The Sword Met Its Creator

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The tailed beast realized that Naruto is the successor(younger son) of the SO6P. Remember that before the younger son was able to follow in his fathers footsteps the older son attacked him because he felt betrayed. This led to the cycle of hatred between the senju and the uchia. But now that cycle is finally coming to an end and those chosen one "Naruto" will take on the task that he was meant to. He isn't the reincarnation of the SO6P. Hes the reincarnation of the younger son of the SO6P. Just like Hashirama was. Madara knew this about Hashirama that is why he wanted Hashirama's powers so bad to combine them with his own to achieve the Rinnegan. Its because Hashirama and Naruto inherited the younger sons "body" as Madara and Sasuke inherited the older sons eyes.

Naruto is not a Senju, nor does he truly represent the Younger Son, for the Younger Son lacks one thing that Naruto and Rikudou has: Friendship with the Bijuus.

Naruto is, and was always meant to be, Rikudou Sennin Reincarnate.

 

[Zato]

Naruto is not a Senju, nor does he truly represent the Younger Son, for the Younger Son lacks one thing that Naruto and Rikudou has: Friendship with the Bijuus.

Naruto is a Senju because the Uzumaki ARE Senju. They are just a branch of the Senju clan. Madara already stated this when he gave his eyes to Nagato. He stated that the Uzumaki were Senju which is exactly why Nagato could use the Rinnegan. The younger son was suppose to guide the tailed beast. This is what Naruto is doing.

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Naruto is a Senju because the Uzumaki ARE Senju. They are just a branch of the Senju clan. Madara already stated this when he gave his eyes to Nagato. He stated that the Uzumaki were Senju which is exactly why Nagato could use the Rinnegan. The younger sound was suppose to guide the tailed beast. This is what Naruto is doing.

Incorrect, the Uzumakis are not branch of the Senjus, they are distant relatives with them:

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And no two clans with the same apical ancestor can be distant relatives, they would be close relatives if that was the case, and it was specified that the Younger Son's descendants were the Senjus only:

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I would also like to point out the misconception on Zetsu's statement in 606:

There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:

Sorry Sasuke2, but you're wrong. Try to read original Japanese manga Naruto especially if your theory is based on one word. Here:

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Here we have chapter you mentioned (Chapter 606):

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Now carefully look at Zetsu's words. Ser Derp Obito is right about this chapter. Zetsu used word 血縁 written in hiragana like this けつえん. And this word has only two meanings:
1) blood relative or relationship
2) consanguinity

 

[Zato]

I would also like to point out the misconception on Zetsu's statement in 606:

There is a great misconception in Zetsu's statement in chapter 606 saying that Nagato is a descendant of the Senjus because he is of Senju Lineage:

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It is not Zetsu's statement that is erroneous but the interpretation of others, if we take the translation of lineage based on the context of Zetsu's statement in conjunction with Kushina's statement in a previous chapter, the most accurate meaning of lineage, based on context, is the anthropological definition of the word: Kinship/Consanguinity:

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Kushina said the Uzumakis and Senjus were distant relatives, the true intended meaning of the word "lineage" based on the context of Zetsu's statement was : Consanguine of being related by blood, not Nagato descending from the Senjus : Nagato is a blood relative (lineage) of the Senju.

If the Senjus and Uzumakis descended from the same ancestor (Younger Son) then they will be close/immediate relatives, not distant relatives like Kushina said, which would contradict her statement and Manga canon, so it's logical to assume that the present day Uzumakis are "cousins" to both Senju and Uchiha since they did not descend from Rikudou himself but from Rikudou's relatives.

Also the original Japanese text of Zetsu in 606 is this:

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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant.

Anyone who can read Japanese will tell you that Zetsu's statement only meant blood relations but not pertaining to descent:

Here is another pic with Obito stating that Naruto is a Senju. The Uzumaki are Senju's. They are just a different branch of Senju's. Because they are relatives of the Senju clan. It's been stated over and over in the manga.

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[GhostProject]

Maybe the Sage wanted to be successful this time, so he reincarnated himself as a Younger Son so that he could surpass himself. Get it done right this time =D

Either way though, I too wonder what this means for his relationship with Sasuke and whether we will still see a final fight between them.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Here is another pic with Obito stating that Naruto is a Senju. The Uzumaki are Senju's. They are just a different branch of Senju's. Because they are relatives of the Senju clan. It's been stated over and over in the manga.

