The truth behind Raiton Armor (Lightning Release Armor)

[iSpeak]

Making this thread to explain how Raiton Armor works, and what the benefits of using it are. Just to let you know, ill be including why genjutsu won't work on them in more detail than I did last time, since some people believe they have countered it. This may be long, but please read everything if you have the time. By the way, im not a Raikage fanboy.

By now, everyone should know that Raiton Armor stimulates synapses. But I doubt many people know what the side effects of it are.

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Viz translation - Shee: Lord Raikage's nerve transmissions and his reaction speed are on par with that of Konoha's yellow flash.....Impressive these folks are keeping up as well as they are. But Lord Raikage has manipulated raiton chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the sharingan will be able to keep up with him.

Side note - A synapse is a small gap at the end of a nerve cell that allows information (such as pain) to pass from one nerve cell to the next via neurotransmitters.

The Raikage's Armor acts as a neurostimulator (an electrical stimulation of the nerves).

What is a neurostimulator?

Electrical stimulation of the nerves (also known as neurostimulation) are used to stop pain. It involves the application of electric current near or along the nerve pathways causing pain. Neurostimulation blocks the pain sensation in the body from reaching the brain. You can find out more by researching Neurostimlation, too long to write everything.

So, the Raiton Armor is the reason as to why the Raikage's have such a high tolerance to pain. The pain information which travels through the nerves are being interrupted by the electric current from the Raiton Armor.

Some devices such as Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS), work this way to help stop pain.

Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS) is used to relieve pain caused by a variety of chronic conditions, including:
• neck and lower back pain
• headache/migraine
• arthritis
• post-herpetic neuralgia
• sciatica
• temporomandibular joint pain
• osteoarthritis
• amputation (explains why Raikage was able to easily cut off his arm)
• fibromyalgia

Note: With no pain information being received whilst the Raiton Shield is active, Tsukuyomi (Itachi's) is useless.

Ok I understand. So what else does neurostimulation do?

Neurostimulation technology improves the life quality of those who are severely paralyzed or suffering from profound losses to various sense organs.

Side note: A sense organ is a specialized organ or structure, such as the eye, ear, tongue, nose, or skin, where sensory neurons are concentrated and that functions as a receptor.

How is genjutsu used?

Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their 5 senses.

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A common way to break Genjutsu is through intense pain not caused by the genjutsu and utilising the resulting pain to bring their senses back in order.

Electrical stimulation at the time of nerve repair promotes motoneurons to reinnervate appropriate pathways leading to muscle and stimulates sensory neurons to regenerate.
For example, Neurostimulation helps to cure Tinnis.

Tinnitus - An auditory illusion where the subject hears noises that do not originate outside but within the body itself.

So with the Raiton Armor active acting as a Neurostimulator regenerating senses, genjutsu simply won't work (with the exception of Izanami ofcourse).

Whilst we are here, I want to go over this picture again.

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People say that there is no evidence that Sasuke was trying to cast a genjutsu on the Raikage because he used a hand sign. However, there is.

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Notice that both Tobi and Madara used the exact same hand sign to cast a genjutsu on the Kyuubi. Hand signs for Sharingan genjutsu's simply give greater control over the opponent.

The Raiton Armor also acts as an electrical muscle stimulator (EMS), which is a device that stimulates muscle contraction by electrical impulses to increase strength.

Example of EMS being used:

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[Braveknight]

if photon rasen shurkin didnt work on the lighten armor...i dont think any thing would work >_> excpt his own attack

 

[Lysander]

Wow you have done your research nice job.

 

[Ryuu..]

Very nice, +rep. The only thing I will say is, will Kishi have gone into such indepth biology when thinking about Raiton Armor? Because that is the only thing I will question (he has stated some things in the manga before which can be challenged scientifically). Nevertheless, this is nicely explained.

 

[Commander Axe]

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[Altaneen]

if photon rasen shurkin didnt work on the lighten armor...i dont think any thing would work >_> excpt his own attack

Zomg photons! xd

My usual theory on how jutsus work is Kishi says they do.
You seem to have gave that a ton of thought and worked hard on it so +rep.

 

[PUU]

good thread. +rep

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Interesting, +rep for the work but I'm still not convinced. You sort of blagged your way around the 5 senses, and that handsign isn't conclusive evidence to show Sasuke was using a genjutsu

 

[System001]

This deserves a + rep.
I'm looking forward to Uchiha Pawnage by the Raikage.

