The Theory of YIN YANG. How it is used in Naruto

[warlee]

I won't do that for you. But you can go to narutopedia search their name then scroll down you will see their elemental abilities they listed yin and yang. Well goodday.

 

[iSpeak]

Are you for real? FTG is a shape transformation? Is FTG and Rasengan the same? How can you say that a form and movement of chakra was changed when using FTG?

As i've pointed in the thread, the technique depends on the mastery of the user. How many technique can a ninja create when he has fire element? Many right? many techs can be formed in a single element but the technique depends on the mastery of the user.

What's the problem if there are many that can summon? I said that anyone can have YIN YANG..If you can tell the difference between FTG and summoning then it will be a lot of help.

It doesn't have to be the same as Rasengan to be shape transformation... Rasengan is just one type of shape transformation.
Minato would have needed to change the form of FTG in order to trasport the Kyuubi and the TBB. And movement is used aswell... FTG version 2. So yes, FTG is Shape Manipulation.
So basically you are saying that everyone who summons have Yin-Yang Release, but they can't use it as well as Minato can? Come on now...
So where would you place Body Flicker technique?
FTG doesn't fit into the requirements for Yin and Yang Release, so it would have to be Shape manipulation.

 

[ajpn920]

I won't do that for you. But you can go to narutopedia search their name then scroll down you will see their elemental abilities they listed yin and yang. Well goodday.

I know you can't anyway..have a great day.

It doesn't have to be the same as Rasengan to be shape transformation... Rasengan is just one type of shape transformation.
Minato would have needed to change the form of FTG in order to trasport the Kyuubi and the TBB. And movement is used aswell... FTG version 2. So yes, FTG is Shape Manipulation.
So basically you are saying that everyone who summons have Yin-Yang Release, but they can't use it as well? Come on now...
So where would you place Body Flicker technique?
FTG doesn't fit into the requirements for Yin and Yang Release, so it would have to be Shape manipulation.

If you can look at my posts or my reply with warlee, i did explain that summonings needs contract with a specie. No contract means no summon. A contract made them summon or use space-time tech since summoning is considered to be space-time ninjutsu. By this, we can differentiate FTG and summonings.

If we can look at the elemental affinities of a character that can summon in the databook and there is no YIN YANG listed as one of his/her elements, then we can say that the contract is responsible for making them do a space-time tech(summoning). I did say in the thread than anyone has the capability of using YIN YANG since it is present in a chakra.

Do you honestly believe that all YIN YANG can do is to give life like the Sage's tech? If so, only one technique can be created by a YIN YANG affinity, right? Many techniques can be formed from an element. It depends on the mastery level of the user. The stronger the technique is, the more difficult it is to master. This is the reason why jutsu's are ranked.

I know that you would try to link Body Flicker technique with FTG because they are related to movements. Body Flicker technique is a D-rank while FTG is S-rank and we know that the highest level of shape transformation was only an A-rank. is Body Flicker and FTG the same? What made rasengan the highest level of shape transformation if FTG is higher in terms of mastery level? If body flicker does not use nature element then it is definitely a shape transformation technique.

By the way FTG bends time and space, while Body Flicker don't so they are not comparable. Can a shape transformation bends time and space?

 

[iSpeak]

If you can look at my posts or my reply with warlee, i did explain that summonings needs contract with a specie. No contract means no summon. A contract made them summon or use space-time tech since summoning is considered to be space-time ninjutsu. By this, we can differentiate FTG and summonings.
If we can look at the elemental affinities of a character that can summon in the databook and there is no YIN YANG listed as one of his/her elements, then we can say that the contract is responsible for making them do a space-time tech(summoning). I did say in the thread than anyone has the capability of using YIN YANG since it is present in a chakra.

Obviously the contract isn't the reason behind the space time jutsu. How wold you explain Edo Tensei? How would you explain Ten tens technique where she can summon weapons? How can you explain Mabui's Heavenly Trasnfer Technique? They don't use contracts. And no, not everyone is capable of using Yin-Yang Release or else everyone would have Yin-Yang listed under them. Like I said before, Yin Release is based on the Spiritual energy that governs imagination and Yang release is based on the Physical energy that governs vitality. Yin/Yang used to mould Ninjutsu is Spiritual/Physical energy on a whole. Not the same as Yin/Yang Release.

