The Truth

[Bankai11]

"don't see why people don't cconsider the last canon just because of retcons and plot holes when even the manga has retcons and plot holes! What? does that suddenly mean the mnaga isn't canon either? " - Lady Byakugan

She has the point!

Even despite that Kage Bunshin is still not a retcon as what Naruto read, learned and used was a kinjutsu, TAJU Kage Bunshin, this wouldn't be the FIRST time when Kishimoto rewrotte the story, aka created retcon.

1.The Rinnegan

First: It was a THIRD Dojutsu, independent from both the Byakugan and Sharingan and only the saint messiah shall borned with it.

Retcon: The Rinnegan literally nothing more but another facepalm level of the sharingan using the DNA of Uchihas and Senjus.

Double Retcon: The Rinnegan can be awakening by using the chakra of Indra and Ashura, which is technicaly the same crap as all Senjus, Uchihas and Uzumakis are their descendants, so they all inherited their chakras too - chapter 627, where Tobirama confirmed Karin as an Uzumaki from her chakra. That's when somebody tries to create a retcon to "cure" another retcon but fails in logic.

2.Everything related to UCHIHA OBITO AND RIN

First:
- Obito and Rin were originaly just some fodder characters whose purpose was only to answer where Kakashi's sharingan came from + Obito confirmed his own death revealing that along with his half side all of hise inner organs (lunge, brain ect) destroyed by the boulder.
- Rin always loved Kakashi and she didn't cared what Kakashi said about his feelings for her ("But Kakashi! My feelings for you!")
- Kakashi was already chunin at age 5-6 while Obito and Rin became genins at age 9 and not only the manga (chunin exam arc), but even databooks confirmed this.

Retcon:
- Not only revealed that despite most of his inner organs were destroyed by the boulder, lost half of his blood half of his body, he magicaly survived, fought againts Minato despite the fact that he and Kakashi are the same in age, and the kyuubi incident happened 17 years before chapter 691, which means 31-17= 14, so had only ONE year to become from a loser fodder to a master ninja stronger than Minato.
- Rin "revealed" that she loved Obito and not Kakashi.
- Despite both Kakashi in the early chapters and the databooks confirmed that he was chunin at age 5-6 already while Rin and Obito graduated to genins at age 9, they all went to chunin exams and became chunins at the same time.

3.Gedo Mazo

First: Kisame told that if not all the Tailed Beasts are sealed, they statue will crumble and be destroyed.

Retcon: The statue didn't even needed the Tailed Beasts themselves, "portions of their chakras" were enough. They why didn't they just asked some hair or nails from the jinchuurikis?

4.Jinchuuriki MUST DIE!

First: A jinchuuriki dies at the moment the Tailed Beast is removed + not everybody can become Jinchuuriki that's why there were so many people who died because they weren't strong enough to become Jinchuuriki (see Hachibi)

Retcon: Uchiha Obito, who was happily living using just "sheer will power" + Gaara was already a jinchuuriki when he was an embryo in his mother's womb.... so, Gaara's father could tell about an embryo that he will be able to having a Bijuu inside him while not even his gender was visible? Really?

5.Tobirama created everything

First: According to Rin Minato created Hiraishin No Jutsu and Taju Kage Bunshin and Kage Bunshin were created by Hashirama as he was the one who sealed them into his scroll.

Retcon: Tobirama created all of them.... then why didn't he used them againts Hiruzen.

6.Gaara's background story

First: It is revealed that his mother never loved him and the sand was from Shukaku.

Retcon: Suddenly, not only his father turns to be a carring father and "revealed" that he was watching the entire show (despite there wasn't any sand eyeball 400 chapters before), but also revealed that his mother deadly loved him!

Double Retcon: The sand is now suddenly Gaara's mother's... then why didn't it had her shape till chapter 546-547 and didn't it had already in Sasuke's Retrivial Arc + Five Kage Summit Arc back then?

7.Naruto was never alone, he always had at least pals

First: Iruka was his VERY FIRST BOND!

Retcon: Choji, Shikamaru and Kiba were already his pals in the Academy, see the Rasengan training chapters.

8.Mangekyo Sharingan

First: You must kill your best friend.

