The Third Hokage is the worst ever?

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OMG HOW CAN I ENJOY NARUTO WHEN YOU KEEP HAVING THESE MORAL STANDARDS TO EVERYTHING ITACHI SHOULDNT COMMIT MASS MURDER SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE RAISED NARUTO JESUS.

Keep having moral standards? Yeah I would hope so. I would hope to be against a character wiping out his whole clan, majority of them being nothing but innocent. I would hope to be against abandoning a kid who is constantly bullied and teased at by the village. Of course Naruto is just fiction, but if you don't apply morals to a story then you'll never be able to differentiate the villains from the heroes. Don't be stupid.
 

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Keep having moral standards? Yeah I would hope so. I would hope to be against a character wiping out his whole clan, majority of them being nothing but innocent. I would hope to be against abandoning a kid who is constantly bullied and teased at by the village. Of course Naruto is just fiction, but if you don't apply morals to a story then you'll never be able to differentiate the villains from the heroes. Don't be stupid.
I get it I was half joking.
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I said half because, in real life it can be alot harder to get away with what you consider a moral standard.
For example if police takes a knee in support of blm, they get pressure to be fired because people think they are being idiots that are activists when they should be doing their job instead.
 
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Mianto, how could you commit suicide and leave the village in a poor state for ffs. Oh and Tobi could come back and take Naruro at anytime. Like what stopped that, except plot🤔

Generally speaking if you want to go by overall historical portrayal. The evilest and smartest Hogake was Tobirama. The worst for the wars, oppression of the Uchiha, their massacre, not reigning in Danzo would definitely be the third.
Tobirama evil? Oppressing the Uchiha? He gave them power and influence and the means to contain their unhinged emotions? He could have made Curse of Hatred public knowledge and locked up the Uchiha in a loony bin. Maybe he should have done that.

Tobirama was the best and most pragmatic Hokage.
 

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Tobirama evil? Oppressing the Uchiha? He gave them power and influence and the means to contain their unhinged emotions? He could have made Curse of Hatred public knowledge and locked up the Uchiha in a loony bin. Maybe he should have done that.

Tobirama was the best and most pragmatic Hokage.
Nice fanfic, the curse of hatred is nonsense. If anything he is the one with the curse of hatred. He was even spreading rumours and trying to undermine Hashirama.
 

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Nice fanfic, the curse of hatred is nonsense. If anything he is the one with the curse of hatred. He was even spreading rumours and trying to undermine Hashirama.
LMAO, what?! Curse of Hatred is completely real! One of the themes Naruto ran around! It was mentioned and hinted repeatedly by many characters and most Uchiha manifested it. Tobirama proved it with scientific facts and research (he witnessed it many times in his lifetime), Sage of Six Paths said it, Black Zetsu made such fools out of the Uchiha for generations, Uchiha killed wave each other for their hunger for power, every single disaster in the series was caused by an Uchiha (from world wars to terrorists acts), even Uchiha massacre was orchestrated by other Uchiha.
Uchiha are utterly f*cked in the head.

The fact at the slightest signs of injustice (Danzo's surveillance), they went for coup instead of peaceful protesting shows they have issues.
 

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The 3rd was a good shinobi but he shouldn’t have been hokage LMAO. If we’re going off what the anime told us, he let his emotions get in the way too much and didn’t really change or do what he needed to. He and the elders were both aware what the Uchiha felt because they were treated badly, and didn’t think to do something else instead of just massacring a founding clan and innocent people

Either him or Tobirama. Tobirama was self centered and discriminative, he should’ve been in the intelligence unit or became an Anbu captain lol
 
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The 3rd was a good shinobi but he shouldn’t have been hokage LMAO. If we’re going off what the anime told us, he let his emotions get in the way too much and didn’t really change or do what he needed to.

Either him or Tobirama. Tobirama was self centered and discriminative, he should’ve been in the intelligence unit or became an Anbu captain lol
Hirzuen did a lot for the village even if he made mistakes. He successfully led his people through three world wars and actively advocate peace between nations. He is called the most beloved Hokage for a reason.

Tobirama d9d the most for the village. He was too nice to the Uchiha, could have locked them up in a madhouse but he gave them power and influence instead. Uchiha were volatile and dangerous.
 
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Hirzuen did a lot for the village even if he made mistakes. He successfully led his people through three world wars and actively advocate peace between nations. He is called the most beloved Hokage for a reason.

Tobirama d9d the most for the village. He was too nice to the Uchiha, could have locked them up in a madhouse but he gave them power and influence instead. Uchiha were volatile and dangerous.
He kept peace between nations but not in his village. I’m not downplaying Hiruzen’s good but he’s better off as an adviser for the hokage or second hand man and giving his opinion then.

