your own. despicable

if you want to see the original thread the link is
i just posting it because we can discuss if u can search this info u can put it and we can discuss its just a prediction where we can discuss you every right to question but cant say me fraud just search the forum i never includes its my prediction read entire prediction i only used in some places i but not whole watch it care fully
 

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i just posting it because we can discuss if u can search this info u can put it and we can discuss its just a prediction where we can discuss you every right to question but cant say me fraud just search the forum i never includes its my prediction read entire prediction i only used in some places i but not whole watch it care fully
dude i think he is right, u got to mention who made this.. its not fair.

imagine u make an AMAZING theory that took u a lot of time etc etc and then u see it pasted in another forum and saw that person take reps as it was made by him..

i think its just not fair. i would be pissed off
 

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a great ninja who got killed in a ninja war and we dont know who killed him -.-
Nobody knows that he was killed are just died but even madara has praised him that the only person he ever admired so its makes him powerful so he may not killed but died of some reason
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