[Theory] the Senjus Dictatorship and Sasuke's Revolution

[minamoto]

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what is Revolution?


Revolution : is a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favour of a new system...


this means :

1-the Revolutioner has new philosophie and system to establish...

2-the revolutioner must have enough strenght to establish his new Ideology and system!!..




2- befor i go further in this thread plz mind me express my respect to these 3 characters :

Sasuke ,Madara, Nagato.... all have different plans and ideologies..wich make them true antagonists:

1-Madara : the MEP

2-Nagato : the idealogy of pain

3-Sasuke : his idea of "Revolution"...a 17 years kid comes up with such grown up idea?...just wow..so badass!..


now comes the most important question : should sasuke's Revolution come befor he becomes Hokage or after he becomes hokage??...


-unfortunately Sasuke (Kishi) was being vague about weither Sasuke's Revolution will be a result of him being hokage....OR just the main reason for him to become hokage...


-but to my knowledge sasuke's revolution invloves both !!!


1st-Pre-Hokage Revolution :

Sasuke's revolution is a way and an important factor of him being Hokage :

after listning to hashirama's version of story, sasuke realized new things..we could say that hashirama played big role in shaping sasuke's idealogy and personality...

-Sasuke realized that Madara was a true enemy to get rid of...becuz sasuke considers the MEP as great threat to his "Revolution"...thats why he had to team up with the allied shinobi and get rid of Madara and kaguya..


-Sasuke also needed strenght that enables him to bring his Revolution into motion thats why he tricked Hagoromo and obtained his powers

-sasuke realized that hashirama's and hagoromo's and madara's and naruto's solutionss for spreading peace and creating a village were impossible..that's why he created new system based on "Revolution" to overthrow those old social orders....BUT !!! at the same time Sasuke knew that though he was right,but still no one would elect him as hokage.....thats why sasuke is gonna REVOLT and use force to become Hokage...


-executing the 5 kages and killing naruto are pre-hokage Revolution step ....sasuke will eradicate all those who created "the dark past".same thing goes for Bijuus ....


2nd-post-Hokage Revolution :

in that sense Revolution means: establishing the new system or coming up with genious ideas that the villages never had befor...(forexemple "THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION")......maybe sasuke will unify all the allied shinobies into 1 big country and REVOLUTIONIZE the ninja wrold.



-we must agree that Sasuke has a point !

-1st let me tell you that Sasuke is a unique character :

he is the combination of hashirama,orochimaru,Madara and even Hagoromo..


-why sasuke revolted?....

Sasuke revolted against the Senjus Dictatorship :


-most of the previous Hokages were from senju lineage :Hashirama ,Tobirama , tsunade...if naruto Uzumaki who is from senju leanage becomes hokage...that will confirm the theory of "Senju dicatatorship" or despotism (sorry if i used an exagerated term)...

- i think Madara and sasuke were right....why we never seen an uchiha become Hokage??...weren't there true uchihas suited for title of hokage?...Shisui, Kagami, Itachi??..

-instead of choosing itachi or shisui as hokages..we see them used like ANBU tools ...SASUKE WAS GODAMN RIGHT!!

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-hashirama undestood well that an uchiha memeber dizerves to be hokage...thats why he wanted madara to become one...

-like itachi says : " the leaf village has its dark side as well"...wich means do not only blame uchiha clan becuz the other clans and even senjus also created the dark past of konoha....

-Danzo is the best exemple of letting a konoha traitor rule over the village...and you telling me sasuke isn't right?..

 

[Hàdes1]

Great thread Minamoto.

I agree!

 

[RedShadow]

I thought since Itachi(One of my favourite NB people) thanked for your post it would be good, but seriously, Senju Dictatorship? You talk about stuff like Sasuke doing 50 Year old political ideals but you never really mentioned the very damn thing in your title, and your saying Naruto is from the Senju lineage? Haha... no.

Your answer to Uchihas not becoming Hokage is the next ones that were capable could not overtake Hiruzen, the 3rd Hokage, they died before they even had a chance, and also, Itachi and Shisui would not have wanted to become Hokage, remember, It is not someone who becomes Hokage to be respected, it is someone that is respected that become Hokage, though Shisui and Itachi were good, they did not have that good a reputation with Konoha.

 

[-ahhimane-]

How come Naruto is responsible for the "dark past" you speak of which Sasuke must delete before he becomes Hokage?
Lol

 

[Hàdes1]

I thought since Itachi(One of my favourite NB people) thanked for your post it would be good, but seriously, Senju Dictatorship? You talk about stuff like Sasuke doing 50 Year old political ideals but you never really mentioned the very damn thing in your title, and your saying Naruto is from the Senju lineage? Haha... no.