 

[iSpeak]

Very nice, +rep. The only thing I will say is, will Kishi have gone into such indepth biology when thinking about Raiton Armor? Because that is the only thing I will question (he has stated some things in the manga before which can be challenged scientifically). Nevertheless, this is nicely explained.

Thanks. What I explained isn't really that complicated, some of the information I added was just for examples. Plus, Kishi would have needed to know the background knowledge on what he is doing, I doubt he would randomly put lightning armor on a character to increase reflexes without even knowing how it works. And the fact that effects of Raiton Armor match up with the science behind it seems much more than a coincidence to me.

 

[tom94]

I like science, I like Naruto, so + rep
but seriously, good analogy, never even thought of that before, Shee's comment went right over my head!

 

[iSpeak]

Interesting, +rep for the work but I'm still not convinced. You sort of blagged your way around the 5 senses, and that handsign isn't conclusive evidence to show Sasuke was using a genjutsu

Thanks. The 5 senses bit I rushed because the thread was becoming very long already, and I didn't want people to complain about it. But you can research it online.
I literally can't think of anything Sasuke was trying to do in that situation apart from genjutsu and Ama, and he clearly wasn't trying to cast Ama. The fact that the hand signs match up only compliments that.

 

[KyoshiroSenju]

+rep but there might be a jutsu tht can break the raiton armor not the user own attack but another jutsu

 

[iSpeak]

+rep but there might be a jutsu tht can break the raiton armor not the user own attack but another jutsu

Thanks. Yeh im not saying Raiton Armor is invincible, I was just explaining what the benefits of using it are.

 

[Itachi Uchiwa]

Making this thread to explain how Raiton Armor works, and what the benefits of using it are. Just to let you know, ill be including why genjutsu won't work on them in more detail than I did last time, since some people believe they have countered it. This may be long, but please read everything if you have the time. By the way, im not a Raikage fanboy.

By now, everyone should know that Raiton Armor stimulates synapses. But I doubt many people know what the side effects of it are.

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Viz translation - Shee: Lord Raikage's nerve transmissions and his reaction speed are on par with that of Konoha's yellow flash.....Impressive these folks are keeping up as well as they are. But Lord Raikage has manipulated raiton chakra to augment his reflexes! Not even the sharingan will be able to keep up with him.

Side note - A synapse is a small gap at the end of a nerve cell that allows information (such as pain) to pass from one nerve cell to the next via neurotransmitters.

The Raikage's Armor acts as a neurostimulator (an electrical stimulation of the nerves).

What is a neurostimulator?

Electrical stimulation of the nerves (also known as neurostimulation) are used to stop pain. It involves the application of electric current near or along the nerve pathways causing pain. Neurostimulation blocks the pain sensation in the body from reaching the brain. You can find out more by researching Neurostimlation, too long to write everything.

So, the Raiton Armor is the reason as to why the Raikage's have such a high tolerance to pain. The pain information which travels through the nerves are being interrupted by the electric current from the Raiton Armor.

Some devices such as Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS), work this way to help stop pain.

Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation (TENS) is used to relieve pain caused by a variety of chronic conditions, including:
• neck and lower back pain
• headache/migraine
• arthritis
• post-herpetic neuralgia
• sciatica
• temporomandibular joint pain
• osteoarthritis
• amputation (explains why Raikage was able to easily cut off his arm)
• fibromyalgia

Note: With no pain information being received whilst the Raiton Shield is active, Tsukuyomi (Itachi's) is useless.

Ok I understand. So what else does neurostimulation do?

Neurostimulation technology improves the life quality of those who are severely paralyzed or suffering from profound losses to various sense organs.

Side note: A sense organ is a specialized organ or structure, such as the eye, ear, tongue, nose, or skin, where sensory neurons are concentrated and that functions as a receptor.

How is genjutsu used?

Genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their 5 senses.

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A common way to break Genjutsu is through intense pain not caused by the genjutsu and utilising the resulting pain to bring their senses back in order.

Electrical stimulation at the time of nerve repair promotes motoneurons to reinnervate appropriate pathways leading to muscle and stimulates sensory neurons to regenerate.
For example, Neurostimulation helps to cure Tinnis.

Tinnitus - An auditory illusion where the subject hears noises that do not originate outside but within the body itself.

