[Theory] The Strawhats Are Weak ?

[Hexuze]

idk about being weak since we're always bombarded with OP characters. I just feel Brook was kinda a let down since timeskip for me at least.

 

[Fireplay]

The weak members are mostly there for contributing. They need a doctor and a navigator. The ones who mainly focus on fighting is the monster trio. Even the rest of the members aren't weak. Nami is just a coward but she isn't weak. Chopper, Franky, Usopp, Robin Etc are pretty strong in their own way. Especially Franky.

 

[Anduril]

Dude come on. They were begging for that woman to attack them..... you think that is weak? And not just that, the woman has shown to have the weirdest ability of all. Also they already protected momonosuke. Why are people so intent on drawing up conclusions.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Re: the strawhats are week ?

Yes, they're week, but not weak though. Everyone contributes to the crew in a way or another, the crew it's not all about power, as for what happened in the Sunny, they were'nt expecting a woman to have a power to turn them into f*cking toys.

^^this

Each crew member has a job..Luffy, Zoro and sanji are just the main fighting force

 

[HarrisonX]

Re: the strawhats are week ?

To be fair, the only people who could match Roger were Garp, Whitebeard, and presumably Sengoku were it not that Garp had chosen Roger as his prey. And both of those Marines are Admirals (Garp was Admiral-level); I really doubt that Luffy will eventually be stronger than an Admiral. Able to match them? Of course. Able to casually solo? No.

HAHA Did you forget? in the Whitebeard War Saga, Whitebeard was smashing Akainu (Presently the Fleet Admiral).... So yeah....

OT: No the Straw Hat Pirates are definitely strong, mhm, but don't forget it is New World.... And Zoro, Sanji and Luffy could've smashed them....

 

[ziggyZ]

Re: the strawhats are week ?

To be fair, the only people who could match Roger were Garp, Whitebeard, and presumably Sengoku were it not that Garp had chosen Roger as his prey. And both of those Marines are Admirals (Garp was Admiral-level); I really doubt that Luffy will eventually be stronger than an Admiral. Able to match them? Of course. Able to casually solo? No.

-So you think Akainu will just stay Admiral-level until he fights Luffy?
-WB in his old age equaled two Admirals.
-Sengoku knew if he didn't hold down Garp, Garp would've destroyed Akainu; in his old age mind you
-This just proves that the level someone needs to be to become PK and/or rival him/her, means they need to be able to Mid-High DIFF an Admiral in their prime
-Hence why Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Kidd, Law, Akainu, BB etc. will all surpass Admiral level.












OT: The SH's are still not strong enough to survive in the NW by just themselves, so to answer your question: yes.

 

[Naruchigoo]

Re: the strawhats are week ?

Really, cause I'm pretty sure Zoro beat the living sh*t out of Monet, and wasn't even fighting seriously, Sanji and Luffy obviously have Haki so they can beat a logia, the rest of them dont, but Usopp did a pretty good job catching Ceaser in PH. When will people realize that not every member on the crew is supposed to be a fighter like the monster trio. Usopp is more of a support type, he's a sniper, Nami is a navigator, Chopper is a doctor, but he's strong though if you think otherwise that's your problem, but I understand you are talking about the ones in the ship, that's really easy to figure out why they lost, they were caught off guard, it's not everyday you see someone turning people into toys, and seeing how fast Sunny was transformed, maybe they were changed into toys at the same time. That doesn't mean they're weak. We barely saw the SH in a proper battle.

You got it!! I personally think they should be strong enough to protect themselves, not the beastly mode type of strong like Zoro, Sanji and luffy!

 

[ziggyZ]

The SH's as a group are weak when it comes to the NW.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Isn't that the point though? They're the underdogs and the stakes keep rising. It'd be no fun if they could just beat everyone in sight.

 

[ziggyZ]

Isn't that the point though? They're the underdogs and the stakes keep rising. It'd be no fun if they could just beat everyone in sight.

