[Theory] The Two Brothers Of Light And Darkness

[Faith of Sasuke]

I told that Hagoromo absorbed the light Power of his brother and goot both. Now he split them again, as you can see on the picture.

 

[CudaJoe]

Your sig is creepy bro :|

The last chapter in Diablo 3.

 

[Zorø]

Nice theory sir derp obito.

 

[davidou]

Doesn't the Byakugan represent the Sun? afterall Hyuga literally means "Towards The Sun"

And Byakugan means :"all seing white" eye...

The issue concerning the Chakra Fruit: Why did Hagoromo omit details in the Tablet concerning the Fruit as the harbinger of the world's end (Madara ch.646: "I Don't know what, if any significance it holds, but according to legend, that fruit must not be touched") then all of a sudden we just recently learn from Hagoromo himself that Infinite Tsukuyomi is instrumental in creating a new Chakra fruit which will bring the world's end, why didn't he write it on the Tablet? why the omission? why the obfuscation of facts and details? obviously Hagoromo is hiding something, and he has a hidden motive in all of this.

That is an important point that needs to be explained.
-I agree that the sage was born Yin/darkness , that would greatly fit the story and the character.

-I again agree with you that the sage is clearly hiding big parts of the story to Naruto (=manipulating Naruto).
The sage says there is no need to hurry here and tell a very vague story (you have time , old man , no need to hurry) and doesn't answer to Naruto's questions...

-The tablet is also a proof that he manipulates people.
He doesn't believe that somebody better than him will find the solution , so he decided to manipulate people.He doesn't believe in humanity but in his own self.

There are other exemples.


I wouldn't be surprised if Hagoromo was a dark lonely egocentric guy that wanted power before realising that he was wrong , winning against the curse of hatred (with Yang power he got from his bro)!
He is not proud so he is hiding parts of the story where he was a dark cursed guy?


Hagoromo is egocentric , didn't believe in humanity and the master of all manipulators , >>>>than Madara.

 

[davidou]

But then I have a question. If we consider what you said, then both Naruto and Sasuke got "Hagoromo's dark powers"? In that case, doesn't this go against the whole Ying-Yang, and light- darkness? And what about this page?

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In this page, isn't it obvious that naruto is the sun?

In this page, it's obvious that naruto is Yang dominant(sun or full moon...).
If you think about it , full moon light=sun light.

Hago is born Yin , but became Yin/Yang cause he have the yin/yang rinnegan (with his bro's Yang?).
He had 2 children , first the Yin dominant child and then the Yang dominant child

 

[Oblargagh]

Haggy seems good though. He repudiated his mother and befriended the tailed beasts as well as spoke of the prophecy of Naruto. He was also friends with the Toad Sage.

However, that aside... What if Ashura was Haggy's brother's son and Indra was his son? What if Haggy and his brother fought and their children continued this?

 

[Faith of Sasuke]

He said himself that he got 2 Childs.

 

[Yahcob13]

Traditionally yang is symbolic of the sun and yin the moon. Maybe the curse of hatred came through him because he beared the burden of the juubi. It is possible that Hagoromo is the dark son. He said that he was also a prodigy and that he is acting selfishly by intervening yet he explains that selfishness was not the path to choose. Which is why he chose Ashura as successor. So there is still much more to be revealed. Good thread btw.

 

[Vapid]

I questioned the way Hagoromo spoke and reacted to Naruto as well. Another thing noteworthy is that Hagoromo's biggest mistake that spawned hatred in Indra was choosing a successor in the first place. I think him thinking it was necessary for only one son, chosen by him (thus, a sign of favoritism), to be his successor was another indication of his Yin nature.

This also leaves the question of "What was Kaguya then?" Was she a balance of Yin and Yang?