But he was accusing people of things they might not do. There’s practically only 4 Uchiha’s who went down that path compared to the other clan people.
 

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He kept peace between nations but not in his village. I’m not downplaying Hiruzen’s good but he’s better off as an adviser for the hokage or second hand man and giving his opinion then.

But he was accusing people of things they might not do. There’s practically only 4 Uchiha’s who went down that path compared to the other clan people.
It's not like there was any better candidate for Hirzuen. It was his bad like that his advisors were such rotten people. Hashirama and Naruto were luckier in that regard.

Tobirama clearly says he has seen Curse of Hatred many times. Uchiha had a history of kinslaying (just for power) and as Sage of Six Paths affirmed, Uchiha like Madara were numerous in the history. All Tobirama said was based on scientific research and objective observations.
Uchiha turned into overpowered vengeful terrorists for the trauma that other people had to go through worse. Uchiha were a ticking bomb in Shinobi world where mortality rate is already high asf. Tobirama was the only one who understood the Uchiha and tried to contain their emotions. Tobirama was far too sympathetic and gave Uchiha so many privileges that othe clans didn't have. And remember, this guy was in the middle of First Shinobi World War, he needed internal stability.
And honestly? His system was efficient or Mianto would have annulled it. No coup was planned in his time. It was the unwitting combo of Madara/Obito/Uchiha elders/Danzo that damaged an efficient system.
 
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It's not like there was any better candidate for Hirzuen. It was his bad like that his advisors were such rotten people. Hashirama and Naruto were luckier in that regard.

Tobirama clearly says he has seen Curse of Hatred many times. Uchiha had a history of kinslaying (just for power) and as Sage of Six Paths affirmed, Uchiha like Madara were numerous in the history. All Tobirama said was based on scientific research and objective observations.
Uchiha turned into overpowered vengeful terrorists for the trauma that other people had to go through worse. Uchiha were a ticking bomb in Shinobi world where mortality rate is already high asf. Tobirama was the only one who understood the Uchiha and tried to contain their emotions. Tobirama was far too sympathetic and gave Uchiha so many privileges that othe clans didn't have. And remember, this guy was in the middle of First Shinobi World War, he needed internal stability.
And honestly? His system was efficient or Mianto would have annulled it. No coup was planned in his time. It was the unwitting combo of Madara/Obito/Uchiha elders/Danzo that damaged an efficient system.
The reason he made the police force was because he didn’t trust them and he didn’t want another Madara. I highly doubt another Madara would’ve appeared if he didn’t distrust the Uchiha so much or at least not be biased. Just because you’re susceptible to nothing doesn’t mean you’re going to have it. To the people it did happen to, like Sasuke and Madara, they already had severe trauma. There were other Uchiha’s who were to loyal to the village, like Itachi and Shisui. The curse of hatred was a minority
 

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LMAO, what?! Curse of Hatred is completely real! One of the themes Naruto ran around! It was mentioned and hinted repeatedly by many characters and most Uchiha manifested it. Tobirama proved it with scientific facts and research (he witnessed it many times in his lifetime), Sage of Six Paths said it, Black Zetsu made such fools out of the Uchiha for generations, Uchiha killed wave each other for their hunger for power, every single disaster in the series was caused by an Uchiha (from world wars to terrorists acts), even Uchiha massacre was orchestrated by other Uchiha.
Uchiha are utterly f*cked in the head.

The fact at the slightest signs of injustice (Danzo's surveillance), they went for coup instead of peaceful protesting shows they have issues.
i can soloe u at this one too...but i just dont want too..
 

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The reason he made the police force was because he didn’t trust them and he didn’t want another Madara. I highly doubt another Madara would’ve appeared if he didn’t distrust the Uchiha so much or at least not be biased. Just because you’re susceptible to nothing doesn’t mean you’re going to have it. To the people it did happen to, like Sasuke and Madara, they already had severe trauma. There were other Uchiha’s who were to loyal to the village, like Itachi and Shisui. The curse of hatred was a minority
He gave them exclusive control over law enforcement, how is that not a sign of trust? And Curse of Hatred clearly affected the majority because it's Itashi, Shisui and Kagami that are treated like minorities. Tobirama said he watched out for anyone who posed a threat to village and Uchiha had more than earned it.

It's not everyone's and their moms' obligation to coddle this volatile clan despite what the Uchiha and their apologists might think. Tobirama did too much for them already.
 

