[Theory] The Shinju's eyes and body

[Dante Demiurges]

So basically I think that that Sasuke and Naruto> Madara, most of you might believe this but why is the Juubi's Jin weaker than the two sons of the sage(incarnation).

First of the Juubi and Shinju are two seperate beings, with the shinju being the origin of all chakra and power and the Juubi being the monstrous incarnation of the holy tree.
Now the Madara might have gotten all the Juubi's power(Body, Chakra) but does not possess the Shinju's powers, in order to obtain the Shinju's power one must eat the holy fruit, here I'll explain it:
Madara possess the juubi's power which is mostly made of Chakra, Body but as we know the being the juubi Jin does not grant the user a few things in specific, with those being the Eye of Shinju, Wood release(chakra absorbing), Perfect Control of natural energy(Chakra too) and if you are keen you will be able to find out that all these abilities are present in the Shinju but not the Juubi.

The two sons and their respective incarnations have shown these traits even though they are down graded,
The eye of Shinju(Kaguya obtained it from the fruit), Indra, Sasuke, Madara(3 tomoe and further)
Wood release, Hashirama(Absorbing, Giant Colossal wood beings but still pale in comparison with the Shinju)
perfect control over chakra(Nature), naruto
Chakra?, Ashura

but what the real question is why didn't the sage possess any of these traits but his sons had these?

I believe that Kaguya had all the Shinju's power, her two sons which I believe were born Asexually had her traits but different and in ways her mother desired, and the sage(Juubi Jin) had two sons which were born sexually and had human and juubi influence which caused something that granted or at least unlocked the Shinju's powers within them.

 

[Joon]

Juubi and the Shinju is the same being. The Juubi's Jinchuuriki are way stronger than some Transmigrater's.

 

[Cauzing]

recessive gens maybe? you know. Gens just simply pass one family generation?

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

Asexually..........:vincent:

 

[Dante Demiurges]

Juubi and the Shinju is the same being. The Juubi's Jinchuuriki are way stronger than the Sage's sons, Asura and Indra.

Are Indra and Sasuke the same being, NO
then tell me how sasuke and naruto are gonna due solo madara.

 

[EPICMenma]

Kaguya got whole chakra from Shinju which divided two chakras Yin(Moon) and Yang(Sun) passed into his son, Hagoromo.
Perhaps that's where Naruto and Sasuke got powers from him.
this is my possible theory.

OT: those powers will be Lord Madara's downfall.

 

[Joon]

Are Indra and Sasuke the same being, NO
then tell me how sasuke and naruto are gonna due solo madara.

Just like how they defeated Obito. Together. :|

 

[Dante Demiurges]

Just like the defeated Obito. :|

Naruto is keeping Madara at bay and with sasuke's help they are going to win against Madara and then TNJ him in the end.

 

[Cauzing]

also what I was asking myself is that, beeing a bijuus jin power doesn't make you control his powers right? first you need his chakra, or cooperate with him, don't you? isn't that the same for the 10 tails?

 

[Joon]

Naruto is keeping Madara at bay and with sasuke's help they are going to win against Madara and then TNJ him in the end.

What? You seem certain about this...

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[Dante Demiurges]

also what I was asking myself is that, beeing a bijuus jin power doesn't make you control his powers right? first you need his chakra, or cooperate with him, don't you? isn't that the same for the 10 tails?

they have the Juubi chakra mode which basically means that obito and Madara were keeping the juubi sealed and had their chakra's in a seperate place, Obito when he didn't had control over the juubi was not as much as powerful as the version 2 of obito.

 

[Dante Demiurges]

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Its kishi no one knows exacly but I believe that he will get TNJ Ed in the end.

 

[Cauzing]

they have the Juubi chakra mode which basically means that obito and Madara were keeping the juubi sealed and had their chakra's in a seperate place, Obito when he didn't had control over the juubi was not as much as powerful as the version 2 of obito.

ah ok thanks for the answer

 

[Dante Demiurges]

ah ok thanks for the answer

Do I sense sarcasm or is it that I am mistaking it.
Sorry bro if its a mistake.

 

[Cauzing]

Do I sense sarcasm or is it that I am mistaking it.
Sorry bro if its a mistake.

na I was asking myself that question for a while^^ so no sarcasm.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Nah, dude. Explain how a juubis jin can summon the god tree, if they're separate entities?

 

[Da Best Ever]

So basically I think that that Sasuke and Naruto> Madara, most of you might believe this but why is the Juubi's Jin weaker than the two sons of the sage(incarnation).