Do you honestly believe that all YIN YANG can do is to give life like the Sage's tech? If so, only one technique can be created by a YIN YANG affinity, right? Many techniques can be formed from an element. It depends on the mastery level of the user. The stronger the technique is, the more difficult it is to master. This is the reason why jutsu's are ranked.

I never said the only Yin-Yang Jutsu is the one the Sage used...

I know that you would try to link Body Flicker technique with FTG because they are related to movements. Body Flicker technique is a D-rank while FTG is S-rank and we know that the highest level of shape transformation was only an A-rank. is Body Flicker and FTG the same? What made rasengan the highest level of shape transformation if FTG is higher in terms of mastery level? If body flicker does not use nature element then it is definitely a shape transformation technique.

By the way FTG bends time and space, while Body Flicker don't so they are not comparable. Can a shape transformation bends time and space?

I am asking you where would you place body flicker? Nature or Shape Transformation? I have already explained why FTG is Shape Transformation, it ticks all of the boxes. You just say "FTG cant be shape transformation" without a reason.
So you say Body flicker is shape transformation because it is obviously not a nature type... that is exactly the same as FTG. Well tell me, what makes Body Flicker a shape transformation technique then?
And you interpreted the "highest level of shape transformation" in the wrong way. It is the highest level of shape transformation because you are transforming pure chakra. It doesn't mean no shape transformation technique can be higher than A rank.
It doesn't matter if FTG bends time and space... it is still Shape Manipulation...

 

[ajpn920]

Obviously the contract isn't the reason behind the space time jutsu. How wold you explain Edo Tensei? How would you explain Ten tens technique where she can summon weapons? How can you explain Mabui's Heavenly Trasnfer Technique? They don't use contracts. And no, not everyone is capable of using Yin-Yang Release or else everyone would have Yin-Yang listed under them. Like I said before, Yin Release is based on the Spiritual energy that governs imagination and Yang release is based on the Physical energy that governs vitality. Yin/Yang used to mould Ninjutsu is Spiritual/Physical energy on a whole. Not the same as Yin/Yang Release.



I never said the only Yin-Yang Jutsu is the one the Sage used...



I am asking you where would you place body flicker? Nature or Shape Transformation? I have already explained why FTG is Shape Transformation, it ticks all of the boxes. You just say "FTG cant be shape transformation" without a reason.
So you say Body flicker is shape transformation because it is obviously not a nature type... that is exactly the same as FTG. Well tell me, what makes Body Flicker a shape transformation technique then?
And you interpreted the "highest level of shape transformation" in the wrong way. It is the highest level of shape transformation because you are transforming pure chakra. It doesn't mean no shape transformation technique can be higher than A rank.
It doesn't matter if FTG bends time and space... it is still Shape Manipulation...

And no, not everyone is capable of using Yin-Yang Release or else everyone would have Yin-Yang listed under them.

I completely agree with this that's why I said it in the last part of the thread that YIN YANG might be the hardest element to master.

How wold you explain Edo Tensei? How would you explain Ten tens technique where she can summonweapons? How can you explain Mabui's Heavenly Trasnfer Technique? They don't use contracts.

At bolded part..tenten's tech is labelled as a summoning so it has to do with some scroll. Can tenten summon tools from nothing? My take on Edo Tensei why it is considered as a space time because the user can summon edo's whereever he is. To summon means to call.

Mabui's Heavenly Trasnfer Technique- correct me if I'm wrong but it was not labelled as a space-time ninjutsu. I don't have teh time to analyze this tech.

YIN release + Yang release= NINJUTSU

Imagination + spiritual energy= YIN release

Vitality + physcial energy= Yang release

Body Flicker uses onlychakra. No element is involved, thus making it a shape transformation..It's my opinion though...

Anyway, it's my opinion that FTG is YIN YANG related. You have your opinion being a shape transformation.