Though this is a very good theory, I don't see Kishimoto going this in depth with Hagoromo, his brother, and Kaguya.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Also. If Hagoromo really intended Indra and his transmigrants to cooperate and reconcile with Ashura, then why did he made the Tablet only clearly readable with an EMS, and fully readable with only the Rinnegan? why leave a message of reconciliation and peace which is only clearly and fully accessible through the pursuit of more power? unless he truly intended and pigeonholed Indra's reincarnation to take power (EMS by taking brother's Sharingan and Rinnegan by stealing Ashura's Chakra/Senju DNA) why would he need to subject Indra's transmigrants to pursue and steal power just to read it?

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Just to answer this issue, I think you are wrong about many things already. First, according to Kushina Uzumaki, the Uzumakis are known for their rough methods. So far, the Uzumaki we have seems are not nice people at all. Nagato went berserk, and Mito spoke trash to Kyuubi. Kushina did not show any mercy to the dudes who provoke her in Konoha though this is not enough to judge her. All in all, I would say that we have no real intel on the Uzumaki as to whether they are Yang, Yin, or Yin-Yang. However, from what we have seen, they correspond more to Yin-Yang.

Next, on Hagoromo, I don't see how Ninshu concept are heretic. I don't even see how Hagoromo is Yin when he clearly is Yin-Yang. Then, concerning the stone tablet, Hagoromo explained clearly that he was certain that a family with his power would appear. Now, if you take it as him handing some incentive to the Uchiha, then you are wrong because there is a huge possibility that natural birth between Uchiha and Senju could give a child with Rinnegan and that child could have also freed the Gedo Mazou.

In addition, I think there is a common interpretation mistake being made by the fandom. Everyone assume that the Senju and other clan do not have intel on Juubi or Rikudo. Clearly, Minato and Hashirama demonstrated that they know the forbidden Jutsus of Rikudo. Tobirama concluded on Omnyuton, and the Uzumaki have techniques that can seal Biju or divide them into Yin and Yang. This fact actually suggest that Rikudo may have been also leaving something for the Uchiha to balance the power.

Finally, while many people think the Uchihas are powerful, reality is that at their basic level, they are weaker than the Senju and Uzumaki. The last two can grow indefinitely as long as they are alive. They can master any kind of jutsus due to their strong body and varied KKG that can appears among them. uzumaki have sealing that are really dangerous. On the other hand, if Rikudo did not leave intel to the Uchiha, the Senju would have dominated them literally after they reach the MS stage and go blind.

A perfect example is Naruto and Sasuke. Everyone can see that in their base form, as soon as Sasuke reached is three tomoe sharingan, his growth will stop if he does not get MS. On the other hand, Naruto will continue to grow stronger and stronger to the point that Sasuke even needed Curse Mark to keep with him. Not only that, but if Naruto has good coaching, he can learn and master all kind of jutsus. This justify also why the Uchiha stone tablet is really necessary for the balance of power.

Now, even with that, Madara was still unable to be a balancing factor before Hashirama, and he needed to steal Hashirama's power. This was Madara's own greed as the sage explained. Thus, my opinion is that the stone tablet was a good thing for two reasons: (1) To help the Uchiha keep with the Senju - wisdom of use required, and (2) to direct any individual who will attain Rinnegan by some natural process - an event that is highly probable.

 

[Lightning Release]

Another great theory from the legend himself.

I applaud you, good sir. Always a great read!

 

[Angie4568OST]

Awesome Theory!!

 

[minamoto]

LOL...its clear as a sun that Ashura's symbol was the Moon...also if you see chapter where hagoromo spoke about indra and ashura...he touched the water with his cirlce stuff and it shows indra in water..then he tocuhed water with the other crecent side of his stuff..and it shows kaguya...kaguya is very possible to be an uchiha ...and if she is uzumaki...then the uchiha and uzumakis are very related through kaguya...that explains why indra inherited many powers of his mom but not ashura.....it also explains why indra has spiral eyes reminecsent of uzumaki symbol.....But to be honest with you..making threads about origines of charatcers..is a bit pintless..+ we got only few few hints and backgrounds of info wich make you subject of being trolled...for exemple just the fact that the sage had a brother...changed (and might disproved )...the whole of your theories...+ what's the use in making such threads??..they dont add anything to the manga....dont get me wrong..i respect what you do...but why you not try make theories sort of..."Madara's body secrets engraved in the uchiha stone??"...thats what i call reall theories

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

hmm...more to consider

 

[GhostProject]

I like this theory, it is interesting and, this is the first good argument for Ashura being the Full Moon opposed to his Brother's Crescent Moon.

