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Read the fight and you will see that Stark is constantly under pressure from Shunsui.. If Stark was keeping his defense up real good why would he fall for the distraction? Shunsuis fighting style is deceptive and part of his abilities if you cant accept that then you cant see Shunsuis prowess.



Shunsuis fighting style is way too dangerous for Zaraki because of the fact that Zaraki doesnt think about his opponents ability while Shunsui is always analyzing and looking for weak spots. Yes Unohana was the best swordfighter but that obviously doesnt mean anything because of the fact that she was beaten by a fighter who fights without any sort of style that just makes me look at her in a weaker light... He left Unohana a lot of openings and she took advantage of them and by the end of the fight when she had given him all of his powers she had basically left herself for dead and didnt fight back



No he is not and the quincy is still a large threat which is why the Shinigami are preparing for the next war...The quincy are stronger than the captains which is why most of the captains were defeated without the quincy even using their vollstandig (Except Shunsui.. OMQ was the only Sternritter that had to use Vollstandig against a captain using shikai) The quincy are right now definitely stronger than most of the captains. That one cut wasnt nothing look at the blood pouring out of his stomach and Shunsui was definitely the one with the power at that moment. Shunsui obviously didnt need shikai at the time because he was overpowering the OMQ.

Thoes cero won't make it man an that's simple facts soi fon missile made a huge explosion at close range an the fact he aged it in time was ridiculous.
He did get hit though half his face was blown up. And the explosion only lasts for like a second... Starks cero mettrallata will keep coming at Barragan till he gets hit and at a large number at a fast pace.. This is why Barragan will get hit.




Shunsui only says his power is important to increase because they need all the firepower they need, but Zaraki is not gonna be the game changer in this war Ichigo is Zaraki will just be good power. Ichigos power is too great.



Yes and Shunsui was the one that ordered Unohana too train Zaraki she wouldnt have done it if Shunsui hadnt told her too. And she also needed his permission. He didnt say that they would definitely get run over again but he did say that his power is important and without a doubt the rest of the other captains will be increasing their strength to fight against the quincies. And Zarakis opponent will definitely not be Juha he will fight Ichigo and Ichigo will win, and how do you know who everyone is gonna fight? Zaraki might just fight fodder lol.. And Yama feared his Zarakis reckless nature and because of the fact that he could turn against SS which is why he stopped training him... Zarakis power is also dangerous but it is his state of mind and Yama didnt fear Zaraki lol where did you get that? He just feared for SS safety not of his actual power because Yama would destroy Zaraki in shikai haha..... And Shunsui could do a lot because he could withstand a fight against Yama when Yama was trying to kill him while with a very ill Ukitake and cant fight to his full capabilities.



Lol Zarai cant beat an opponent who has brain and power... When Unohana said he doesnt leave any openings it is when he doesnt give her the chance to use her hidden blades which is used to weaken the opponent lol he does leave openings just not enough to use extra techniques haha




I dont put Shinji over Shunsui because he may have a has shikai but whoever enters Shunsuis domain is under his zans influence... And im sure that Shunsui knows Shinjis shikai which lets off a scent which whoever smells it will have their senses inverted and will counter it by not smelling it. Plus once Shunsui knows the ability we have seen enough skill in his sword technique to counter it. Shunsuis shikai is so unique and dangerous that it is amazing and the skill in which he uses it is interesting to see.


I dont think Ukitake would lol he would against an adult but not against a kid. Yama wouldnt even fight against Wonderweiss while he was in his child form.

Don't matter in a fight to the death ur not supposed to give someone a chance to win no hints no nothing..most of thoes distractions came from other people being around other two are from his hat an cape.
Yes but the fact that he gave the hints also tells of Shunsuis power because of the fact that he told Stark while Stark didnt want to know means that Shunsui knows he has a good chance of winning the fight. He also said no matter how strong Stark becomes he wont use bankai... It must be lethal if he is that against using it.