One more thing, since the purpose of the Sage was to give life to a form, then vitality was added to his physical energy. The formula I've created was based on the Sage's jutsu so it is possible that by applying the same concept, like adding something to a physical energy, a user can produce another jutsu.

time to sleep...gdnyt

 

[iSpeak]

YIN release + Yang release= NINJUTSU

Imagination + spiritual energy= YIN release

Vitality + physcial energy= Yang release

Yin + Yang = Chakra

Yin = Spiritual Energy on a whole

Yang = Physical Energy on a whole

Yin Release = Spiritual Enegery governed by imagination

Yang Release = Physical Energy governed by Vitality

Yin-Yang Release = Yin Release + Yang Release

I completely agree with this that's why I said it in the last part of the thread that YIN YANG might be the hardest element to master.

At bolded part..tenten's tech is labelled as a summoning so it has to do with some scroll. Can tenten summon tools from nothing? My take on Edo Tensei why it is considered as a space time because the user can summon edo's whereever he is. To summon means to call.

Mabui's Heavenly Trasnfer Technique- correct me if I'm wrong but it was not labelled as a space-time ninjutsu. I don't have teh time to analyze this tech.

Body Flicker uses onlychakra. No element is involved, thus making it a shape transformation..It's my opinion though...

Anyway, it's my opinion that FTG is YIN YANG related. You have your opinion being a shape transformation.

One more thing, since the purpose of the Sage was to give life to a form, then vitality was added to his physical energy. The formula I've created was based on the Sage's jutsu so it is possible that by applying the same concept, like adding something to a physical energy, a user can produce another jutsu.

time to sleep...gdnyt

Mabuis technique has to be space time, since it transports objects. Objects which cannot move by itself. And Naruto was able to summon Gamabunta before he had made a contract with him.

You can't just say it is Shape transformation because it doesn't have an element involved, you have to explain how it is Shape Manipulation. I explained why FTG is Shape Manipulation. I understand it is you opinion though so you don't have to agree.

Ok, gdnight

 

[ajpn920]

Yin + Yang = Chakra

Yin = Spiritual Energy on a whole

Yang = Physical Energy on a whole

Yin Release = Spiritual Enegery governed by imagination

Yang Release = Physical Energy governed by Vitality

Yin-Yang Release = Yin Release + Yang Release



Mabuis technique has to be space time, since it transports objects. Objects which cannot move by itself. And Naruto was able to summon Gamabunta before he had made a contract with him.

You can't just say it is Shape transformation because it doesn't have an element involved, you have to explain how it is Shape Manipulation. I explained why FTG is Shape Manipulation. I understand it is you opinion though so you don't have to agree.

Ok, gdnight

You are contradicting your own statements. You said in your last post that "not everyone is capable of using Yin-Yang Release or else everyone would have Yin-Yang listed under them." Now you're telling me that

Yin + Yang = Chakra

? Do you realize that if YIN + YANG= chakra then all shinobi's have YIN YANG? it seems that you are not focused or it could be that you're just trying to make way to find an argument.

If we are using chinese philosophy then YIN + YANG= LIFE. This is their view on how life is made of. We are talking about NAruto and YIn YANG here is used as an ELEMENT! Here is my proof and don't neglect this one.

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Chakra = Physical energy + spiritual energy! If you can give me proof that Chakra= YIN + YANG then it would help a lot but I doubt you can find one. Again, we are not using Chinese Philosophy about YIN YANG.

And Naruto was able to summon Gamabunta before he had made a contract with him.

What? It looks like you are making your own story. I bet you can't prove that. Here is the scan to refresh your memory

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[iSpeak]

You are contradicting your own statements. You said in your last post that "not everyone is capable of using Yin-Yang Release or else everyone would have Yin-Yang listed under them." Now you're telling me that ? Do you realize that if YIN + YANG= chakra then all shinobi's have YIN YANG? it seems that you are not focused or it could be that you're just trying to make way to find an argument.

If we are using chinese philosophy then YIN + YANG= LIFE. This is their view on how life is made of. We are talking about NAruto and YIn YANG here is used as an ELEMENT! Here is my proof and don't neglect this one.

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Chakra = Physical energy + spiritual energy! If you can give me proof that Chakra= YIN + YANG then it would help a lot but I doubt you can find one. Again, we are not using Chinese Philosophy about YIN YANG.

"Yin relates to one's spiritual energy and Yang relates to one's physical energy and it's necessary to utilise both of these in order to mould chakra for ninjutsu".