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And yet the Senjus and Uchihas were a rivalry of equal footing, but Tobi contradicted this statement when he said this:

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And this is what he truly thought of Naruto

A pawn meant to stimulate Sasuke, he was simply lying in that Page you showed. The same way he was lying back then that he was truly Madara.

Naruto is not a Senju, the Uzumakis are not Senjus.

 

[Zato]

And yet the Senjus and Uchihas were a rivalry of equal footing, but Tobi contradicted this statement when he said this:

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And this is what he truly thought of Naruto

A pawn meant to stimulate Sasuke, he was simply lying in that Page you showed.

Naruto is not a Senju, the Uzumakis are not Senjus.

Lol that is your counter argument? Just stop there dude. Naruto is a Senju. There is a reason why Madara = Hashirama and Sasuke = Naruto. There is a reason why Naruto and Sasuke during the PTS fought at the same place Madara and Hashirama had their great battle. There is a reason why Naruto keeps being compared to Hashirama. I mean this is just common sense here... Your going by names but bloodlines are what really matter here. Uzumaki is just a name but they were originally apart of the Senju clan as it is stated by the Uzumaki being a BRANCH of the Senju clan. When a branch falls off of a tree where does that branch belong? TO THAT TREE! Because that BRANCH was ORIGINALLY apart of that TREE. Which the manga STATES that Uzuamaki's are a BRANCH of the Senju clan. This makes the Uzuamaki Senju's.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Lol that is your counter argument? Just stop there dude. Naruto is a Senju. There is a reason why Madara = Hashirama and Sasuke = Naruto. There is a reason why Naruto and Sasuke during the PTS fought at the same place Madara and Hashirama had their great battle. There is a reason why Naruto keeps being compared to Hashirama. I mean this is just common sense here...

Incorrect, Naruto is Rikudou Sennin, the dichotomy of Elder and Younger Sons are represented by Hashirama and Madara only, Naruto is the Child of Prophecy, if you think Naruto is not Rikudou Sennin at this point and merely the Younger Son's Successor then you are seriously mistaken.

 

[Xāvî1]

I very much agreeeeeeeeee

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Lol that is your counter argument? Just stop there dude. Naruto is a Senju. There is a reason why Madara = Hashirama and Sasuke = Naruto. There is a reason why Naruto and Sasuke during the PTS fought at the same place Madara and Hashirama had their great battle. There is a reason why Naruto keeps being compared to Hashirama. I mean this is just common sense here... Your going by names but bloodlines are what really matter here. Uzumaki is just a name but they were originally apart of the Senju clan as it is stated by the Uzumaki being a BRANCH of the Senju clan.

Difference is that Naruto has never beaten Sasuke in a fight. Also, Naruto is not a Senju. Naruto is a part of the Senju clan because he's an Uzumaki. Still that doesn't give you the right to say such nonsense about Naruto being Senju. Where's the Wood Style, etc...? Naruto has no background to Senjus. I hope that you're not saying that Naruto is a full Senju because of what Obito told Naruto in the Land of Iron.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Uzumaki is just a name but they were originally apart of the Senju clan as it is stated by the Uzumaki being a BRANCH of the Senju clan.

I've already showed you that they are not a branch of the Senju Clan, how can you be a branch of a clan or a sibling clan of another clan and be a distant relative to them at the same time? show me a panel where it specifically says that the Uzumakis are descendants of the Senjus or the Younger Son, because I've already shown you that the Younger Son's descendants were the Senjus only:

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And please don't use Zetsu's statement in 606 again because like I've shown you it only pertains to blood relations not descent.

If you insist that the Uzumakis came from the Younger Son then you are simply contradicting the Manga, so it's best that you do not wander off into contradictory and baseless conjectures.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

I've already showed you that they are not a branch of the Senju Clan, how can you be a branch of a clan or a sibling clan of another clan and be a distant relative to them at the same time? show me a panel where it specifically says that the Uzumakis are descendants of the Senjus or the Younger Son, because I've already shown you that the Younger Son's descendants were the Senjus only:

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And please don't use Zetsu's statement in 606 again because like I've shown you it only pertains to blood relations not descent.

If you insist that the Uzumakis came from the Younger Son then you are simply contradicting the Manga, so it's best that you do not wander off into contradictory and baseless conjectures.

You want to argue, too? Just saying.