Using other people and creating distractions.... What is wrong with that he just took advantage of it because of the fact that he is an oppurtunist.



He will because he is Ichigos rival and friend he will power up everytime Ichigo gets a powerup unless Ichigo goes transcendant again then Renji will be left in the dust as will all the other Shinigami.



And Kyoraku was greatly wounded by that point blank cero and maximum damage iro oni attack which looked like a deep wound. They were both evenly damaged but Kyoraku took him out still because he is a superior swordfighter... Power level they were even but Shunsui was the better CQC fighter while Stark was the better Long range fighter.

But Shunsui know his shikai a lot better than Stark which is the difference and why Shunsui still would have won even if he didnt use the cloak.



Exactly and with his new power up there may be no one except SS to fight against because SS is full of strong fighters which is why he may revolt... That is why he feared Zaraki not getting stronger.

Yes Shunsuis rules are against him as well but he has used that Shikai all his life.. He knows how to use it a lot better than Zaraki because of the fact that it is part of him, Shunsui will use all of his abilities and take out Zaraki by coming at all angles which is why it is so dangerous. Shunsui also control which games to play not Zaraki Shunsui could say Iro oni but then switch to Taka oni and catch Zaraki off guard. Who knows maybe he can combine games to enhance damage by saying taka oni then iro oni and slash a colour and take him out in one huge hit.

Youre are over estimating Zarakis power by a long mile while he is strong I still do not think he is up to Shunsuis skill level in fighting even after seeing you say all this stuff which is very easy to retort to because you look at things so one dimensionally.
So I reread the fight an no stark was not really under pressure it did not even last that long when kyoraku came back where in the fight was stark being pressured?..kyoraku cut him then he cut kyoraku the kyoraku threw the cape and it was over I said in the straight up sword fight kyoraku was barely hitting him stark was keeping up on the defense but then the cape came an he just feel for it.

Zaraki don't think of his opponents ability? When fighting noritora he was trying to think of a way to get rid of his arms so he played dead an tries to attack from behind...also had to think his way out of tosen fight he will think if he needs to..zaraki don't fight with no style the old him must did if he beat unohana right?..an yea the weak zaraki left her with openings the old him never did an that's the way he is now..left her self for dead did not fight bac? Does it matter she was never a match for the real him in the first place she was fighting back but list cuz he got to powerful.

Quincy are not stronger,most captains got there bankia took remember? The captains who did not get there bankai used on them barely took any damage besides kenpachi cuz the one he fought was on another level from the rest ..that blood gushing out the Quincy seem like it was nothing to him if you go reread he won't in no real harm.an yea shunsui needed shikai he hit shunsui once an shunsui hit him once so how was shunsui overpowering omq?..an yea he's a joke to zaraki at the moment.

I kno it took out almost half bargain face but still he aged it an that explosion is very quick an very destructive stark cero are not that destructive barrgan will just keep aging stark cero the only way stark wins is if barrgan runs out if energy first.

Yea zaraki power is so important he gave up his best healer an the first kenpachi who was also very strong an had been captain for over a 1000 years that tells me getting zaraki power was super important..zaraki will be a game changer that's why he was one of there war potentials now they will final see the real him.

She had to train him ether train him or risk ss getting destroyed once again she could have just said no but that would be stupid of her..and naw after seeing what happen the first time they would with out a dout get ran over by juha alone..of corse zaraki opponent gone be strong he not gone fight no fodder if he does then he will win easy.central 46 member said if zaraki gets any stronger he will be unstoppable an Yama stoped training him for that very fear that's where I got it from...an Ike I said befor Yama was not really trying to kill him an plus he had help without ukitake he was dead meat from the jump.

An no he left her no openings she said she was no match for him it showed her tired an beatin up an him still happy with out a scratch on him..zaraki can't beat a person with brain power yea say that when you actually see him fight a person with brain power.