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But that is basically what I was trying to say. I call Spritual energy Yin and Physical energy Yang, but I guess you don't have to (even though you said yourself Yin and Yang was used to form Chakra). I was just telling you not to get the two mixed up with Yin Release and Yang Release.
Basically, everyone has spiritual and physical energy but not everyone is able to use the spiritual energy that governs the imagination or the physical energy that governs vitality.
And I was never talking about chinese philosophy, so I don't know why that as brought up.

What? It looks like you are making your own story. I bet you can't prove that. Here is the scan to refresh your memory

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This bit, yeh I got a bit mixed up, my bad. I meant Jiraiya teleported himself to mount myoboku when he didn't have a contract (I am pretty sure), so the contract isn't what allows the teleportation to happen.
and it still doesn't explain the other Jutsu's such as Mabui's tech and Edo Tensei etc.

 

[ajpn920]

"Yin relates to one's spiritual energy and Yang relates to one's physical energy and it's necessary to utilise both of these in order to mould chakra for ninjutsu".

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But that is basically what I was trying to say. I call Spritual energy Yin and Physical energy Yang, I was telling you not to get the two mixed up with Yin Release and Yang Release.
Basically, everyone has spiritual and physical energy but not everyone is able to use the spiritual energy that governs the imagination or the physical energy that governs vitality.
I was never talking about chinese philosophy, so I don't know why that as brought up.



This bit, yeh I got a bit mixed up. My bad. I meant Jiraiya teleported himself to mount myoboku when he didn't have a contract (I am pretty sure), so the contract isn't what allows the teleportation to happen.
and it still doesn't explain the other Jutsu's such as Mabui's tech and Edo Tensei etc.

I think Narutopedia mixes things up but not in general. The scan is the actual evidence of YIN YANG used as an element.

I brought up chinese philosophy because they have the same theory as you. You believe that Chakra is made up of YIN YANG. In naruto YIN YANG is used as an element and not as a component of Chakra.

By the way, YIN release or YANG release are referred to as elemental nature transformation techniques. Like fire element, techs are called fire release. For water, water release and so on.

YIN YANG is the element. YIN release and YANG release is the elemental nature transformation technique.

 

[iSpeak]

I think Narutopedia mixes things up but not in general. The scan is the actual evidence of YIN YANG used as an element.

I brought up chinese philosophy because they have the same theory as you. You believe that Chakra is made up of YIN YANG. In naruto YIN YANG is used as an element and not as a component of Chakra.

By the way, YIN release or YANG release are referred to as elemental nature transformation techniques. Like fire element, techs are called fire release. For water, water release and so on.

YIN YANG is the element. YIN release and YANG release is the elemental nature transformation technique.

But what they said was right though, they just referred to Yin as spiritual energy and Yang as physical energy. They are both needed in order to from chakra for ninjutsu. So everyone has Spiritual energy and physical energy (or Yin and Yang as they call it), but not every is able to use it with imagination and vitality (Ying release and Yang release). Do you understand what I am saying?

It says on Naruto wiki that Yin Release and Yang Release are non-elemental.
The reason it isn't connected to the rest of the elements is because it doesn't follow the same laws as the rest. Imagination and Vitality aint an element.

 

[ajpn920]

But what they said was right though, they just referred to Yin as spiritual energy and Yang as physical energy. They are both needed in order to from chakra for ninjutsu. So everyone has Spiritual energy and physical energy (or Yin and Yang as they call it), but not every is able to use it with imagination and vitality (Ying release and Yang release). Do you understand what I am saying?

It says on Naruto wiki that Yin Release and Yang Release are non-elemental.
The reason it isn't connected to the rest of the elements is because it doesn't follow the same laws as the rest. Imagination and Vitality aint an element.

but not every is able to use it with imagination and vitality (Ying release and Yang release). Do you understand what I am saying?

Right and wrong at the same time. Right in a way that Imagination and Vitality is not an element. Wrong for the reason that you call them Yin release and Yang release. Imagination and spiritual energy were used to form the basis of YIN release and vitality & physical energy were used to form the basis of YANG release. Moulding them together, the sage was able to create a ninjutsu that gives life to a form from his imagination. Everyone is capable but it doesn't mean that they can actually do it. Most shinobi's can use 2 or 3 element at most and I find YIN YANG the hardest element to master.