Retcon: It can be anybody who is close to you to be killed by you (Sasuke).

Double Retcon: You don't even kill someone, it is enough to learn that person is dead (Obito).

9.Black Zetsu's creation and "he was behind everything".

First: He was created by Madara and was even shown while he was such a weakling that even a male Hinata could solo him.

Retcon: He was created by Kaguya, just "acted he was created by Madara", then solos Madara without even giving a fart while he couldn't even handling a male Hinata and later "revealed to be behind everything".

10.Everything related to the Shinju, Juubi and Kaguya.

I think saying that there was NEVER ANY FORESHADOWING NOR HINTING ABOUT THEM IN THE "FIRST 600 CHAPTERS", then I guess I told everything about them.

11.Chakra is from a Devil Fruit.

First: Chakra was a force that everybody can awakening via training both spiritual and physical power, basing on one's soul and dna, that's why there are so many different of them.

Retcon: Chakra is from a fruit... ALL chakra... which means all of "them" has the SAME chakra....

Overral, the manga was ALREADY FULL OF RETCONS!

Why people are riding on it then? ;/

 

[Zealotic]

Title says 'The Truth'
And the first thing is a quote from Lady Byakugan:vincent::vincent:

 

[Kirokill]

Show him the Truth!

 

[Trúth]

Show him the Truth!

Does this count?

 

[Chazzi]

Stopped reading at Lady Byakugan.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Are you man of sins alt?

 

[Narutohokage324]

#1 what is your take on Naruto learning knowing Shadow clone jutsu when he was 7 while the in manga he didn't learn it till he was 12?

#2 So do you believe Naruto lost RSM?

#3 What about the whole KCM flying thing?[/SPOILER]

1. Naruto never did the Shadow clone at 7, in the movie they were linked in a Genjutsu. That's how Naruto was using the technique. Stop spreading false information when you haven't seen the movie, as for I, I saw the full movie in Spanish subs as I am italian and I understand native Spanish myself. So yes. You can also ask Lost Woods about this as he saw the movie for himself on the release week. (Basically they were going through their memories and blah blah blah you understand what I'm trying to reveal without showing much spoilers)

2. Naruto never lost RSM, the movie was in production before RSM/Sharringan was even shown in the manga. Sasuke used it for literally five seconds, so that was easier to incorporate into the story unlike Naruto who played a larger role.

3. Read above, of course he still has sage chakra, just like Sasuke. So why not? Just more points to prove those retarded Sasuke-fappers who think Kishimoto nerfed Naruto. This was all SP and their retarded logic. If Kishimoto had his hands on it would be less stupid, but only less ~


I just wanted to clear stuff up about the movie that people seemed to be confused on.


/INB4SASUKEFANS

Read this:

Spoiler

Sasuke used the Sharringan in the movie, but the scene was only for a few seconds hence why it was only a brief interaction, and hence why Naruto was flying in the movie. You can tell some of these interactions with the new powerups were small and indecisive. I shouldn't have to explain more.

Just gonna drop this here

 

[Ansatsuken]

LOL! at the title

 

[Conspirator.]

Are you man of sins alt?

This is exactly what I was thinking. Lol

 

[BlacLord™]

1. Naruto never did the Shadow clone at 7, in the movie they were linked in a Genjutsu. That's how Naruto was using the technique. Stop spreading false information when you haven't seen the movie, as for I, I saw the full movie in Spanish subs as I am italian and I understand native Spanish myself. So yes. You can also ask Lost Woods about this as he saw the movie for himself on the release week. (Basically they were going through their memories and blah blah blah you understand what I'm trying to reveal without showing much spoilers)

2. Naruto never lost RSM, the movie was in production before RSM/Sharringan was even shown in the manga. Sasuke used it for literally five seconds, so that was easier to incorporate into the story unlike Naruto who played a larger role.

3. Read above, of course he still has sage chakra, just like Sasuke. So why not? Just more points to prove those retarded Sasuke-fappers who think Kishimoto nerfed Naruto. This was all SP and their retarded logic. If Kishimoto had his hands on it would be less stupid, but only less ~


I just wanted to clear stuff up about the movie that people seemed to be confused on.