I still think Naruto is representing the Sun, as Yin and Yang are commonly represented as Moon and Sun and Naruto/Sasuke seem to be leaning towards the simplest dichotomy. But I do not discount the merits of this thread, it is very interesting.

However, I almost want the part about Hagaromo's brother to be real. Gj on the thread though Derp =D

Edit: Also if Hagaromo is the "whole," then does that mean he is a Yin ascended to a perfect balance of Yin/Yang? Does that mean Hagaromo and his brother were not balanced individuals when they fought the Juubi? That is the most interesting concept to me out of all of this

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

Well hagoroma has a rinnegan on his forehead ,which represents the pineal gland aka the 3rd eye and his staff represents to different sides of the spectrum ,So as we have seen,he is both yin-yang ,it's very possible that he took something from his brother,an felt bad for it,that is why he divided the power he had amongst naruto and sasuke,we will see

But the sun and the moon is yin and yang when it comes down to it,it's like the story about shiva and shakti ,Ida and pingala , even though it does show the full moon above ashura but a full moon represents the power of the sun's reflection,maybe the pic was just indicating a specific night

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Well hagoroma has a rinnegan on his forehead ,which represents the pineal gland aka the 3rd eye and his staff represents to different sides of the spectrum ,So as we have seen,he is both yin-yang ,it's very possible that he took something from his brother,an felt bad for it,that is why he divided the power he had amongst naruto and sasuke,we will see

But the sun and the moon is yin and yang when it comes down to it,it's like the story about shiva and shakti ,Ida and pingala , even though it does show the full moon above ashura but a full moon represents the power of the sun's reflection,maybe the pic was just indicating a specific night

The Moon has always been associated with Hagoromo, not the Sun (Hagoromo even made it) and the Rinnegan is the symbol of the Lunar Cycle (Lunation) so it's only logical that if his power is divided into two, it would represent the Full Moon and Crescent Moon, the Rings on Hagoromo's staff does not represent the Sun, it represents the Wheel of Suffering (Samsara) hence the Six Rings which are the Six Paths/Realms of Samsara, the Rinnegan is the Eye of Samsara, so ultimately all of the symbolisms associated with Hagoromo are Lunar (Yin)

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I hate agreeing with yo @$$ .... but....


....I honestly believe that Hagoramo is the YIN and his brother the YANG. Why? Because one of his sons was born extremely powerful (YIN) and one son born without hardly any power (YANG).

This could be the explanation of WHY "No Good" Ashura was NOT born with the chakra level of his excellent brother Indra. In Yin, there is always a small inner element of Yang and Vice-Versa. This is seen best in the Yin/Yang symbol. Since Hagoramo didn't have much "Yang" as he did "Yin", it makes sense that it is reflected in his sons who split his power. Good Read.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I hate agreeing with yo @$$ .... but....


....I honestly believe that Hagoramo is the YIN and his brother the YANG. Why? Because one of his sons was born extremely powerful (YIN) and one son born without hardly any power (YANG).

This could be the explanation of WHY "No Good" Ashura was NOT born with the chakra level of his excellent brother Indra. In Yin, there is always a small inner element of Yang and Vice-Versa. This is seen best in the Yin/Yang symbol. Since Hagoramo didn't have much "Yang" as he did "Yin", it makes sense that it is reflected in his sons who split his power. Good Read.

That is a good point, because their father was predominantly Yin, Ashura received only a small portion of Yang at birth and it took time for him to harness that small Yang power to make it bloom whereas Indra had great Yin power from the start because their father was predominantly Yin to begin with.

 

[He who knows Everything]

Cool read very interesting