The Space/Time Misconception

[Hori]

Oh hello guys its been a while since I made a thread here but oh well why not eh? I have a cool topic to discuss with you guys I am sure you guys are gonna love it *_*, Then shall I begin....

When we look at the people in naruto world that have the ability to teleport whether themselves, others or reven objects most people tend to believe that these individuals have the ability to control space and time, which is not true but thee latter is. Now we are gonna look at Minato and Tobitama's FTG, Obito's kamui and Kaguya's dimension change are all jutsus that the users manipulate just space not time. I mean look at Minato, he can travel a distance that is like 300km in less than 5 seconds meaning he can enter a dimension that aloows him to move fast maybe like the speed of lightning.

This is the same as Goku's instant transmition he can travel at the speed of light but he does not control time rather he can accelerate fast in such a way that he can travel a ot of miles a second. Same with Obito he enters a space and can open portals from his kamui dimension and connect to the real world which hisneyes are the medium. The thing is Kaguya's space jutsu is almost hte same as a doorway which can instantly teleport people without direct contact with them... its like Gokus instant transmition that requires no direct contact, actually Kaguya's space ninjutsu is the only one liie that. If you have noticed Obito uses his mangyeko eyes as a key to enter kamui,Minato and Tobirama need special seals/marksto be carved on their kunais or what ever they touch and Sasuke's too he needs to switch with any inanimate object liie Sakura's jacket.

Anyway my point here is all these people do nit control time rather they control the space and travel faster than normal people, because when they travel around the sense of time around the people they use it among does not change. So I declare that there is nothing such as space/time ninjutsu but just space distortion ninjutsu, now what do you say Narutobase? *_*

 

[BlacLord™]

No... it's manipulation of the Space-Time Continuum.

 

[Wolfus]

Goku's IT is not at the speed of light. It's, well, instantaneous. A teleport consists in folding space-time to make the distance between point A and point B be almost 0, and that distortion happens in a ridiculously small amount of time(what you guys call instant).

Also, if you're distorting space, you will distort time, as both are directly connected(see einstein's theory of relavitity)

 

[Dãrth1]

It's Space manipulation...

 

[Alastor]

Oh hello guys its been a while since I made a thread here but oh well why not eh? I have a cool topic to discuss with you guys I am sure you guys are gonna love it *_*, Then shall I begin....

When we look at the people in naruto world that have the ability to teleport whether themselves, others or reven objects most people tend to believe that these individuals have the ability to control space and time, which is not true but thee latter is. Now we are gonna look at Minato and Tobitama's FTG, Obito's kamui and Kaguya's dimension change are all jutsus that the users manipulate just space not time. I mean look at Minato, he can travel a distance that is like 300km in less than 5 seconds meaning he can enter a dimension that aloows him to move fast maybe like the speed of lightning.

This is the same as Goku's instant transmition he can travel at the speed of light but he does not control time rather he can accelerate fast in such a way that he can travel a ot of miles a second. Same with Obito he enters a space and can open portals from his kamui dimension and connect to the real world which hisneyes are the medium. The thing is Kaguya's space jutsu is almost hte same as a doorway which can instantly teleport people without direct contact with them... its like Gokus instant transmition that requires no direct contact, actually Kaguya's space ninjutsu is the only one liie that. If you have noticed Obito uses his mangyeko eyes as a key to enter kamui,Minato and Tobirama need special seals/marksto be carved on their kunais or what ever they touch and Sasuke's too he needs to switch with any inanimate object liie Sakura's jacket.

Anyway my point here is all these people do nit control time rather they control the space and travel faster than normal people, because when they travel around the sense of time around the people they use it among does not change. So I declare that there is nothing such as space/time ninjutsu but just space distortion ninjutsu, now what do you say Narutobase? *_*

I say Kishi > Assumptions. It's called space/time for a reason.
Also Goku's IT is instantaneous, the whole "at the speed of light" concept is a mistake caused by anime fillers (which are not canon).