Because in no other Shonen do the main characters seem weak but through each fight they get stronger and continue to overcome the obstacles they couldn't in the past.

 

[N1nken]

Re: the strawhats are week ?

-So you think Akainu will just stay Admiral-level until he fights Luffy?
-WB in his old age equaled two Admirals.
-Sengoku knew if he didn't hold down Garp, Garp would've destroyed Akainu; in his old age mind you
-This just proves that the level someone needs to be to become PK and/or rival him/her, means they need to be able to Mid-High DIFF an Admiral in their prime
-Hence why Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Kidd, Law, Akainu, BB etc. will all surpass Admiral level.

"Admiral-level" is the strongest level within the Marines. I know and understand all these points you're trying to bring up. MY point is that people say "the Strawhats have to be above Admiral-level" like it's a fodder position. Garp was "Admiral-level" and almost killed Roger on several occassions. "Admiral-level" to One Piece is like "Kage level" to Naruto. Several of them are stronger/weaker than others, but they're not simply "solo'd" as if they're fodder. There's a reason there are only three/none of the Vice-Admirals were promoted. It takes a special skill level to be an Admiral. If the Admirals were as surpassable as you make them out to be, Whitebeard or another Yonko would've wiped them out long ago.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the Admirals won't go down as easily as people are assuming they will once Luffy becomes Pirate King. Nor does Luffy have to be as strong as everyone wants him to be to become credible enough as Pirate King. He can match the Admirals or defeat them in a Crocodile situation.

 

[Trolling King]

Re: the strawhats are week ?

"Admiral-level" is the strongest level within the Marines. I know and understand all these points you're trying to bring up. MY point is that people say "the Strawhats have to be above Admiral-level" like it's a fodder position. Garp was "Admiral-level" and almost killed Roger on several occassions. "Admiral-level" to One Piece is like "Kage level" to Naruto. Several of them are stronger/weaker than others, but they're not simply "solo'd" as if they're fodder. There's a reason there are only three/none of the Vice-Admirals were promoted. It takes a special skill level to be an Admiral. If the Admirals were as surpassable as you make them out to be, Whitebeard or another Yonko would've wiped them out long ago.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the Admirals won't go down as easily as people are assuming they will once Luffy becomes Pirate King. Nor does Luffy have to be as strong as everyone wants him to be to become credible enough as Pirate King. He can match the Admirals or defeat them in a Crocodile situation.

Well i think luffy solo's an admiral now, remember we have barely gotten into the nw after the ts, and every thing luffy faced he smash and kicked the living shit out of with ease, and not yet have anyone the straw hats fought seriously after the time skip, not zorro or sanji, not chopper or franky, not robin or nami, or not even ussop.

 

[thegame]

Robin is quite good as well. Her new usage to create an entire person is amazing. Surviving in the new world is not something you do with strength alone. There are other more relevant abilities. Besides, be sure that in the up coming arcs, Luffy and Law will flip the new world upside down. And it's not like Shanks would kill him. And all the remaining Whitebeard crew and allies, would probably also spare the strawhats a fight.

It's true they got beaten easily from what we know, but this is how it always is in One Piece. You start by losing, and then make a comeback somehow. I do, however, think that Chopper is quite strong, but he is a "*****" until he mans up for a fight.

"Admiral-level" is the strongest level within the Marines. I know and understand all these points you're trying to bring up. MY point is that people say "the Strawhats have to be above Admiral-level" like it's a fodder position. Garp was "Admiral-level" and almost killed Roger on several occassions. "Admiral-level" to One Piece is like "Kage level" to Naruto. Several of them are stronger/weaker than others, but they're not simply "solo'd" as if they're fodder. There's a reason there are only three/none of the Vice-Admirals were promoted. It takes a special skill level to be an Admiral. If the Admirals were as surpassable as you make them out to be, Whitebeard or another Yonko would've wiped them out long ago.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that the Admirals won't go down as easily as people are assuming they will once Luffy becomes Pirate King. Nor does Luffy have to be as strong as everyone wants him to be to become credible enough as Pirate King. He can match the Admirals or defeat them in a Crocodile situation.