First of the Juubi and Shinju are two seperate beings, with the shinju being the origin of all chakra and power and the Juubi being the monstrous incarnation of the holy tree.
Now the Madara might have gotten all the Juubi's power(Body, Chakra) but does not possess the Shinju's powers, in order to obtain the Shinju's power one must eat the holy fruit, here I'll explain it:
Madara possess the juubi's power which is mostly made of Chakra, Body but as we know the being the juubi Jin does not grant the user a few things in specific, with those being the Eye of Shinju, Wood release(chakra absorbing), Perfect Control of natural energy(Chakra too) and if you are keen you will be able to find out that all these abilities are present in the Shinju but not the Juubi.

The two sons and their respective incarnations have shown these traits even though they are down graded,
The eye of Shinju(Kaguya obtained it from the fruit), Indra, Sasuke, Madara(3 tomoe and further)
Wood release, Hashirama(Absorbing, Giant Colossal wood beings but still pale in comparison with the Shinju)
perfect control over chakra(Nature), naruto
Chakra?, Ashura

but what the real question is why didn't the sage possess any of these traits but his sons had these?

I believe that Kaguya had all the Shinju's power, her two sons which I believe were born Asexually had her traits but different and in ways her mother desired, and the sage(Juubi Jin) had two sons which were born sexually and had human and juubi influence which caused something that granted or at least unlocked the Shinju's powers within them.

The shinju itself is weak compared to high level shinobi like that. Tp prove this think about how Kaguya ate the fruit but instead of the Shinju attacking the shinju transformed into the juubi to attack kaguya instead which means the juubi's power > shinju's power. Now of course the fruit of the shinju holds/has more power than the juubi but the shinju cannot access that power. The Shinju's only power is absorbing chakra with its branches.


Now the sages sons equal the sage together without the the juubi, but naruto and sasuke was just given power from the sage along with their own power. The sage never gave ashura and indra separate power ups like he did naruto and sasuke. Of course their power is from him since he is their father but they only had the power of the bijuu and ems power, naruto and sasuke have the power of the bijuu and ems along with all their own abilities not only that you have to include the sage power up they just got so naruto and sasuke might be greater than ashura and indra, unless we think of it as ashura and indra should have more power since they are the closest in bloodline to the sage and kaguya. Also madara not being the original and having watered down versions of the sage's power might make a difference as well since the sage was able to fight the juubi with his brother but madara wouldnt be able to do that, instead he found an easier way that the sage indirectly created.



The whole perfect unison with nature thing is an assumption since hashirama and naruto mastered sage mode, meaning their is no level greater than what they achieved although hashirama is the only one who can use wood enhanced my senjutsu. You are talking as if the shinju is a separate entity from the juubi and its not and just a different form of the same thing, to prove this look at how juubito was able to bring forth the Shinju...If the juubi didn't have the same power as the shinju then obito wouldnt have had access the the shinju at all but he did so...




Also I can agree with the others being less than the juubi/shinju but I can't agree with hashirama being less than it since hashirama binded the juubi with the gate god jutsu and rendered it immobile and the buddha statue is the same size as it or slightly less and not only that but the buddha statue with one of its hands held the kyuubi up like it was literally a cat to a giant, which further indicates its power not only that but kishi purposely didn't allow hashirama to use that jutsu to make things progress to this point, also hashirama's wood techs can be enhaced by natural energy and has been enhanced by natural energy such as when he faced ems madara and since the shinju can't do nothing but absorb chakra and madara and hashirama kept fighting and talking as if the branches weren't a threat to them proves the shinju isn't greater than hashirama and above shinobi which lmao isn't anyone above him other than the juubi jins and the sage's family.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Naruto is keeping Madara at bay and with sasuke's help they are going to win against Madara and then TNJ him in the end.

Madara is the most arrogant and self absorbed and most prideful shinobi ever, I highly doubt he can be talked out of his ways, it was easy for obito to get tnj because it was never his plan to begin with but its madara's plan that he planned and thought out to have it happen in the future.

 

[Dante Demiurges]

Nah, dude. Explain how a juubis jin can summon the god tree, if they're separate entities?

Its like Indra and sasuke.

 

[Yahcob13]

The Juubi is the offensive form of the Shinju. I cant explain the cyclops eye. But since Naruto is friends with the bijuu he may develop an eye. The interesting thing is how Naruto hasnt changed form but Obito and Madara did. It must have something to do with them cooperating with him. It could be that Obito and Madara are yin type so it compensates by transforming the body. Naruto is yang so it compensates in the eyes. I dunno. just theorizing