 

[BlacLord™]

Goku's IT is not at the speed of light. It's, well, instantaneous. A teleport consists in folding space-time to make the distance between point A and point B be almost 0, and that distortion happens in a ridiculously small amount of time(what you guys call instant).

Also, if you're distorting space, you will distort time, as both are directly connected(see einstein's theory of relavitity)

Let's not confuse her.

 

[Hori]

Goku's IT is not at the speed of light. It's, well, instantaneous. A teleport consists in folding space-time to make the distance between point A and point B be almost 0, and that distortion happens in a ridiculously small amount of time(what you guys call instant).

Also, if you're distorting space, you will distort time, as both are directly connected(see einstein's theory of relavitity)

Then let me ask you how does distorting space make time change? Doing that does not mean you can control time its just travelling at a greater speed than normal. Also Goku's IT is at the speed of light check the episode. If Obito uses kamui my sense if time does not change... meaning he does not change time but the space he distorts causes an abnormality in him and make him travel faster liie how Guy did when he was facing Madz while in 8 inner gates formation.

 

[Gerkak]

They manipulate the space-time continuum. According to the current model time and space are closely linked. According to the theory Space as we know it is 4D fabric with 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time. Due to this link one cannot manipulate space without manipulate time in some shape or form.

In other words all the S/T techniques shown in the NV. Manipulate space and time together since they fall under a single 4D continuum.

 

[Hori]

I say Kishi > Assumptions. It's called space/time for a reason.
Also Goku's IT is instantaneous, the whole "at the speed of light" concept is a mistake caused by anime fillers (which are not canon).

Yeah you said it space or time meaning they thought its between the two. So teleporting here is just a warp of space causing the user's sense of time flow slowly.

 

[kimb]

Oh hello guys its been a while since I made a thread here but oh well why not eh? I have a cool topic to discuss with you guys I am sure you guys are gonna love it *_*, Then shall I begin....

When we look at the people in naruto world that have the ability to teleport whether themselves, others or reven objects most people tend to believe that these individuals have the ability to control space and time, which is not true but thee latter is. Now we are gonna look at Minato and Tobitama's FTG, Obito's kamui and Kaguya's dimension change are all jutsus that the users manipulate just space not time. I mean look at Minato, he can travel a distance that is like 300km in less than 5 seconds meaning he can enter a dimension that aloows him to move fast maybe like the speed of lightning.

This is the same as Goku's instant transmition he can travel at the speed of light but he does not control time rather he can accelerate fast in such a way that he can travel a ot of miles a second. Same with Obito he enters a space and can open portals from his kamui dimension and connect to the real world which hisneyes are the medium. The thing is Kaguya's space jutsu is almost hte same as a doorway which can instantly teleport people without direct contact with them... its like Gokus instant transmition that requires no direct contact, actually Kaguya's space ninjutsu is the only one liie that. If you have noticed Obito uses his mangyeko eyes as a key to enter kamui,Minato and Tobirama need special seals/marksto be carved on their kunais or what ever they touch and Sasuke's too he needs to switch with any inanimate object liie Sakura's jacket.

Anyway my point here is all these people do nit control time rather they control the space and travel faster than normal people, because when they travel around the sense of time around the people they use it among does not change. So I declare that there is nothing such as space/time ninjutsu but just space distortion ninjutsu, now what do you say Narutobase? *_*

Sasuke doesn't need to switch with an item to teleport.

 

[Hori]

Sasuke doesn't need to switch with an item to teleport.

Then tell me how does his eye power work?

 

[Alastor]

Yeah you said it space or time meaning they thought its between the two. So teleporting here is just a warp of space causing the user's sense of time flow slowly.

Wrong :

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And I see you insist Goku's IT is only light speed, that was only mentioned in anime filler and is wrong an illogical since Goku was shown traveling from one side of the galaxy to another instantly, light would need 8 minutes and 20 seconds JUST to cover the distance from earth to sun.

 

[iNotorious]

Then tell me how does his eye power work?