It says on Naruto wiki that Yin Release and Yang Release are non-elemental

YIN YANG is the source of non element jutsu's but not all. YIN YANG is categorized as the 6th type of nature transformation thus making it the 6th element as it was created by the use of nature transformation.

So everyone has Spiritual energy and physical energy (or Yin and Yang as they call it)

Everyone has Spiritual energy and physical energy. These energies are moulded together to form chakra. Spiritual energy and physical energy were not defined being YIN YANG, so Chakra =/ YIN + YANG.

YIN YANG is used as an element here in Naruto and not a component that form Chakra.

 

[iSpeak]

Right and wrong at the same time. Right in a way that Imagination and Vitality is not an element. Wrong for the reason that you call them Yin release and Yang release. Imagination and spiritual energy were used to form the basis of YIN release and vitality & physical energy were used to form the basis of YANG release. Moulding them together, the sage was able to create a ninjutsu that gives life to a form from his imagination. Everyone is capable but it doesn't mean that they can actually do it. Most shinobi's can use 2 or 3 element at most and I find YIN YANG the hardest element to master.

What the sage did was Yin-Yang release... are you talking about the creation of all things? I aint talking about that. I am talking about moulding chakra... what every ninja needs to do to be able to use ninjutsu. It even says in naruto wiki that chakra is made through spiritual and physical energy.

YIN YANG is the source of non element jutsu's but not all. YIN YANG is categorized as the 6th type of nature transformation thus making it the 6th element as it was created by the use of nature transformation.

Everyone has Spiritual energy and physical energy. These energies are moulded together to form chakra. Spiritual energy and physical energy were not defined being YIN YANG, so Chakra =/ YIN + YANG.

YIN YANG is used as an element here in Naruto and not a component that form Chakra.

It is used for a component that forms chakra... Minato sealed the Yin half of the Kyuubi's CHAKRA inside the death god, and the Yang half inside Naruto. You know all of the Bijuu are just living chakra right?

 

[ajpn920]

What the sage did was Yin-Yang release... are you talking about the creation of all things? I aint talking about that. I am talking about moulding chakra... what every ninja needs to do to be able to use ninjutsu. It even says in naruto wiki that chakra is made through spiritual and physical energy.






It is used for a component that forms chakra... Minato sealed the Yin half of the Kyuubi's CHAKRA inside the death god, and the Yang half inside Naruto. You know all of the Bijuu are just living chakra right?

It even says in naruto wiki that chakra is made through spiritual and physical energy.

That is absolutely right but it was not mentioned that spiritual and physical energy are YIN YANG.

Minato sealed the Yin half of the Kyuubi's

I can't find it in the manga about sealing the YIN portion. It was mentioned there that Minato sealed half of Kurama's power. I believe that narutopedia is wrong about that because Naruto was able to create TBB from the fox chakra by mixing kuramas positive and negative chakra with a ratio of 8:2.

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By the way, I can't consider a tailed beast chakra to be the same as human's because I don't believe that the Tailed Beasts have spiritual energy(i.e soul ). They are purely made of chakra. Bee describing it as positive and negative chakra not physical and spiritual.

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[iSpeak]

That is absolutely right but it was not mentioned that spiritual and physical energy are YIN YANG.



I can't find it in the manga about sealing the YIN portion. It was mentioned there that Minato sealed half of Kurama's power. I believe that narutopedia is wrong about that because Naruto was able to create TBB from the fox chakra by mixing kuramas positive and negative chakra with a ratio of 8:2.

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By the way, I can't consider a tailed beast chakra to be the same as human's because I don't believe that the Tailed Beasts have spiritual energy(i.e soul ). They are purely made of chakra. Bee describing it as positive and negative chakra not physical and spiritual.

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Well, calling Spiritual power Yin and Physical power Yang just seems much easier and many other people use it.
Take a look at the picture of Naruto, it says naruto's 9 tails mode, which uses Yang chakra.

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It is the same cloak which the younger brother of the Sage had, who inherited the body and physical energy (Yang) of the sage.
What I said still stands though. This is what I have been trying to tell you ever since yo made the previous thread.