Lol how the hell you gone not smell it lol you sound so stupid it's ridiculous an like shinji said there is no way to counter his shikai yea you have to play be kyoraku rules but shinji shikai is also still in affect..shinji said ur brain can't keep up everything is backwards for the opponent the only way to beat shinji shikai is to have a sword like aizen or a kido type blade that is very powerful that can just over power shinji from all angles...kyoraku sword ability won't matter every thing is backwards for the opponent at all times so no matter where kyoraku swings he will miss cuz shinji will always be in the opposite direction.

Yama would fight wonderwiess in kid form Yama said um happy ur not in ur kid form so I won't fill wrong about striking you down meaning he would strike wonderweiss no matter what..an yea ukitake not gone let his best fried get a hole put in him an not attack the one who did it.

Naw kyoraku told meaning he wanted to give stark a chance meaning he not that devious as you think he is..um what? He was going to use bankai but ukitake stopped him..an I'm saying if he fought zaraki one on one there would be no other people around to distract kenpachi just leaving kyoraku with his cape an hat to use for distractions.

Ichigo does not have a rival period..yea ichigo will have to just out shine everybody once again.

He hit kyoraku with that cero long ago an kyoraku already told him that cero was nothing really..an kyoraku took him out because he threw that cape in his face not cuz he was the better sword fighter...lol stark knew his whole shikai an everything about it why you think shunsui threw the cape out cuz he was having a hard time trying to cut him he won't really getting anywhere.

I hate saying it cuz Yama is one if my fav but he just feared zaraki strength..an sence zaraki joined ss he has not really been trying to fight people there he is not crazy like him kid self was...lol stop making up things for kyoraku please zaraki will catch on to the games an let shunsui come in for an attack just to counter,come at zaraki from all angles it will just be more fun for zaraki..an like I said befor ur not taking him out with one hit ok smh..

After zaraki traning was over unohana said now most of ur fights will be child's play I am not over estimating his power we seen this coming from the first arc when he fought ichigo I kno kyoraku is strong an all but zaraki just has to much power.
 

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Read the fight and you will see that Stark is constantly under pressure from Shunsui.. If Stark was keeping his defense up real good why would he fall for the distraction? Shunsuis fighting style is deceptive and part of his abilities if you cant accept that then you cant see Shunsuis prowess.



Shunsuis fighting style is way too dangerous for Zaraki because of the fact that Zaraki doesnt think about his opponents ability while Shunsui is always analyzing and looking for weak spots. Yes Unohana was the best swordfighter but that obviously doesnt mean anything because of the fact that she was beaten by a fighter who fights without any sort of style that just makes me look at her in a weaker light... He left Unohana a lot of openings and she took advantage of them and by the end of the fight when she had given him all of his powers she had basically left herself for dead and didnt fight back



No he is not and the quincy is still a large threat which is why the Shinigami are preparing for the next war...The quincy are stronger than the captains which is why most of the captains were defeated without the quincy even using their vollstandig (Except Shunsui.. OMQ was the only Sternritter that had to use Vollstandig against a captain using shikai) The quincy are right now definitely stronger than most of the captains. That one cut wasnt nothing look at the blood pouring out of his stomach and Shunsui was definitely the one with the power at that moment. Shunsui obviously didnt need shikai at the time because he was overpowering the OMQ.

Thoes cero won't make it man an that's simple facts soi fon missile made a huge explosion at close range an the fact he aged it in time was ridiculous.
He did get hit though half his face was blown up. And the explosion only lasts for like a second... Starks cero mettrallata will keep coming at Barragan till he gets hit and at a large number at a fast pace.. This is why Barragan will get hit.




Shunsui only says his power is important to increase because they need all the firepower they need, but Zaraki is not gonna be the game changer in this war Ichigo is Zaraki will just be good power. Ichigos power is too great.