So with the Raiton Armor active acting as a Neurostimulator regenerating senses, genjutsu simply won't work (with the exception of Izanami ofcourse).

Whilst we are here, I want to go over this picture again.

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People say that there is no evidence that Sasuke was trying to cast a genjutsu on the Raikage because he used a hand sign. However, there is.

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Notice that both Tobi and Madara used the exact same hand sign to cast a genjutsu on the Kyuubi. Hand signs for Sharingan genjutsu's simply give greater control over the opponent.

The Raiton Armor also acts as an electrical muscle stimulator (EMS), which is a device that stimulates muscle contraction by electrical impulses to increase strength.

Example of EMS being used:

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true ! agreed "normal level" genjutsu won't work on a raiton armor user... still :

sasuke wasn't defined to be the Fine genjutsu, on the contrary : his first attack in the series was the fire style attack #physical attack.
on the other hand, "even a short and a weak genjutsu can be used as an enough distraction to the opponent, giving the user the good opportunity to make his move" as quoted by Tobi.

So point is : sasuke's genjutsu as seen before he obtains EMS is not That kind of genjutsu you can base on as example.

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even with EMS we agree that sasuke's genjutsu isn't That great.
Point is : when you say Genjutsu ; I mean : when you need to build conclusions based on genjutsus power : then we're talking about genjutsu in Itachi's level for example : which is on a total another level:
1- Despite Tsukuyomi : Itachi's normal genjutsu is strong to the point that he affected bee #jinchurikii #no use of denying it : itachi's normal genjutsu did his purpose which was : itachi's escape from bee's hand, which what he did : and if he could control himself even better he could make a deadly attack on bee and no use of denying it : <-- which sasuke failed to do : all what he did was paralyzing bee for a moment ; which is not the effect of the genjutsu : the genjutsu's true effect is : what happened to C : he couldn't control his nerves he was trembling etc.. so we can come to this : Sasuke's Genjutsu isn't so strong nor decent so that we can make conclusions about it ! point is : I believe a genjutsu as Itachi's can affect, even for a moment a ration armor user
2- As we all know, Tsukuyomi is on another level when we talk about Genjutsu : so no explanation is needed I believe.
3- Kotoamatsukami : Same as tsukuyomi.
We don't have enough info on izanami : but I believe it Will affect the armor user.

So as conclusion : I agree : genjutsu as sasuke's normal gen: won't affect him : but it's not the same for Shisui or itachi's Gen !

(+rep : #impressed by the synapse part and how you related facts tgthr (Y) )

 

[Rike Senju]

Good thread + rep I too believe sasuke was trying to cast genjutsu on A but most uchiha fanboys will disagree U_U

 

[iSpeak]

true ! agreed "normal level" genjutsu won't work on a raiton armor user... still :

sasuke wasn't defined to be the Fine genjutsu, on the contrary : his first attack in the series was the fire style attack #physical attack.
on the other hand, "even a short and a weak genjutsu can be used as an enough distraction to the opponent, giving the user the good opportunity to make his move" as quoted by Tobi.

So point is : sasuke's genjutsu as seen before he obtains EMS is not That kind of genjutsu you can base on as example.

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even with EMS we agree that sasuke's genjutsu isn't That great.
Point is : when you say Genjutsu ; I mean : when you need to build conclusions based on genjutsus power : then we're talking about genjutsu in Itachi's level for example : which is on a total another level:
1- Despite Tsukuyomi : Itachi's normal genjutsu is strong to the point that he affected bee #jinchurikii #no use of denying it : itachi's normal genjutsu did his purpose which was : itachi's escape from bee's hand, which what he did : and if he could control himself even better he could make a deadly attack on bee and no use of denying it : <-- which sasuke failed to do : all what he did was paralyzing bee for a moment ; which is not the effect of the genjutsu : the genjutsu's true effect is : what happened to C : he couldn't control his nerves he was trembling etc.. so we can come to this : Sasuke's Genjutsu isn't so strong nor decent so that we can make conclusions about it ! point is : I believe a genjutsu as Itachi's can affect, even for a moment a ration armor user
2- As we all know, Tsukuyomi is on another level when we talk about Genjutsu : so no explanation is needed I believe.
3- Kotoamatsukami : Same as tsukuyomi.
We don't have enough info on izanami : but I believe it Will affect the armor user.