He can teleport within a

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[obito uchiha the wraith]

Then let me ask you how does distorting space make time change? Doing that does not mean you can control time its just travelling at a greater speed than normal. Also Goku's IT is at the speed of light check the episode. If Obito uses kamui my sense if time does not change... meaning he does not change time but the space he distorts causes an abnormality in him and make him travel faster liie how Guy did when he was facing Madz while in 8 inner gates formation.

it doesn't matter if YOUR sense of time doesn't change the person using a s/t sense of time does change. by manipulating space they are also manipulating time therefore are not affected by it.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Then let me ask you how does distorting space make time change? Doing that does not mean you can control time its just travelling at a greater speed than normal. Also Goku's IT is at the speed of light check the episode. If Obito uses kamui my sense if time does not change... meaning he does not change time but the space he distorts causes an abnormality in him and make him travel faster liie how Guy did when he was facing Madz while in 8 inner gates formation.

According to Einstein, specifically the theory of relativity states that time is relative. If someone moves at the speed of light, your perception of time will not change for you but for the person going light speed. To them, time will be frozen. That's where the time manipulation comes from.

A individual going really fast, perceives time faster- meaning that you will perceive them slower to them. Basically if a individual has a technique that enables light speed movement then the technique has the side effect of the user having the perception than time has stopped because they are moving so fast.

For example, Haku stated that he views naruto and Sasuke in slow motion.

Strictly speaking it's not time manipulation since as a whole it is is constant - ( unless you traverse time/stop time ) it is really your perception of time that changes.

Time manipulation is a secondary effect of space manipulation. For example, if you uses space manipulation to move instantaneously, then nothing else moves while you can. If you can move while nothing else can, time is effectively stopped.

 

[BlacLord™]

Simply put, time and space are intrinsically linked.

When you move through space, it takes time to do so. As Wolfus noted, teleporting involves creating a fold to make the distance from A to B close to 0, so close that the time it takes to travel from A to B is what we commonly refer to as instant.

 

[Andy Bogard]

Goku's IT is not at the speed of light. It's, well, instantaneous. A teleport consists in folding space-time to make the distance between point A and point B be almost 0, and that distortion happens in a ridiculously small amount of time(what you guys call instant).

Also, if you're distorting space, you will distort time, as both are directly connected(see einstein's theory of relavitity)

I agree with wolfy here.
That was a great misconception between japanese & English DBZ dub. Goku was in fact supposed to be instant.
However, I will agree that no one in the Narutoverse has shown any time-traveling feats(SO FAR)

 

[Hori]

Wrong :

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And I see you insist Goku's IT is only light speed, that was only mentioned in anime filler and is wrong an illogical since Goku was shown traveling from one side of the galaxy to another instantly, light would need 8 minutes and 20 seconds JUST to cover the distance between from earth to sun.

Why do they say its space or time? Why not just say space and time ninjutsu if its both? I will say it again when Minato teleports time for him seems to be flowing slower. Take it like that when Minato teleports he enters a dimension that while he is whiile he is inside the dimension if je spends 1min in reality only 30 seconds have passed. So the person fighting or seeing Minato teleport the time has not changed its still flowing the same way it was, thus Minato did not manipulate time but when to a space where time flows slowly then here and came back via the mark.

 

[Hori]

He can teleport within a

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Nah Noto, didn't you read the chapter where Obito and Sakura saved Sasuke? Sasuke swapped places with Sakuras jacket that is how it works he can only swapmwith inanimate objects, and that case there was a lot of rubble to swap with

 

[Alastor]

Why do they say its space or time? Why not just say space and time ninjutsu if its both? I will say it again when Minato teleports time for him seems to be flowing slower. Take it like that when Minato teleports he enters a dimension that while he is whiile he is inside the dimension if je spends 1min in reality only 30 seconds have passed. So the person fighting or seeing Minato teleport the time has not changed its still flowing the same way it was, thus Minato did not manipulate time but when to a space where time flows slowly then here and came back via the mark.

No one ever said it's space OR time, they say space-time which is just another way to write it.... Check the link :

In physics, spacetime (also space–time, space time or space–time continuum)

What are you even talking about anymore ? when did this 1 minute thing ever happen ?
The other people here clearly explained the space-time concept.