Yes and Shunsui was the one that ordered Unohana too train Zaraki she wouldnt have done it if Shunsui hadnt told her too. And she also needed his permission. He didnt say that they would definitely get run over again but he did say that his power is important and without a doubt the rest of the other captains will be increasing their strength to fight against the quincies. And Zarakis opponent will definitely not be Juha he will fight Ichigo and Ichigo will win, and how do you know who everyone is gonna fight? Zaraki might just fight fodder lol.. And Yama feared his Zarakis reckless nature and because of the fact that he could turn against SS which is why he stopped training him... Zarakis power is also dangerous but it is his state of mind and Yama didnt fear Zaraki lol where did you get that? He just feared for SS safety not of his actual power because Yama would destroy Zaraki in shikai haha..... And Shunsui could do a lot because he could withstand a fight against Yama when Yama was trying to kill him while with a very ill Ukitake and cant fight to his full capabilities.



Lol Zarai cant beat an opponent who has brain and power... When Unohana said he doesnt leave any openings it is when he doesnt give her the chance to use her hidden blades which is used to weaken the opponent lol he does leave openings just not enough to use extra techniques haha




I dont put Shinji over Shunsui because he may have a has shikai but whoever enters Shunsuis domain is under his zans influence... And im sure that Shunsui knows Shinjis shikai which lets off a scent which whoever smells it will have their senses inverted and will counter it by not smelling it. Plus once Shunsui knows the ability we have seen enough skill in his sword technique to counter it. Shunsuis shikai is so unique and dangerous that it is amazing and the skill in which he uses it is interesting to see.


I dont think Ukitake would lol he would against an adult but not against a kid. Yama wouldnt even fight against Wonderweiss while he was in his child form.

Don't matter in a fight to the death ur not supposed to give someone a chance to win no hints no nothing..most of thoes distractions came from other people being around other two are from his hat an cape.

So I reread the fight an no stark was not really under pressure it did not even last that long when kyoraku came back where in the fight was stark being pressured?..kyoraku cut him then he cut kyoraku the kyoraku threw the cape and it was over I said in the straight up sword fight kyoraku was barely hitting him stark was keeping up on the defense but then the cape came an he just feel for it.

Zaraki don't think of his opponents ability? When fighting noritora he was trying to think of a way to get rid of his arms so he played dead an tries to attack from behind...also had to think his way out of tosen fight he will think if he needs to..zaraki don't fight with no style the old him must did if he beat unohana right?..an yea the weak zaraki left her with openings the old him never did an that's the way he is now..left her self for dead did not fight bac? Does it matter she was never a match for the real him in the first place she was fighting back but list cuz he got to powerful.

Quincy are not stronger,most captains got there bankia took remember? The captains who did not get there bankai used on them barely took any damage besides kenpachi cuz the one he fought was on another level from the rest ..that blood gushing out the Quincy seem like it was nothing to him if you go reread he won't in no real harm.an yea shunsui needed shikai he hit shunsui once an shunsui hit him once so how was shunsui overpowering omq?..an yea he's a joke to zaraki at the moment.

I kno it took out almost half bargain face but still he aged it an that explosion is very quick an very destructive stark cero are not that destructive barrgan will just keep aging stark cero the only way stark wins is if barrgan runs out if energy first.

Yea zaraki power is so important he gave up his best healer an the first kenpachi who was also very strong an had been captain for over a 1000 years that tells me getting zaraki power was super important..zaraki will be a game changer that's why he was one of there war potentials now they will final see the real him.

She had to train him ether train him or risk ss getting destroyed once again she could have just said no but that would be stupid of her..and naw after seeing what happen the first time they would with out a dout get ran over by juha alone..of corse zaraki opponent gone be strong he not gone fight no fodder if he does then he will win easy.central 46 member said if zaraki gets any stronger he will be unstoppable an Yama stoped training him for that very fear that's where I got it from...an Ike I said befor Yama was not really trying to kill him an plus he had help without ukitake he was dead meat from the jump.

An no he left her no openings she said she was no match for him it showed her tired an beatin up an him still happy with out a scratch on him..zaraki can't beat a person with brain power yea say that when you actually see him fight a person with brain power.