While I agree with this, I do think that Sakuzuki and Aokiji were unique. There wont be an admiral of their level again. Also it seemed pretty clear to me, that Silvers Rayleigh were stronger than an admiral. Judging from what they said at HQ, they needed countless marines to try and capture him. I don't doubt the new admirals strength, however, luckily you don't run into more than one of them at a time very often, and thus they can probably manage.

Also I wouldn't go and call them the "strongest" just yet. I know that is what the ordinary marines say, however, I've noticed one of those old guys running the entire world government. He has a badass huge sword, and I imagine such old folks could easily be of the same level as Silvers Rayleigh. But who knows.

Well i think luffy solo's an admiral now, remember we have barely gotten into the nw after the ts, and every thing luffy faced he smash and kicked the living shit out of with ease, and not yet have anyone the straw hats fought seriously after the time skip, not zorro or sanji, not chopper or franky, not robin or nami, or not even ussop.

I disagree that Luffy can solo an admiral. First of all, it's a type of battle, that would take very long. I do, however, agree that they are much stronger than what we've seen. If it was really important, Luffy could perhaps beat, whoever is the weakest of the admirals, however, if he were to fight Kizaru alone, I don't see him winning.

We know for sure, he hasn't mastered all the Haki's . He has learned the basics, and thus he will keep evolving and become better at using it. When he has mastered it, he can stand up to an admiral alone.

 

[Love Cook]

Re: the strawhats are week ?

I love one piece and all but don't u guys think that the only stawhats pirates who can keep up with the new world are
zoro , sanji and luffy Imean u all saw what happened in the last chapter nami and the rest got beaten so easily

gimme ur Opinion on this Im confused

They wanted to lure her away from Sunny, besides they're not beaten at all they're all still alive and kicking. How is Oda supposed to hype a fight if he can't showcase the powers of the enemies. This is just like when Kalifa transformed Sanji so that we would understand the fruit and Nami could go beat her.

that woman can turn things into toys,...TOYS

They're not toys...They're modern art.

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[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Straw hats are strong, presently I think Luffy could take on an Admiral - high difficulty or atleast monster trio could together. And considering Luffy is only 19 and Zoro/Sanji are both early 20s, this is a very admirable feat. They all have a long way to go but no one can call them weak. Anyone who is stronger than them, has decades of experience behind them.

As for the rest of the straw hats, they are not insanely strong as it is not their job to be fighters, however relatively speaking, even Nami and Usopp are strong enough to take on a group of fodder marines/ one decent fighter.

 

[Trolling King]

I disagree that Luffy can solo an admiral. First of all, it's a type of battle, that would take very long. I do, however, agree that they are much stronger than what we've seen. If it was really important, Luffy could perhaps beat, whoever is the weakest of the admirals, however, if he were to fight Kizaru alone, I don't see him winning.

We know for sure, he hasn't mastered all the Haki's . He has learned the basics, and thus he will keep evolving and become better at using it. When he has mastered it, he can stand up to an admiral alone.

He has been show to be extremly proficent with his haki even though he didn't master it, like when he clean the floor with smoker ceaser and slugged monet. Plus his obersvational haki is rediculous like he fought in FI dodging thousands of water drop lets with ease. I think it would be a huge drawn out fight to, and he would never have had to fight harder but i do think he could win by himself.

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

The SH are ok in terms of strength minus the M3 they have 2 or 3 members that can hold off pacifista and at the summit war we saw some seasoned NW veterans running away from pacifista so in my eyes SH crew are a very strong crew, with Robin, Franky, Brook and there's also Monster-Chopper. Ussop and Nami showed in that Ceaser bit that they can take care of themselves.