So as conclusion : I agree : genjutsu as sasuke's normal gen: won't affect him : but it's not the same for Shisui or itachi's Gen !

(+rep : #impressed by the synapse part and how you related facts tgthr (Y) )

Thanks! Even if Itachi was able to catch Raikage in a genjutsu, his Tsukuyomi would pose no threat since Raikage feels no pain due to the information being blocked by the Lightning shroud (that is if Itachi uses an instant paralysis Tsukuyomi, similar to the one he used on Kakashi).
Izanami doesn't effect the 5 senses, so I can't really see any reason why it won't work on him.
As for KA, I don't know about that.
By the way, Sasuke is good at genjutsu. He managed to counter Itachi's genjutsu a few times and managed to cast a genjutsu on Manda.

 

[Itachi Uchiwa]

Thanks! Even if Itachi was able to catch Raikage in a genjutsu, his Tsukuyomi would pose no threat since Raikage feels no pain due to the information being blocked by the Lightning shroud (that is if Itachi uses an instant paralysis Tsukuyomi, similar to the one he used on Kakashi).
Izanami doesn't effect the 5 senses, so I can't really see any reason why it won't work on him.
As for KA, I don't know about that.
By the way, Sasuke is good at genjutsu. He managed to counter Itachi's genjutsu a few times and managed to cast a genjutsu on Manda.

3 points :

-- Bold : the pain of the victim in tsukuyomi is spirit break : and it affects the sight btw, and the tsukuyomi Itachi used on Kakashi is the same as the one he used on sasuke : you feel it's different because of the background etc: but , in fact he used the same tsukuyomi : the time in real life is a sec if not less : in the victim's mind it's days if the user desires.
-- Italic : Izanami affects the mind ; thus vision #not 100% sure tho we have to wait to see it's true function : if it's what's happening to Kabuto , memories and such , or it's smth else.
-- Underline: Sasuke's not as good in genjutsu as we think : if he would've been so good : he wouldn't 've been fooled by Itachi's Gen at the first place : instead of stabbing him he would 've rather broken from the first place, and he broke out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi after a good Time : so he's not That good that we can build conclusions on sasuke's gen.

 

[psayian]

Thanks! Even if Itachi was able to catch Raikage in a genjutsu, his Tsukuyomi would pose no threat since Raikage feels no pain due to the information being blocked by the Lightning shroud (that is if Itachi uses an instant paralysis Tsukuyomi, similar to the one he used on Kakashi).
Izanami doesn't effect the 5 senses, so I can't really see any reason why it won't work on him.
As for KA, I don't know about that.
By the way, Sasuke is good at genjutsu. He managed to counter Itachi's genjutsu a few times and managed to cast a genjutsu on Manda.

i missed sasukes genjutsu failing on A, darn i should add that to my thread + rep. my thread proved how sasuke wasnt good at genjutsu btw.

 

[iSpeak]

3 points :

-- Bold : the pain of the victim in tsukuyomi is spirit break : and it affects the sight btw, and the tsukuyomi Itachi used on Kakashi is the same as the one he used on sasuke : you feel it's different because of the background etc: but , in fact he used the same tsukuyomi : the time in real life is a sec if not less : in the victim's mind it's days if the user desires.
-- Italic : Izanami affects the mind ; thus vision #not 100% sure tho we have to wait to see it's true function : if it's what's happening to Kabuto , memories and such , or it's smth else.
-- Underline: Sasuke's not as good in genjutsu as we think : if he would've been so good : he wouldn't 've been fooled by Itachi's Gen at the first place : instead of stabbing him he would 've rather broken from the first place, and he broke out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi after a good Time : so he's not That good that we can build conclusions on sasuke's gen.

Tsukuyomi effects all of the senses. It uses sight to catch the opponent inside the genjutsu, but once they are in it everything they taste, smell, see, hear and touch is an illusion. It effects all of the senses. If all of your senses are intact, then genjutsu simply wouldn't work. Which is why causing physical pain to get senses back in order is a form of counter.
Izanami is the only genjutsu wich works regardless of their 5 senses.

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What happens in Tsukuyomi, or any genjutsu for that matter, is an illusion. But the mental damage side effect is real. They feel it in the real world. If there is no pain, then there is no side effect.
However good the genjutsu is, if it doesn't have senses to effect then it is useless (with the exception of Izanami). The opponent would be able to see, hear, smell, touch and taste everything in the real world.