The Third Raikage. How Powerful?

[Tazzilla88]

So the Third Raikage definitely has a good amount of hype attached to his name but I wonder how much is deserved

The third Raikage is known for five things.
1. Hell Stab
2. Durability
3. Stamina
4. Black Lightning
5. Speed

No one can really say much about either 2 or 3. But just hear me out.

1. His Hell Stab seems a bit over exaggerated. Not because it isn't dangerous. It by all means is. I just think it's less dangerous than we think it is. What reasoning could I possibly have for that? His hell stab is not particularly his fastest attack. His hell stabs were slow enough for the army to dodge for the most part.

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So when he uses hell stab there is no guarantee his attacks are going to connect. And we think of them as this great overwhelming force but the three fingered stab only did this to shinobi.

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Yes, the shinobi were hurt but the wounds as far as we can see don't look extremely severe. You would expect with the hype given to his hell stab that if he slashes his enemy with the hell stab they'll be bisected. But this is not the case. Then in terms of his strength Dodai described his punch as a Knock out not a death inducing blow.

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And Believe me, I know what your going to say next, with his strength he cut off the Hachibi's tails.

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And this is true.... but Minato's Kunai did considerable damage to the Hachibi's tails and I'm not really sure how big of a feat hell stab cutting the tails is when a kunai cuts through it as well.

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We also know that Raikiri would be strong enough to cut through tailed beast tails.

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And the fourth Raikage was able to cut through the 8 tails horn which should reasonably be harder to cut through than his fleshy tails.

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So how big of a feat is cutting through the Hachibi's tails?

2. Yeah not much to say here. The only question worth asking how would his durability hold up against top tier strength/ top tier physical jutsus attacks considering it was the force one his hell stab that put him down? I'd also like to point out the way FRS works is not by overwhelming the opponent with power like a traditional rasengan. Rather, what it does it make small cuts on a cellular. So while it is a powerful attack it's not powerful in the way I meant. I meant powerful such as things like Susanoo arrow/Meteors/ CT/ Totsuka/ Juubi slap/ Kitsuchi's Sandwich Jutsu/ etc.

3. A few questions to be raised here. In part 1 it was said that a soldier pill could give you a feat equivalent to the Third's feat of fight for three days and nights.

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So does soldier pills undermine his hype? And with other chakra beasts being around he seems just a bit less special.

4. We just haven't seen much of this so far. But it would be nice if black lightning could be distiniguished somehow from regular lightning

5. I will grant you that the third raikage is fast.

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But he's not faster than KM Naruto because KM's speed blitzed him.

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And he wasn't able to react to SM Naruto fast enough.

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Dodai was able to use a jutsu and pull the switcheroo before the Third's strike landed.

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So I guess the question really is how strong realistically was the Third Raikage?

 

[The Big Boss]

i also read the manga

 

[3MESSIAH]

third raikage is strong as **** but it`s weird that i have him as 20th in my list.

 

[emo313]

he is as strong as a killing machine

 

[YellowFang]

If you are informing me about his strengths... I know it already...U_U
But, How strong IMO???

Definitely better than the current generation of Kages... And less than Muu(Tsuchikage) or Trollkage(Mizukage) of his era...

 

[ToruneNamikaze]

Imo he's speed is overrated fodders were able to see him coming and perform jutsus, his reaction time though is fast. As for your question I'd put him around 11 or 12.

 

[hirashin]

Strong enough he could put a dent in susanno!

 

[PTran5]

Well the Third Raikage did tank Naruto's Rasenshuriken. I actually think he's quite underrated because Naruto made him look like a fool.

 

[Tazzilla88]

i also read the manga

If you are informing me about his strengths... I know it already...U_U
But, How strong IMO???

Definitely better than the current generation of Kages... And less than Muu(Tsuchikage) or Trollkage(Mizukage) of his era...

You guys missed the point. He's overrated. He's strong yes. He's not stronger than the entire generation of current kage.
Muu is strong because of Jinton, without Jinton for either Muu or Oonoki, Oonoki would be stronger. In fact because Muu can't use Jinton while divided in 2 which would leave him with 50% his maximum chakra his is weaker than Oonoki even with Jinton.
Trollkage was the strongest of their generation because his mirage and Joki boy are quite are to counter. And He is not stronger than the entire generation either.

 

[YellowFang]

You guys missed the point. He's overrated. He's strong yes. He's not stronger than the entire generation of current kage.
Muu is strong because of Jinton, without Jinton for either Muu or Oonoki, Oonoki would be stronger. In fact because Muu can't use Jinton while divided in 2 which would leave him with 50% his maximum chakra his is weaker than Oonoki even with Jinton.
Trollkage was the strongest of their generation because his mirage and Joki boy are quite are to counter. And He is not stronger than the entire generation either.

I agree, he's overrated...
He is listed faster way more than he is...
He is listed durable more than he is...

But Current generation is not as good...
Gaara? Nope:stfu:
Mei? Nope:stfu:
Tsunade? Nope:stfu:
Onoki? He's too old to fight the monster...
A? 3rd is definitely better than him...