 

[Zato]

I've already showed you that they are not a branch of the Senju Clan, how can you be a branch of a clan or a sibling clan of another clan and be a distant relative to them at the same time? show me a panel where it specifically says that the Uzumakis are descendants of the Senjus or the Younger Son, because I've already shown you that the Younger Son's descendants were the Senjus only:

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And please don't use Zetsu's statement in 606 again because like I've shown you it only pertains to blood relations not descent.

If you insist that the Uzumakis came from the Younger Son then you are simply contradicting the Manga, so it's best that you do not wander off into contradictory and baseless conjectures.

Are you serious? I will find the panel but let me correct you here. If the Senju and Uzuamaki's are directly related what does that tell you? The SO6P only had TWO sons. What does that mean? We know for a fact that the Uchia and Senju are directly related. But the Uzumaki's are directly related to the SENJU. Which means they are a BRANCH of the Senju clan. The Senju and Uzuamaki used to be ONE clan. But the "Uzumaki" BRANCH split off from the Senju's. The Uzuamaki ARE Senju's but you think just because they have the name "Uzumaki" that they are something different. I mean this is common sense here.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You want to argue, too? Just saying.

Not really, it's 2am where I am, I must retire to bed soon.

Are you serious? I will find the panel but let me correct you here. If the Senju and Uzuamaki's are directly related what does that tell you? The SO6P only had TWO sons. What does that mean? We know for a fact that the Uchia and Senju are directly related. But the Uzumaki's are directly related to the SENJU. Which means they are a BRANCH of the Senju clan. The Senju and Uzuamaki used to be ONE clan. But the "Uzumaki" BRANCH split off from the Senju's. The Uzuamaki ARE Senju's but you think just because they have the name "Uzumaki" that they are something different. I mean this is common sense here.

Incorrect again, like I said two clans coming from the same apical ancestor are close blood relatives not distant, your argument is running in circles, it's called Petitio Principii in Logic. Distant blood relations means the Uzumakis are a cousin clan, not a descendant clan. It's basic Genealogy.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Are you serious? I will find the panel but let me correct you here. If the Senju and Uzuamaki's are directly related what does that tell you? The SO6P only had TWO sons. What does that mean? We know for a fact that the Uchia and Senju are directly related. But the Uzumaki's are directly related to the SENJU. Which means they are a BRANCH of the Senju clan. The Senju and Uzuamaki used to be ONE clan. But the "Uzumaki" BRANCH split off from the Senju's. The Uzuamaki ARE Senju's but you think just because they have the name "Uzumaki" that they are something different. I mean this is common sense here.

You're so wrong. It pisses me off!

 

[Zato]

You're so wrong. It pisses me off!

I am wrong but you said something completely stupid. Here let me remind you. "Still that doesn't give you the right to say such nonsense about Naruto being Senju. Where's the Wood Style, etc...?"

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

I am wrong but you said something completely stupid. Here let me remind you. "Still that doesn't give you the right to say such nonsense about Naruto being Senju. Where's the Wood Style, etc...?"

Where did you become the author to state that Naruto is related to the Senju Clan? I'm waiting.

 

[GhostProject]

Naruto is both roles. He has obligations to the story to fulfill dealing with Sasuke's hatred, but it also has been foreshadowed that he is the second coming of Rikudou. I think Naruto's story is him as the Younger Son, developing and growing into the Sage, something that didn't happen previously.

Naruto doesn't really fill either role perfectly, but I guarantee we'll see two things:
Him dealing with Sasuke's Hatred (Younger Son) and him becoming the 2nd true SO6P (Rikudou).
His story is about growth, and the way I see it, he's going to complete both roles by the end of this.

 

[Zato]

Not really, it's 2am where I am, I must retire to bed soon.



Incorrect again, like I said two clans coming from the same apical ancestor are close blood relatives not distant, your argument is running in circles, it's called Petitio Principii in Logic. Distant blood relations means the Uzumakis are a cousin clan, not a descendant clan.

If the Senju are the tree and the Uzumaki grew from that tree and broke off what does that mean dude. Just admit it already. Your not stupid and you know exactly what I am talking about. Its not hard to admit it but they are the same clan. They just split apart somewhere down the line but still held their relations with each other. There is a reason why the Senju and Uzumaki KNEW they were related because they used to be one clan. Its for the same reason that they didn't know the Uchia was related to them as well. I mean this is really basic common sense. Anyway, I just shown you a panel where Obito clearly tells Naruto that he is a Senju even though he knows he is a Uzumaki. Your response is that Obito lied to Naruto... As if he had some grand plan to trick Naruto into thinking he was a Senju... The only thing he lied about there was being Madara.