The Truth About Sakura's seal (Straight Facts).

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Yup, Kishimoto said she caught up.. why is the B*tching moaning still going on?

Kishimoto's words > Your fan-fiction.
Yet she was compared to child Tsunade by Hashirama. :rolleyes:

Why do you wanna argue about something we agree on? Kishi trolled Sakura's genjutsu! What else do you want me to say?

(Chakra Control) All of that is nice but the fact of the matter is that Sakura's chakra control > Any Hyuga and it's a manga fact. It's factual meaning you can't argue it logically now does that devalue them as a clan? No it doesn't but Sakura > Hyuga chakra control. Show me a scan that says they've reached the pinnacle of chakra control. Show me a scan where a hyuga controls their chakra on a cellular level. I'll wait, matter fact I won't wait because there isn't one. You can't argue that so stop posting Hyuga techniques and summerizing or estimating the amount of chakra control required for the jutsu when the manga scan doesnt . The Manga backs up Sakura > Hyuga chakra control and I've proven that over a dozen times you however haven't.
If Sakura was better at chakra control then why can't she do all the things they can do(expel chakra from every part of their body, long-range chakra attacks strong enough to hold back the juubi, use chakra for defense purposes like rotation)? All things more useful in combat. As Sakura can't expel chakra from every part of her body as she couldn't free herself from Sasuke's choke, like Neji did with that Zetsu.

I already explained the flaw in your logic with Legend of Korra earth bending sub-skill.

He cannot knead chakra or his chakra simply has no affinity. Hinata has no techniques, so she can have that affinity. But without feats, it's just that, an affinity. Which means nothing.
Might Gai had the same problem as Lee when he was young. Yet was able to perform ninjutsu years. Its not a disability.
 
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madara,tobiroma,naruto,sasuke,hasirama,shino,kakashi,hiruzen,all hyuuga in general,tsunade,
itachi ,nagato, kisame,all perfect jichurikies,minato,garaa,sasori....etc

how do i say this? almost every relevant character has perfect chakra controll
contined; Mu, Chiyo, Sai, Konan, Onoki, Mei, Orochimaru, Raikages, the Nara clan in general, Jiraiya, Yamanakas, Trollkage is legenary in his own right & so is Kabuto...etc, etc.

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He cannot knead chakra or his chakra simply has no affinity. Hinata has no techniques, so she can have that affinity. But without feats, it's just that, an affinity. Which means nothing.
He can in fact knead chakra, as shown when he was able to stand on water, it's only ninjutsu and genjutsu that he sucks in. And even so, even if he can't use a single ninjutsu ability, that doesn't change the fact that every single person that has chakra, whether they are a ninja or not, has an affinity to one of the five chakra natures. The fact that Lee was listed with no element shows that the diagrams were of what affinities the ninjas could use, not what they have an affinity for.
 

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He can in fact knead chakra, as shown when he was able to stand on water, it's only ninjutsu and genjutsu that he sucks in. And even so, even if he can't use a single ninjutsu ability, that doesn't change the fact that every single person that has chakra, whether they are a ninja or not, has an affinity to one of the five chakra natures. The fact that Lee was listed with no element shows that the diagrams were of what affinities the ninjas could use, not what they have an affinity for.
He cannot knead chakra for Ninjutsu. Even Gates are chakra based. I still don't see your point. Having an affinity for something and using it are not even the same thing. Naruto's Futon training should be a proof of that.
 

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He cannot knead chakra for Ninjutsu. Even Gates are chakra based. I still don't see your point. Having an affinity for something and using it are not even the same thing. Naruto's Futon training should be a proof of that.
I'll try to explain my point another way.

The diagrams in the databook had various affinities for each character, with Hinata having fire and lightening. Yet when it came to Lee, there was nothing there. Does this mean Lee has no natural elemental chakra affinity? No! Because it is fact that every human, whether they are a shinobi capable of using chakra or a civilian who can't even create a clone, has an affinity to one of the five basic elements. Knowing this, why weren't we given an elemental affinity for Lee? the answer is simple in that the diagrams were not showing what each characters natural affinities were but rather what affinities they are already capable of using.

Speaking of which, some of the diagrams had 3,4, or even all 5 elements listed for the users ALONG with Yin element and Yang element

Yet a human can only have ONE NATURAL AFFINITY, with the other 4 being learned through training.

This is further proof that these diagrams are not showing what a character's natural affinity is but rather which elements they know how to use

This would be like saying Naruto never had wind affinity when he was 4 years old because he couldn't knead chakra for ninjutsu back then. Chakra affinity is there from birth, it's up to the user to learn how to get to it. Naruto managed to do so, but Lee was unable to do so. This does not mean he doesn't have an affinity, he does. We just don't know what it is.
 