/INB4SASUKEFANS

Read this:

Spoiler

Sasuke used the Sharringan in the movie, but the scene was only for a few seconds hence why it was only a brief interaction, and hence why Naruto was flying in the movie. You can tell some of these interactions with the new powerups were small and indecisive. I shouldn't have to explain more.

Just gonna drop this here

1) Correct.

You're wrong on points two and three though. Naruto didn't use RSM because he couldn't, he used up the last of the Bijuu chakra in his fight with Sasuke. It was even explicitly stated during their fight that Naruto was running low on Bijuu chakra just before he made the Twin Rasenshuriken. There's no way Naruto would face someone with Madara's level of power with KCSM if RSM was accessible.

Only if he actively seeks the chakra of Bijuus 1-8 once again can he use RSM. This is because, RSM is not only made up of Sage chakra, but also of the chakra of all nine Bijuu too.

 

[NineSNS]

Some people are stubborn that way. I'm one of them.

 

[Narutohokage324]

1) Correct.

You're wrong on points two and three though. Naruto didn't use RSM because he couldn't, he used up the last of the Bijuu chakra in his fight with Sasuke. It was even explicitly stated during their fight that Naruto was running low on Bijuu chakra just before he made the Twin Rasenshuriken. There's no way Naruto would face someone with Madara's level of power with KCSM if RSM was accessible.

Only if he actively seeks the chakra of Bijuus 1-8 once again can he use RSM. This is because, RSM is not only made up of Sage chakra, but also of the chakra of all nine Bijuu too.

No you are incorrect.
Naruto was only able to use the other chakra from the Tailed Beasts after receiving the power up from the Sage

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"One has the senjutsu of the Six Paths blossomed within him", nowhere does it state that he used the other tailed beast chakra to formulate this, but this isn't my hardcore evidence.

Also notice without bringing in manga scans, that Naruto was only able to talk to the other Tailed Beasts inside of his subconscious only after obtaining this power.


Databook on RSM:

Spoiler

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo), Sage Justu / Ninjutsu used by Naruto. Most of this page is too blurry to read, so I can only translate some of it.

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

As Sasuke's is a gift from the Sage, so is Naruto's. The only reason why RSM was able to unlock the full potential of Naruto's other tailed beast was because of the Sage chakra himself. I mean Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of the Juubi, his power alone is unthinkable.


So to end this statement -- RSM Is created from Sage senjutsu alone, not from combining the tailed beast chakra. It does not state this in the manga, nor in the databook. The wiki has it wrong as well.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Naruto was only able to use the other chakra from the Tailed Beasts after receiving the power up from the Sage

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Naruto's Rikudou Sage Mode is not combined with the Tailed Beast chakra to form, in fact it uses ALL of the tailed beasts chakra once it is activated unlike a normal standard Jinchuriki who is only able to bring out the power of the tailed beast they are hosted to.

"One has the senjutsu of the Six Paths blossomed within him", nowhere does it state that he used the other tailed beast chakra to formulate this, but this isn't my hardcore evidence.

Also notice without bringing in manga scans, that Naruto was only able to talk to the other Tailed Beasts inside of his subconscious only after obtaining this power.


Databook on RSM:

Spoiler

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo), Sage Justu / Ninjutsu used by Naruto. Most of this page is too blurry to read, so I can only translate some of it.

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

As Sasuke's is a gift from the Sage, so is Naruto's. The only reason why RSM was able to unlock the full potential of Naruto's other tailed beast was because of the Sage chakra himself. I mean Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of the Juubi, his power alone is unthinkable.


So to end this statement -- RSM Is created from Sage senjutsu alone, not from combining the tailed beast chakra. It does not state this in the manga, nor in the databook. The wiki has it wrong as well.

 

[Narutohokage324]

1) Correct.

You're wrong on points two and three though. Naruto didn't use RSM because he couldn't, he used up the last of the Bijuu chakra in his fight with Sasuke. It was even explicitly stated during their fight that Naruto was running low on Bijuu chakra just before he made the Twin Rasenshuriken. There's no way Naruto would face someone with Madara's level of power with KCSM if RSM was accessible.

Only if he actively seeks the chakra of Bijuus 1-8 once again can he use RSM. This is because, RSM is not only made up of Sage chakra, but also of the chakra of all nine Bijuu too.