 

[cata124]

He is top 15

 

[Tazzilla88]

I agree, he's overrated...
He is listed faster way more than he is...
He is listed durable more than he is...

But Current generation is not as good...
Gaara? Nope:stfu:
Mei? Nope:stfu:
Tsunade? Nope:stfu:
Onoki? He's too old to fight the monster...
A? 3rd is definitely better than him...

Oonoki can take him out. (provided his back doesn't go out). With him being an Aerial fighter he immediately has the advantage. If he creates a stone golem and a stone clone that fight while he lurks in the air if the Third Raikage doesn't realize Jinton may be able to take him out. Furthermore, if Oonoki uses Super Heavy Weighted Rock Technique on him the Raikage becomes to slow to move out of the way

A can take him out (provided he has both hands) - A is faster than his father is and A still packs a mean punch. He thought he was strong enough to take out the Third Raikage

Mei cannot take him out - I just don't see a way possible. The only possible way maybe. nope. Thought more about it didn't work out.

Tsunade can take him on- The are only three ways I can imagine Tsunade winning. I mean his hell stabs were slow enough for the army to dodge for the most part.

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So that isn't my concern. And Tsunade being a medical ninja will be evading her but off with full knowledge. So she may decide to strike a pressure point. That's possibility number 1.
Possibility number two, since the nervous system extends throughout the entire body, if he tries to just tank attacks (which whether or not she can hurt him with punches is a question. They won't kill him but will they hurt? I mean A thought he could have some impact. Not just with the Kin-Gin bros but with his father, which leads me to believe that amount of strength can begin to damage him to some degree)

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anyway she may try use Body Pathway Derangement . If such an attack were successful she could kill him with

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Or there is a third way that may be able to harm him, that is chakra scalpels. She doesn't need to pierce the skin for such an attack. Now I know the third is definitely faster than Tsunade. No doubt. However, he seems to have only V1. Which doesn't seem as fast as A's. She can without a doubt see V1 one speed as the entire army saw it, she should be able to react to hell stab as once again the majority of the army did. Black Lightning can be tanked by Katsuyu. It's also important to note that while the third is very physically strong his punches should be knock outs under normal circumstances not death shots. And while Tsunade is not nearly as resilient as the Third she is definitely more resilient than the average shinobi.

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. And the reason that I believe Tsunade can avoid the Third at least partially is beyond the army being able to avoid hell stab, Dodai was able to use a jutsu and pull the switcheroo before the Third's strike landed.

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1. Full knowledge
2. She can be evasive
3. She has a few means of attack beyond trying to power through his skin
4. She has an intimate knowledge of the human body and knows how to strike pressure points.
5. Their strength doesn't seem to be bounds apart. (I'm not talking about the strongest spear as that is a piercing/cutting attack amplified by raiton)
6. Ay seemingly thought his strength was enough to stop the Third, and she is stronger than A. ( I mean A can't speed him to death he must have an attack that would hurt him)
7. She can use Katsuyu as a buffer from Black Lightning
8. She's a chakra beast as well

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Gaara should be able to take him on.. The giant Sand Tsunami he uses followed by the sand quickly dragging the third underground. Gaara might lose. The raikage seems to be able to get out of his sand however, Gaara was able to block A's kick so he may be able to protect himself from the third.

 

[abcdefgh]

Here's where I'd rank him:
1) Hashirama
2) Madara
3) Obito
4) Nagato
5) Naruto
6) Kabuto
7) Sasuke
8) Tobirama/Itachi/Minato
9) Muu/Nidaime Mizukage
10) Sandaime Raikage/Bee

 

[Exaar]

As for your "Knock out not a death inducing blow." point.

It's pretty damn obvious he wouldn't go for a Death blow considering Kabuto wanted the 9tails. So it isn't a correct indications of his strength really. Also Kabuto was controlling him, He wouldn't go at naruto with enough force to kill him outright even if the 3rd had the power to do so.

Also simply because a Kunai Cut one mere tentacle (close to the tip where it isn't that thick), Doesn't undermine the 3rd raikages feat at all.
raikiri couldn't even do this, Not even kakashi's lightning chain because it simply isn't big enough.
Plus look at what sasuke's chidori did to A's lightning armor, it barely made it through, I doubt even kakashi's raikiri could break the 3rd raikages lightning armor, even if it could i doubt it would do any serious damage, yet his hell stabb smashed throught the armor with ease.

You also bring up him not reacting to Sm naruto's dodge, Kabuto again was in full Controll.

As for your FRS point " So while it is a powerful attack it's not powerful in the way I meant. I meant powerful such as things like Susanoo arrow/Meteors/ CT/ Totsuka/ Juubi slap/ Kitsuchi's Sandwich Jutsu/ etc."
I think your missing the point of a Fuuton attack, While it's not got much Power upfront as you said, You need to considering its Slicing and penetrating ability can even surpass that of a raiton. It isn't only about cutting on a cellular level, It's power to cut through things is also immense. So in some area's it can do more damage that a susanoo's arrow.

I don't know why you put Susanoo's arrow on the list with attacks like CT and so on, The arrow has never done a massive amount of damage.