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I think people over hype Sakura's chakra control too much though. There's no doubt in my mind that the likes of Hashirama, Naruto, Sasuke, Madara, Kaguya, Hamura, Hagoromo, and Toneri are superior to her.
well yes & no. sakuras hype is valid, not exaggerated. the problem s context.
her hype lies in the medical field, where it is unsurpassed. those guys you listed R unsurpassed in their own ways too

E]With how much so many abilities and characters are hyped up in this manga [remember the Juubi ? And how it's perofrmance never reached it's hype?] it's kinda obvious that the whole "pinnacle of Chakra control" comment is hype & feats, and rather meaningless hype at that .
again yes & no. her hype is factual, not meaningless. but you're correct in that we shouldn't even be comparing their wildly different abilities/chakra manipulations
 

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I'll try to explain my point another way.

The diagrams in the databook had various affinities for each character, with Hinata having fire and lightening. Yet when it came to Lee, there was nothing there. Does this mean Lee has no natural elemental chakra affinity? No! Because it is fact that every human, whether they are a shinobi capable of using chakra or a civilian who can't even create a clone, has an affinity to one of the five basic elements. Knowing this, why weren't we given an elemental affinity for Lee? the answer is simple in that the diagrams were not showing what each characters natural affinities were but rather what affinities they are already capable of using.

Speaking of which, some of the diagrams had 3,4, or even all 5 elements listed for the users ALONG with Yin element and Yang element

Yet a human can only have ONE NATURAL AFFINITY, with the other 4 being learned through training.

This is further proof that these diagrams are not showing what a character's natural affinity is but rather which elements they know how to use

This would be like saying Naruto never had wind affinity when he was 4 years old because he couldn't knead chakra for ninjutsu back then. Chakra affinity is there from birth, it's up to the user to learn how to get to it. Naruto managed to do so, but Lee was unable to do so. This does not mean he doesn't have an affinity, he does. We just don't know what it is.
Your last paragraph answers your own doubts. Affinity and training are not the same thing. Hinata may have the Raiton affinity, but without any training it's useless.

I don't know who you are bringing Lee into this, to be honest.
 

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I am not even saying this as a Sakura basher. But based on this thread I am totally convinced Hyugas are best at chakara control. I have been shown enough evidence to believe it.
They really are too different and it's not a fair comparison imo. Hyuga can send chakra throughout every chakra point, however sakura can send chakra through her hand or whatnot. Maybe it is quality versus quantity, but medical ninjutsu really seems to rely on hype to prove its position in the ninja world. This is another reason why I wanted kishi to write more about medical ninjutsu. Kishi dropped the ball when Naruto asked about it but decided it would be too complicated to explain...
 
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They really are too different and it's not a fair comparison imo. Hyuga can send chakra throughout every chakra point, however sakura can send chakra through her hand or whatnot. Maybe it is quality versus quantity, but medical ninjutsu really seems to rely on hype to prove its position in the ninja world. This is another reason why I wanted kishi to write more about medical ninjutsu. Kishi dropped the ball when Naruto asked about it but decided it would be too complicated to explain...
Well not giving medical ninjutsu much explanation shows that Kishi was clearly not interested in being a doctor. When its all set and done which one would you give the title to? Who is indeed best at chakara control? The Hyugas or medicial ninjutsu users like Sakura & Tsunade?
 

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Well not giving medical ninjutsu much explanation shows that Kishi was clearly not interested in being a doctor. When its all set and done which one would you give the title to? Who is indeed best at chakara control? The Hyugas or medicial ninjutsu users like Sakura & Tsunade?
Basically it might be quality (medical ninjutsu) versus quantity (hyuga), so quality would have more potent chakra control albeit it doesn't seem like. Sending chakra throughout every chakra point seems like a better feat than sending chakra throughout a hand or storing chakra in one spot. Then again more explaining could help medical ninjutsu hype some imo.
 

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Why do you wanna argue about something we agree on? Kishi trolled Sakura's genjutsu! What else do you want me to say?

(Chakra Control) All of that is nice but the fact of the matter is that Sakura's chakra control > Any Hyuga and it's a manga fact. It's factual meaning you can't argue it logically now does that devalue them as a clan? No it doesn't but Sakura > Hyuga chakra control. Show me a scan that says they've reached the pinnacle of chakra control. Show me a scan where a hyuga controls their chakra on a cellular level. I'll wait, matter fact I won't wait because there isn't one. You can't argue that so stop posting Hyuga techniques and summerizing or estimating the amount of chakra control required for the jutsu when the manga scan doesnt . The Manga backs up Sakura > Hyuga chakra control and I've proven that over a dozen times you however haven't.
So Now you want to repeat what I just told you, that you admitted the fact that Sakura didn't live up to her genjutsu affinity which proves the whole "Pinaccle chakra control" meaningless and just nothing more but hype, sakura chakra control feats was never much impressive enough compare to the hyuga which I've already laid out all the facts on the table when you ask me to show you and yet all you do is whine and cry that I should stop posting because you couldn't handle the truth which I've already debunked. Seriously, I've already proven you that controlling all the chakra point is considered perfect which it was stated countless times in the manga and the databook meaning to our knowledge, it's on cellular or even greater because they can not only control all 361 tenketsu, but also they can absorb, expell wide variety field of range, destroy, detect, and analyzing chakra which already stated many time in the manga and the databook, so it doesn't matter how you interpret. What you're currently doing is finding a way to pull every strings in any way to defend your argument.

