"The type of Hokage I want to be, is one that doesn't sacrifice a life!

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I see TNJ as a great theme though. It's core to the series and Boruto would be pretty crazy to completely disregard it. It could be cool, if unfitting for this era...but I personally wouldn't be upset if the series stuck to it's guns. Outliers and cultural issues like Shizuma, The Fourth Kazakage's dedicates, a bitter ANBU Black Ops, the Wanted List and Gengo's Revolutionaries serve this narrative perfectly. Depth comes from their protest against the Alliance.
 

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Actually I'm not quite clear on what actually you're looking for here.

Their "resolve" of everything before being a Hokage or after being a Hokage

If you think Hokage Naruto is too soft and still resolving any problems using TnJ I think he took different approach, he never tries to TnJ Shin or Momoshiki but he's going for a kill. There is no way to TnJ Momoshiki.

So its like how Hokage Hashirama acted toward Madara that threatening the well being of Konohagakure. No mercy.

So if you here are talking about "potential" of pre-Hokage Sarada action toward everything I think its early to tell. But when she made that "pledge" I think that's what she want to be after she becomes Hokage. Hokage and not before.
 
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How I see it, they'll likely not go the jovial and excessively magnanimous route with Sarada. She seems to have an air of realism and boldness (that is Sasuke-like) about her, it could only just be me though.

Though I'm skeptical, but I really hope that she'll find a different Nindo to Naruto's. She can keep the protect-everyone, messiah complex that Naruto has, albeit I would like it if they executed this with caution, but she needs to be more realistic and not confront every felony with a one-dimensional mind-set.

It eventually gets boring when they're always forgiving almost thoughtlessly. Although Naruto was alright for most of Naruto Pt.1, it became excessive and unnatural when he had almost no inner conflict and wasn't having any doubts or second-thoughts with his approach to evil, which primarily was at least there, in pt.1 that is.

So for Sarada's sake, I hope she doesn't become a virtual emulation of the former MC. I would like to see her pioneer her own ethos, one that isn't one-dimensional and unreasonable.
 

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I don't mind the concepts existing right now, but my problem is them existing forever. The whole idea for some of these issues should be resolved later down the line, but I'm worried that the series doesn't work like that based on previous examples.

Naruto learned that Obito killed his parents, helped kill one of his close friends, and so on. Yet they denounced Obito for the sake of plot, so that Naruto could call him an awesome/cool guy.

The same thing happened to Sasuke. Itachi was the root of most of his problems, and even after finding out the truth, he deduces that Itachi is the prime example of what a Hokage should stand for -- And that Itachi was a "perfect" being.

These types of ploys don't leave me grateful, it just makes me worried that they are doing the same thing over again, just under new skins.

If you think Hokage Naruto is too soft and still resolving any problems using TnJ I think he took different approach, he never tries to TnJ Shin or Momoshiki but he's going for a kill. There is no way to TnJ Momoshiki.
Shin was killed by his Juniors, and Momoshiki survived after Naruto/Sasuke beat him the first time (they didn't kill him, left him unconscious). He was later killed by his son. If Boruto wasn't the MC.... I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto did try to talk his way out of it.
 
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But isn't that the direction Naruto has always had? Naive kindess wins the day.
Yeah but that's my issue with the whole thing. I'm afraid that the Boruto series will do most of what the Naruto series did.

Don't you think it's a bit more reasonable for Boruto and the others not to find solutions from just kindness? I mean the whole point of the continuation is to do new and interesting things, which I think they have been doing up until now.

Boruto not being a spammer, Sarada not being a weak female, Mitsuki not being an edge lord, etc.

My problem isn't right now, I understand the gravity of it. They are kids, so it makes sense why the quality of it seems childish and naive. But if they are pulling off the same stunts, when the series does get darker, this will suck.
 

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Yeah but that's my issue with the whole thing. I'm afraid that the Boruto series will do most of what the Naruto series did.

Don't you think it's a bit more reasonable for Boruto and the others not to find solutions from just kindness? I mean the whole point of the continuation is to do new and interesting things, which I think they have been doing up until now.

Boruto not being a spammer, Sarada not being a weak female, Mitsuki not being an edge lord, etc.

My problem isn't right now, I understand the gravity of it. They are kids, so it makes sense why the quality of it seems childish and naive. But if they are pulling off the same stunts, when the series does get darker, this will suck.
I do think Boruto is going to be different from Naruto it already seems like it. I think it can definitely become a little more complex and even darker.
 