Lol how the hell you gone not smell it lol you sound so stupid it's ridiculous an like shinji said there is no way to counter his shikai yea you have to play be kyoraku rules but shinji shikai is also still in affect..shinji said ur brain can't keep up everything is backwards for the opponent the only way to beat shinji shikai is to have a sword like aizen or a kido type blade that is very powerful that can just over power shinji from all angles...kyoraku sword ability won't matter every thing is backwards for the opponent at all times so no matter where kyoraku swings he will miss cuz shinji will always be in the opposite direction.

Yama would fight wonderwiess in kid form Yama said um happy ur not in ur kid form so I won't fill wrong about striking you down meaning he would strike wonderweiss no matter what..an yea ukitake not gone let his best fried get a hole put in him an not attack the one who did it.

Naw kyoraku told meaning he wanted to give stark a chance meaning he not that devious as you think he is..um what? He was going to use bankai but ukitake stopped him..an I'm saying if he fought zaraki one on one there would be no other people around to distract kenpachi just leaving kyoraku with his cape an hat to use for distractions.

Ichigo does not have a rival period..yea ichigo will have to just out shine everybody once again.

He hit kyoraku with that cero long ago an kyoraku already told him that cero was nothing really..an kyoraku took him out because he threw that cape in his face not cuz he was the better sword fighter...lol stark knew his whole shikai an everything about it why you think shunsui threw the cape out cuz he was having a hard time trying to cut him he won't really getting anywhere.

I hate saying it cuz Yama is one if my fav but he just feared zaraki strength..an sence zaraki joined ss he has not really been trying to fight people there he is not crazy like him kid self was...lol stop making up things for kyoraku please zaraki will catch on to the games an let shunsui come in for an attack just to counter,come at zaraki from all angles it will just be more fun for zaraki..an like I said befor ur not taking him out with one hit ok smh..

After zaraki traning was over unohana said now most of ur fights will be child's play I am not over estimating his power we seen this coming from the first arc when he fought ichigo I kno kyoraku is strong an all but zaraki just has to much power.
Argh I give up there is no winning so I am just going to leave this..... I have given you facts of why Shunsui has shown to be stronger yet you easily dismiss them as nothing.. Zarakis strength and apparent better reaction time is not enough to defeat Shunsui (Even though Shunsui has shown some awesome reaction feats of his own)... Zaraki even said reaction time isnt enough to defeat a captain level opponent


Im not replying you after this if you want to keep dismissing facts and retort them by saying "Oh it wont work because it is Zaraki" That kind of argument is biased and is getting old.
 
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Read the fight and you will see that Stark is constantly under pressure from Shunsui.. If Stark was keeping his defense up real good why would he fall for the distraction? Shunsuis fighting style is deceptive and part of his abilities if you cant accept that then you cant see Shunsuis prowess.



Shunsuis fighting style is way too dangerous for Zaraki because of the fact that Zaraki doesnt think about his opponents ability while Shunsui is always analyzing and looking for weak spots. Yes Unohana was the best swordfighter but that obviously doesnt mean anything because of the fact that she was beaten by a fighter who fights without any sort of style that just makes me look at her in a weaker light... He left Unohana a lot of openings and she took advantage of them and by the end of the fight when she had given him all of his powers she had basically left herself for dead and didnt fight back



No he is not and the quincy is still a large threat which is why the Shinigami are preparing for the next war...The quincy are stronger than the captains which is why most of the captains were defeated without the quincy even using their vollstandig (Except Shunsui.. OMQ was the only Sternritter that had to use Vollstandig against a captain using shikai) The quincy are right now definitely stronger than most of the captains. That one cut wasnt nothing look at the blood pouring out of his stomach and Shunsui was definitely the one with the power at that moment. Shunsui obviously didnt need shikai at the time because he was overpowering the OMQ.