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LMAO, what?! Curse of Hatred is completely real! One of the themes Naruto ran around! It was mentioned and hinted repeatedly by many characters and most Uchiha manifested it. Tobirama proved it with scientific facts and research (he witnessed it many times in his lifetime), Sage of Six Paths said it, Black Zetsu made such fools out of the Uchiha for generations, Uchiha killed wave each other for their hunger for power, every single disaster in the series was caused by an Uchiha (from world wars to terrorists acts), even Uchiha massacre was orchestrated by other Uchiha.
Uchiha are utterly f*cked in the head.

The fact at the slightest signs of injustice (Danzo's surveillance), they went for coup instead of peaceful protesting shows they have issues.
Clearly you didn't read the manga, Tobirama was antagonizing and undermining the Uchiha. He isolated them and placed them in one place so he could deal with them. He removed them from being involved in the leadership of the village. And it only got worse until it culminated with their massacre. The curse of hatred isn't a things if it was then the Uchiha would've wrecked the village a long time ago. Tobirama's explanation is rubbish, since Madara, Sarada, Sasuke, Obito awoke their eyes outside of this so called curse of hatred. That was him just trying to justify his irrational actions.

The Indra Asura rivalry is a thing, however that's special to them. That doesn't reflect on anybody, except maybe Tobirama. The latter was full of hate.
 
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Clearly you didn't read the manga, Tobirama was antagonizing and undermining the Uchiha. He isolated them and placed them in one place so he could deal with them. He removed them from being involved in the leadership of the village. And it only got worse until it culminated with their massacre. The curse of hatred isn't a things if it was then the Uchiha would've wrecked the village a long time ago. Tobirama's explanation is rubbish, since Madara, Sarada, Sasuke, Obito awoke their eyes outside of this so called curse of hatred. That was him just trying to justify his irrational actions.

The Indra Asura rivalry is a thing, however that's special to them. That doesn't reflect on anybody, except maybe Tobirama. The latter was full of hate.
Provide a source or get the f*ck out. It's you who is unfamiliar with the source material. There was no damn isolation. Only surveillance and it was Danzo's work not Tobirama's.

Uchiha were taken for fools for generations because Curse of Hatred made them such bastards. Black Zetsu makes fun of the for it. Uchiha killed their kin for power (cheater 386), Uchiha turned into vengeful terrorists for experiencing emotions (something other people went through and had to cope with). Obito's entire existence is proof of Curse of Hatred.

Tobirama understood them and helped them channel their feelings into something useful.


It's not everyone's and their moms' obligation to coddle this volatile clan. Tobirama was too generous with them already
 

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He gave them exclusive control over law enforcement, how is that not a sign of trust? And Curse of Hatred clearly affected the majority because it's Itashi, Shisui and Kagami that are treated like minorities. Tobirama said he watched out for anyone who posed a threat to village and Uchiha had more than earned it.

It's not everyone's and their moms' obligation to coddle this volatile clan despite what the Uchiha and their apologists might think. Tobirama did too much for them already.
He said it himself, it was to keep them under control while making it seem like it was a sign of trust. Tobirama was discriminative and not a good hokage, even though he created A-S jutsus.

What about Mikoto and Fugaka ? We were only introduce to like 10 Uchihas in the series, but they helped in the wars and got treated badly
 
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I don't really disagree, but I must point out Tobirama as others have.

Tactical and ideological differences can make it a tough race for 2nd place, but I wanna defend Hiruzen because he really had some tough issues to address. Hiruzen not only had a career breaker like Tsunade had with SPoP attack (in his case, Orochimaru) but he also had constant office pressures (look how easy it was for Danzo to insert a spy into the MC team, for reference) and many issues related to those (Danzo with Root, Uchiha Revolt and Orochimaru with . . Orochimaru).

So it's like he messed up because he had so many opportunities. Still, that doesn't take away from the fact that he didn't do any good either. The same threat to a fool can be an opportunity to the wiseman.
 

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He said it himself, it was to keep them under control while making it seem like it was a sign of trust. Tobirama was discriminative and not a good hokage, even though he created A-S jutsus.

What about Mikoto and Fugaka ? We were only introduce to like 10 Uchihas in the series, but they helped in the wars and got treated badly
Tobirama never said it was to keep an eye on them, that was Tobi's story who is Madara's toy. It was Danzo who put Uchiha under surveillance.

Fugaku and Mikoto doomed their clan by going to a coup, they wanted to start a blood bath. They are f*cked in the head too. They weren't mistreated, Uchiha were put under surveillance because an Uchiha attacked Konoha and killed many. The Uchiha clan, instead of negotiation and protesting, went for a coup and proved Danzo right. Uchiha are not only volatile but impulsive.
 
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