While naruto was Training for Sm, He was also training to throw FRS, It was slicing tops of mountains, Yet it failed to slice the 3rd raikage in half, More testament to his defensive capabilities.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Muu is strong because of Jinton,

peope are strong because of their strengths. i didnt need you to tell me this

without Jinton for either Muu or Oonoki, Oonoki would be stronger. In fact because Muu can't use Jinton while divided in 2 which would leave him with 50% his maximum chakra his is weaker than Oonoki even with Jinton.

invisibility + two swords = dead onoki via sword to the back

Furthermore, if Oonoki uses Super Heavy Weighted Rock Technique on him the Raikage becomes to slow to move out of the way

no way onokis touching third with his speed

Ay seemingly thought his strength was enough to stop the Third

its heavily implied third raikage defeated kin and gin who A was scared of quite badly

nd the reason that I believe Tsunade can avoid the Third at least partially is beyond the army being able to avoid hell stab, Dodai was able to use a jutsu and pull the switcheroo before the Third's strike landed.

that was kabuto controlled third. third's real speed dodged FRS point blank

 

[Tazzilla88]

peope are strong because of their strengths. i didnt need you to tell me this

No need to be abrupt USSJ. I was highlighting if that is the single trade mark that makes him top tier. Yet someone who has the same trademark is often viewed as weaker. I was not dealing on such an elementary level as Jinton of strong. Of course it is. My comment served a bigger purpose.

invisibility + two swords = dead onoki via sword to the back

Hmm it seems that Oonoki would do this instead.

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no way onokis touching third with his speed

Already showed his speed is fast but not that impressive and Oonoki is known for his fast flying speeds.

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its heavily implied third raikage defeated kin and gin who A was scared of quite badly

Really? Because I seem to remember him wanting to go face them as he thought he could stop them as well.

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that was kabuto controlled third. third's real speed dodged FRS point blank

So tell me the difference because that too was Kabuto controlled third. All of it was. The only thing we know from his fighting style is from the Kabuto controlled version. So I don't really understand that argument. As the Third Raikage said even when he had consciousness

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Nothing says he was operating at a level lower than his optimal level.

As for your "Knock out not a death inducing blow." point.

It's pretty damn obvious he wouldn't go for a Death blow considering Kabuto wanted the 9tails. So it isn't a correct indications of his strength really. Also Kabuto was controlling him, He wouldn't go at naruto with enough force to kill him outright even if the 3rd had the power to do so.

So would you call the one finger hell stab lethal force because that was used against Naruto as well. Which tells us that Kishi wanted us to see the Raikage's power levels. So it is valid to say the punch was a knock out punch.

Also simply because a Kunai Cut one mere tentacle (close to the tip where it isn't that thick), Doesn't undermine the 3rd raikages feat at all.
raikiri couldn't even do this, Not even kakashi's lightning chain because it simply isn't big enough.
Plus look at what sasuke's chidori did to A's lightning armor, it barely made it through, I doubt even kakashi's raikiri could break the 3rd raikages lightning armor, even if it could i doubt it would do any serious damage, yet his hell stabb smashed throught the armor with ease.

Let me first begin by pointing the logic of what I was saying. If a kunai is sharp enough to cut through that much of a tentacle it tells us something about the durability of the tentacle. They are not very resistant to cutting. It doesn't matter the base or the tip, the point is the tail is not resistant to cutting.
Raikiri chain isn't big enough I would now like to point out how small the blade is on Minato's kunai. Considering the level of damage it did you cannot actually say that it isn't big enough and I would like to point out it was a chidori variant which cut his tentacle the second time.

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Also this is the length of the one finger hell stab it's not that big

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You also bring up him not reacting to Sm naruto's dodge, Kabuto again was in full Controll.

Kabuto was in full control of his actions at all times. The third never had any control.

As for your FRS point " So while it is a powerful attack it's not powerful in the way I meant. I meant powerful such as things like Susanoo arrow/Meteors/ CT/ Totsuka/ Juubi slap/ Kitsuchi's Sandwich Jutsu/ etc."
I think your missing the point of a Fuuton attack, While it's not got much Power upfront as you said, You need to considering its Slicing and penetrating ability can even surpass that of a raiton. It isn't only about cutting on a cellular level, It's power to cut through things is also immense. So in some area's it can do more damage that a susanoo's arrow.

I don't know why you put Susanoo's arrow on the list with attacks like CT and so on, The arrow has never done a massive amount of damage.

While naruto was Training for Sm, He was also training to throw FRS, It was slicing tops of mountains, Yet it failed to slice the 3rd raikage in half, More testament to his defensive capabilities.

I understand Fuuton's in general but I'm not talking about a general futon. Also these mountain's don't look very mountainy

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I doubt it was a mountain as Madara's feat of cutting mountains was supposed to be mind blowing.

With the amount of Mass and speed the arrows have their piercing power should be much greater than Raikiri is what I mean. So where chidori may be enough to get through A's it's possible that the arrow may get through the third's body.

 

[BazzBee]

third raikage is strong as **** but it`s weird that i have him as 20th in my list.

He needs more screen time U_U