Thoes cero won't make it man an that's simple facts soi fon missile made a huge explosion at close range an the fact he aged it in time was ridiculous.
He did get hit though half his face was blown up. And the explosion only lasts for like a second... Starks cero mettrallata will keep coming at Barragan till he gets hit and at a large number at a fast pace.. This is why Barragan will get hit.




Shunsui only says his power is important to increase because they need all the firepower they need, but Zaraki is not gonna be the game changer in this war Ichigo is Zaraki will just be good power. Ichigos power is too great.



Yes and Shunsui was the one that ordered Unohana too train Zaraki she wouldnt have done it if Shunsui hadnt told her too. And she also needed his permission. He didnt say that they would definitely get run over again but he did say that his power is important and without a doubt the rest of the other captains will be increasing their strength to fight against the quincies. And Zarakis opponent will definitely not be Juha he will fight Ichigo and Ichigo will win, and how do you know who everyone is gonna fight? Zaraki might just fight fodder lol.. And Yama feared his Zarakis reckless nature and because of the fact that he could turn against SS which is why he stopped training him... Zarakis power is also dangerous but it is his state of mind and Yama didnt fear Zaraki lol where did you get that? He just feared for SS safety not of his actual power because Yama would destroy Zaraki in shikai haha..... And Shunsui could do a lot because he could withstand a fight against Yama when Yama was trying to kill him while with a very ill Ukitake and cant fight to his full capabilities.



Lol Zarai cant beat an opponent who has brain and power... When Unohana said he doesnt leave any openings it is when he doesnt give her the chance to use her hidden blades which is used to weaken the opponent lol he does leave openings just not enough to use extra techniques haha




I dont put Shinji over Shunsui because he may have a has shikai but whoever enters Shunsuis domain is under his zans influence... And im sure that Shunsui knows Shinjis shikai which lets off a scent which whoever smells it will have their senses inverted and will counter it by not smelling it. Plus once Shunsui knows the ability we have seen enough skill in his sword technique to counter it. Shunsuis shikai is so unique and dangerous that it is amazing and the skill in which he uses it is interesting to see.


I dont think Ukitake would lol he would against an adult but not against a kid. Yama wouldnt even fight against Wonderweiss while he was in his child form.
Argh I give up there is no winning so I am just going to leave this..... I have given you facts of why Shunsui has shown to be stronger yet you easily dismiss them as nothing.. Zarakis strength and apparent better reaction time is not enough to defeat Shunsui (Even though Shunsui has shown some awesome reaction feats of his own)... Zaraki even said reaction time isnt enough to defeat a captain level opponent


Im not replying you after this if you want to keep dismissing facts and retort them by saying "Oh it wont work because it is Zaraki" That kind of argument is biased and is getting old.
Shunsui has shown better reaction time to a weak zaraki, zaraki right now fights way better than the one we wer used to seeing..in that page that's not kenpachi at his full power lol an as that fight went on his reaction time got better an better so what you saying an soon enough he cut tosen down.

Shunsui used to be stronger but not any more simple.
 
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zaraki kenpachi......... the "kenpachi" name is given to the strongest
dont u read the manga?
Zaraki isnt the strongest person in bleach, he's not even in the top 10. and ps everyone in the 11th Squad is a kenpachi (get your facts right)

now to answer the question i'll go with Isshin Kurosaki/Kisuke Urahara/Shunsui Kyoraku/Jushiro Ukitake and especially Retsu Unohana
 

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Zaraki isnt the strongest person in bleach, he's not even in the top 10. and ps everyone in the 11th Squad is a kenpachi (get your facts right)

now to answer the question i'll go with Isshin Kurosaki/Kisuke Urahara/Shunsui Kyoraku/Jushiro Ukitake and especially Retsu Unohana
First off everyone in the 11squad is not a kenpachi. Yachiru is not a kenpachi,ikaku is not a kenpachi nether is that other guy who keeps talking bout his beauty all the time...an zaraki is in the top ten of the strongest an he just killed unohana she even said she was no match for zaraki.
 
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