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Well Naruto's soft attitude allowed him to see things differently than most and try a different approach than usual. Its the reason why he was able to turn enemies into allies without having to kill them and use them as assets. The greatest example of that would be Sasuke.
Anyway Naruto didn't have to face any such situations where he needs to make the hard decisions after he became the Hokage because of the peace that was established after the last war. So who knows how he'll go about it. I won't say that he's soft as a hokage but he does prefer to do things keeping all the options open and prioritizes peaceful resolutions above all which imo is the right way to do it.
As for Sarada, I do believe that she'll be a lot like Naruto when it comes to being a Hokage as he is her idol after all but that's not a bad thing imo as long as its kept in balance and does not take over her entire personality.
 
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Deontology vs Utilitarianism. Its like Batman. He doesnt kill no matter what. His principles > greater good/happiness of the majority. Same thing here. I admire people like that but its not realistic I guess...
 

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I do think Boruto is going to be different from Naruto it already seems like it. I think it can definitely become a little more complex and even darker.
That's where I kind of lose my optimism.

You see I want to believe that it will be different and more complex, but at the same time, Boruto starts off WAY more light hearted than Naruto ever was. Now from my perspective, I feel like the already big difference in atmosphere, it could be even more detrimental for what "dark concepts" they have in store for us.

I could be 100% wrong and it can be well done, but I don't think they have given us any insight yet. The Manga is slightly better in this area though.
 

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I don't mind the concepts existing right now, but my problem is them existing forever. The whole idea for some of these issues should be resolved later down the line, but I'm worried that the series doesn't work like that based on previous examples.

Naruto learned that Obito killed his parents, helped kill one of his close friends, and so on. Yet they denounced Obito for the sake of plot, so that Naruto could call him an awesome/cool guy.

The same thing happened to Sasuke. Itachi was the root of most of his problems, and even after finding out the truth, he deduces that Itachi is the prime example of what a Hokage should stand for -- And that Itachi was a "perfect" being.

These types of ploys don't leave me grateful, it just makes me worried that they are doing the same thing over again, just under new skins.


Shin was killed by his Juniors, and Momoshiki survived after Naruto/Sasuke beat him the first time (they didn't kill him, left him unconscious). He was later killed by his son. If Boruto wasn't the MC.... I wouldn't be surprised if Naruto did try to talk his way out of it.
I dont know if you watch/read the same Boruto movie/recap but they tried to kill Momoshiki but the guy got numbers of trick that made the life of Naruto and Sasuke difficult. Naruto power that fueled Boruto's Rasengan help in killing Momo. So he contributes his power to Boruto was not for a peace agreement with Mono
 

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That's where I kind of lose my optimism.

You see I want to believe that it will be different and more complex, but at the same time, Boruto starts off WAY more light hearted than Naruto ever was. Now from my perspective, I feel like the already big difference in atmosphere, it could be even more detrimental for what "dark concepts" they have in store for us.

I could be 100% wrong and it can be well done, but I don't think they have given us any insight yet. The Manga is slightly better in this area though.
Maybe it's like the whole modernization thing, like no more kid soldiers and stuff.
But maybe if things get more "real", then that could also mean that it can be a little more brutal and not so romantizised about the violence.
 
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Maybe it's like the whole modernization thing, like no more kid soldiers and stuff.
But maybe if things get more "real", then that could also mean that it can be a little more brutal and not so romantizised about the violence.
I just hope they try not to make it a complete rehash of the original series in that area. The entire aspect of the War Arc not killing anyone is still kind of daunting to me.

Really the only important character that died was Neji, outside of Shikamaru and Ino's fathers. I never really felt like Naruto was "serious" when it looked like the villains could be saved unless they committed suicide, and the fact that the Main Character had to fight off their problems every-time.

Well here's hoping for a better future.

I dont know if you watch/read the same Boruto movie/recap but they tried to kill Momoshiki but the guy got numbers of trick that made the life of Naruto and Sasuke difficult. Naruto power that fueled Boruto's Rasengan help in killing Momo. So he contributes his power to Boruto was not for a peace agreement with Mono
They finished off Momoshiki the first time without killing him.

The second time is obvious tho
 

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Call it soft, but in this world- this story was solved by messiah optimism. The manga tells us that Danzo, Pain, Itachi & Sasuke's ways were not right. They're rightfully villainized.

Characters with unreal optimism and naive dreams like Hashirama and Naruto win, because it's that gorgeous Shonen idea of 'what if people actually tried for Utopia for once'.
Just throwing in my two cents about the bold here:

Danzo and Itachi's way was terrible! Genocide is never the right answer and is an inexcusable atrocity. Even if they said, "Kill Fugaku" or "Kill the police force", that would have been one thing (not necessarily good, but better than the whole clan). However, it was inexcusable to kill every member of the race including civillian Uchihas and children who had no knowledge or involvement in the Uchiha coup.