The only thing that proves sakura best feats in chakra control is medical ninjutsu, yes it was proven that that Byakogou seal required pinaccle chakra control to release it, which upon releasing it sprout all her healing capability throughout her whole body, giving automatic regenerative, but literally her ability did mostly the job, all Sakura did is whenever she formed a seal, she molded part of her body that work.

Hyuga are superior to Sakura in chakra control in every criteria in terms of fighting standpoint. In all fairness, Sakura wouldn't be able to learn some hyuga abilities but when it comes to the non-hyuga such as controlling all tenketsu to emmit chakra from every part of her body, or expelling , I don't see Sakura does any of the following. In combat style, she has only shown she molded chakra through her fist or feet.

Her punch can only cause damage by injuring the body and broken bones which can completely wreck the outer body if successfully landed the blow. However her enhance strength doesn't have strong impact against anything that are made of chakra and as such this was proven when Tsunade couldn't break through the Susanoo.

Unlike Sakura/Tsunade super strength, Jyuuken are adept with precision in chakra control that allows to disrupt chakra substance, energies, and organisms, therefore can dispel certain small- large scale elemental jutsu as well , and can cripple one hit KO by closing every chakra point and can also damage inner organ depending the amount of input chakra being sent.

Hinata Twin lionfist have both assets in destructive power ( Probably large scale like Sakura) which can do outer damage and gentle fist style that would block all the chakra points and cause inner damage. She can also absorb chakra, and this technique can only be taught by selective few who have the best chakra control to utilise it, and any tiny mistake will completely disrupt it.
However I digress, I won't determine as a fact Until I see Hinata lionfist in the Last movie with my own eyes.
They have the Byakugan, and therefore gives them chakra control advantage they have chakra sensory capabilities and vast focus abilities which you could argue that Sakura couldn't possibly learn these technique which is true, but it's because they're the Hyuga's and hyuga are strong.

Anyway back to my point, it seems all you do is relying the databook or dialogues only to comfort yourself, but action will always be louder than words so in the end of the day you havn't proven anything.
 
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Your last paragraph answers your own doubts. Affinity and training are not the same thing. Hinata may have the Raiton affinity, but without any training it's useless.

I don't know who you are bringing Lee into this, to be honest.
Except the diagrams in the databook aren't about what affinities they have, it's about which elements they actually can use.

Every person has only one natural affinity. Naruto's was wind, Sasuke's fire , etc.

But even so, they are still able to train and learn more than that, like how Sasuke learned lightening.

If the diagrams were in fact merely showing what were the characters' natural chakra affinities, each diagram would have only one affinity high lighted, as each person has only one natural affinity. Moreover, Lee's diagram would also have an element high lighted as opposed to being left completly blank.

I'm bringing up Lee because his diagram has no elemental chakra highlighted, showing that he can't use any of the 5 basic elements. yet that doesn't mean he doesn't have a natural affinity for one of them, as every human has one natural affinity amoung the five basic elements, it's just that he can't use any of them.

This is proof that the diagrams are showing what elements the Characters are capable of using, not which elements are their natural affinities. Meaning Hinata can in fact use fire and lightening chakra.
 

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Basically it might be quality (medical ninjutsu) versus quantity (hyuga), so quality would have more potent chakra control albeit it doesn't seem like. Sending chakra throughout every chakra point seems like a better feat than sending chakra throughout a hand or storing chakra in one spot. Then again more explaining could help medical ninjutsu hype some imo.
Personally I go with the Hyuga still. Kishi did not expand upon medical ninjustu but that can't be used as a excuse in a argument. Hyugas have shown more and proven more. I was never a fan of these empty hypes by Kishi anyways. This seems like another one of them.
 

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Personally I go with the Hyuga still. Kishi did not expand upon medical ninjustu but that can't be used as a excuse in a argument. Hyugas have shown more and proven more. I was never a fan of these empty hypes by Kishi anyways. This seems like another one of them.
To be honest I think the whole pinnacle of chakra control is from the databook, while the manga says precise chakra control.
 
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