That is not true. Not at all. First I cannot post IMG links because I am new ... so bare with me here. These are viz scans of course ~
RSM is not combined with Tailed Beast chakra, only the Truth Seeking balls. The form RSM is something entirely different.

Naruto was only able to use the other chakra from the Tailed Beasts after receiving the power up from the Sage

Naruto's Rikudou Sage Mode is not combined with the Tailed Beast chakra to form, in fact it uses ALL of the tailed beasts chakra once it is activated unlike a normal standard Jinchuriki who is only able to bring out the power of the tailed beast they are hosted to.

Look at this:

"One has the senjutsu of the Six Paths blossomed within him", nowhere does it state that he used the other tailed beast chakra to formulate this, but this isn't my hardcore evidence.

Also notice without bringing in manga scans, that Naruto was only able to talk to the other Tailed Beasts inside of his subconscious only after obtaining this power.


Databook on RSM:

Spoiler

Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo), Sage Justu / Ninjutsu used by Naruto. Most of this page is too blurry to read, so I can only translate some of it.

The big header basically says it's a gift from the ancestor of shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosphical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Top caption says that the caster has an unconcious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

Second caption says, "Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"

Third caption says, "His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchuriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!"

As Sasuke's is a gift from the Sage, so is Naruto's. The only reason why RSM was able to unlock the full potential of Naruto's other tailed beast was because of the Sage chakra himself. I mean Hagoromo was the Jinchuriki of the Juubi, his power alone is unthinkable.


So to end this statement -- RSM Is created from Sage senjutsu alone, not from combining the tailed beast chakra. It does not state this in the manga, nor in the databook. The wiki has it wrong as well.

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I'm making a thread to explain RSM / Naruto the Last - Why he didn't use it.
My biggest point in there for you was that the movie was made before RSM/Sharringan were introduced into the story.

Sasuke had a short cameo in the movie, but that itself looked like Kishimoto's work. He did not finalize the movie, but merely helped. This was all SP's doing.

Manga > Anime > Movies

Toneri's abilities were introduced with plot, however Sasuke's/Naruto's god powers were not. Kishimoto stated that this movie takes place between 699 - 700, but he also stated that you don't need to watch the anime nor read the manga to watch the movie. That indicates that this shouldn't be taken seriously in forms of canon information.

 

[Opiuchus05]

Stupidest thread I've read all day
This why I don't take naruto haters seriously if this is what they consider rectors and plot holes

 

[Amaterasu]

I stopped at Obito's survival, i mean everybody knows tahat Obito was alive since his first appearance. The rest is BS

Op went full retard, nothing to see here

 

[davidou]

"don't see why people don't cconsider the last canon just because of retcons and plot holes when even the manga has retcons and plot holes! What? does that suddenly mean the mnaga isn't canon either? " - Lady Byakugan

She has the point!

So , you are waiting for Mecha-Naruto and Guren to be the center of part 3?
Are you waiting for the guy in the 3rd Naruto movie , to come and have a big role in Naruto part 3?

Isn't it a fact that movies and anime are canon?

I didn't read after that , if you mix the mangafacts , the anime facts and the movie facts together , your post must be crazy.

 

[HENI]

Actually chakra existed before the fruit.

 

[Uzumaki Bolt]

Not all movies are canon, nor are some anime episodes. However, some anime fillers are later canonized, as the pseudo jinchuriki was, or stated as canon by the authors themselves, as the Last was.


Regardless, The Last doesn't introduce anything that really shows itself as an unacceptable plothole. I can accept Sakura pulling the Byakugou out her a$$, and I can accept the tenseigan.

Moreover, I need the info on Hamura, and the only place we can get it from is the Last.

Finally, Kishimoto actually 'approves' all fillers, games and movies, so that they don't "break" the manga continuity. He wouldn't let movie creators play around with an important character like Hamura if it wasn't canon.

 

[Bankai11]

Isn't it a fact that movies and anime are canon?

Not at all. Anime fillers are not canon as movies neither unless the mangaka itself doesn't confirm it as cannon and place it into the original storyline.

For example, some of the One Piece movies are canons as Oda Eiichiro confirmed them as canon. The Last is far the only movie that has been confirmed as canon.