Nagato's and Sasuke's ways: I understand the logic behind them, but I still don't fully agree with them. Nagato basically wanted to create the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, use it to induce the fear of war throughout the world, and end war (in temporary cycles) in this way. That idea is noble in its own right, but it has a fatal flaw:

Humans are stupid and selfish (not everyone on an individual level necessarily, but more so in a general sense). What I mean by this is: There are people in the world (both the real world and the fictional world), that simply do not fear death, and do not care about the harm that befalls others. They just want what they want no matter the cost. From what I hear, there is even a certain real-world leader of a certain country (I won't name any names for the sake of sensitivity) that said that he doesn't care if the world goes to nuclear war and he doesn't care if nuclear force is used against his own country. With people like that in power, even with Nagato's plan, eventually the world would still go to war, and this would most likely simply result in the destruction of the world at the hands of this weapon, rather than world peace.

Sasuke's way was essentially to become the world's common enemy (and basically its shadow ruler), and have peace be achieved by having everyone unite to oppose a common enemy (himself). Once again, I see the logic, but I feel like this plan is incomplete and involves too much sacrifice of the innocent.

For example, from the start he already wanted to kill the kages (at the time), the bijuus, and Naruto (the last one was more so for personal reasons). Already, you can argue that this is 13 innocents killed right there alone. Tsunade, Mei, and Gaara were not kages or in charge of their countries at the times that the previous wars and conflicts waged on, and Gaara wasn't even born for a number of past travesties. This can be said for Naruto as well. As for the bijuus, it is not their fault that people fought over them, and they certainly don't deserve death for that.

For anyone who says that the bijuus should be killed because of people fighting over them, you are basically the same as Hitler and many other racists and facists. Here is why: In real world history, many countries have fought over races such as Jews, Africans, and Native Americans for purposes such as enslavement, imperialism, displacing people to take their land, etc...

The Jews, Africans and Native Americans have been fought over. By your logic, should they be killed off? Well then how is that different from the bijuus? Does a race being fought over put that race at fault for everything, thereby making them deserving of genocide?

Digressing back to my original point, these 13 wouldn't be the only ones killed. Over time, people would get over the loss of original people who were killed. This acceptance, combined with the fact that no known living shinobi thus far (barring Naruto) could actually take Sasuke down, would lead people to ultimately continue on with their lives (which would inevitably mean that they'd eventually stop focusing on Sasuke and continue with warring amongst themselves). In order to reinstate this hatred towards himself, Sasuke would have to periodically kill more innocent people just to keep people focused on him.

That is what I mean by too much sacrifice of the innocent.

As for the incomplete part: Even if people did focus on him, that wouldn't actually resolve the other issues that people fight over in the first place. For example, people fight over land, resources, religion, political marriages, poverty/economics etc... Sasuke would just be one issue, but how would his presence as an enemy solve all of those other issues?

To be honest, I like Madara/Obito's way the best (if it wasn't for the whole white zetsu transformation). If everyone lived in their own personal dream world for eternity, then there would be no more inequality amongst humans, no more poverty, no more strife, no more conflict, no more pain or loss, etc...
Even if a person dreamed of there being strife and conflict, it wouldn't actually affect anyone else since everyone else would be living in their own dreams.

That is just my two cents.
 

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I just hope they try not to make it a complete rehash of the original series in that area. The entire aspect of the War Arc not killing anyone is still kind of daunting to me.

Really the only important character that died was Neji, outside of Shikamaru and Ino's fathers. I never really felt like Naruto was "serious" when it looked like the villains could be saved unless they committed suicide, and the fact that the Main Character had to fight off their problems every-time.

Well here's hoping for a better future.


They finished off Momoshiki the first time without killing him.

The second time is obvious tho
Still I dont see Naruto TnJing Momo bcus he is a "foreigner" to them like Kaguya. The only way is killing him but its not easy. Momo still conscious after the battle between Bijuu Susanoo and Golem. He waited for something.
 

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Still I dont see Naruto TnJing Momo bcus he is a "foreigner" to them like Kaguya. The only way is killing him but its not easy. Momo still conscious after the battle between Bijuu Susanoo and Golem. He waited for something.
Well I wouldn't be surprised if Otsutsuki exist out of the boundary line since they are not regarded as human beings in the first place.
 
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