Your answer to Uchihas not becoming Hokage is the next ones that were capable could not overtake Hiruzen, the 3rd Hokage, they died before they even had a chance, and also, Itachi and Shisui would not have wanted to become Hokage, remember, It is not someone who becomes Hokage to be respected, it is someone that is respected that become Hokage, though Shisui and Itachi were good, they did not have that good a reputation with Konoha.

In All Honesty I didnt Read it All.

Just the Part SASUKE WAS GODDAME RIGHT!! Lol

 

[RedShadow]

In All Honesty I didnt Read it All.

Just the Part SASUKE WAS GODDAME RIGHT!! Lol

I don't really mind, I wrote that in like 2 Minutes

So you thanked the post because he put a picture of Itachi and Sasuke saying "He was the true Hokage"? Damn.. Minamoto knows his stuff.

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

Wow. I thought you were only a mere troll (that Tobidara thing, and such), but you also have good threads. Nice analysis.

I agree with you in pretty much everything. But, although Sasuke has a point (the previous system was indeed a dictatorship), we must keep in mind that all along the series it has been proved that a lack of balance between Yin and Yang leads to destruction. The previous system was pure Yang, and it collapsed, thus so will happen to Sasuke's system, which is pure Yin.

The perfect system would be one with a mix of Naruto's ideology and Sasuke's ideology.

 

[RedShadow]

Wow. I thought you were only a mere troll (that Tobidara thing, and such), but you also have good threads. Nice analysis.

I agree with you in pretty much everything. But, although Sasuke has a point (the previous system was indeed a dictatorship), we must keep in mind that all along the series it has been proved that a lack of balance between Yin and Yang leads to destruction. The previous system was pure Yang, and it collapsed, thus so will happen to Sasuke's system, which is pure Yin.

The perfect system would be one with a mix of Naruto's ideology and Sasuke's ideology.

You... You....

Are a genius! XD

 

[minamoto]

Wow. I thought you were only a mere troll (that Tobidara thing, and such), but you also have good threads. Nice analysis.

I agree with you in pretty much everything. But, although Sasuke has a point (the previous system was indeed a dictatorship), we must keep in mind that all along the series it has been proved that a lack of balance between Yin and Yang leads to destruction. The previous system was pure Yang, and it collapsed, thus so will happen to Sasuke's system, which is pure Yin.

The perfect system would be one with a mix of Naruto's ideology and Sasuke's ideology.

that's your problems NB memebers...i bull$hitted you with a sasuke revolution thread..and you took it as good thread..while you completly ignored the ultimate NB theory "TOBIDARA"...tobidara is my best theory...and i still believe it in it...i read manga well...im not stupid nor am i troll.....im mad really mad at you NB members...you dont know the value of artistic and badass threads such as tobidara

 

[minamoto]

Great thread Minamoto.

I agree!

thank you bro...its time for an uchiha to become hokage!

 

[minamoto]

In All Honesty I didnt Read it All.

Just the Part SASUKE WAS GODDAME RIGHT!! Lol

you got banned dude!!

 

[so12p]

There is no such thing as a senju dictatorship. Every village has there own kage and none but the leaf village have senju. None of the feudal lords are senju. Hiruzen and minamoto are not from the senju clan. The three senju hokage were elected and hashirama had the support of the Uchia's.


The only dictatorship in NV is the one suckske wants to create.

 

[minamoto]

There is no such thing as a senju dictatorship. Every village has there own kage and none but the leaf village have senju. None of the feudal lords are senju. Hiruzen and minamoto are not from the senju clan. The three senju hokage were elected and hashirama had the support of the Uchia's.


The only dictatorship in NV is the one suckske wants to create.

i dont agree with you

 

[Mr Hiru]

Good read. The only thing I disagree is the term 'dictatorship' because every Hokage in history were selected using democracy, ergo, your line of reasoning towards the term is a clear contradiction.

 

[minamoto]

Good read. The only thing I disagree is the term 'dictatorship' because every Hokage in history were selected using democracy, ergo, your line of reasoning towards the term is a clear contradiction.

to be honest i know what dictatorship means...but i just liked the term to be used on senjus

 

[Mr Hiru]

to be honest i know what dictatorship means...but i just liked the term to be used on senjus

But evidence on Senju's history speaks about they not wanting a dictatorship.

Hashirama initially wanted Madara to become the First Hokage

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The ones who decided over who would take the seat for the first Hokage were the people of Konohagakure and the Fire Country, using democracy.

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But then again, it was Hashirama again who wanted Madara to be Second Hokage

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...ergo, we can't pin the term 'dictatorship' on the Senju. There is evidence for the Senju wanting Uchiha become Hokage, or Hokage being selected by democracy. So it is quite the contrary to Senju's dictatorship.

That's what I can interpret from the facts inside manga.

Anyways, I kind of see your point in the matter, so I understand it, though I don't agree.

 

[minamoto]

But evidence on Senju's history speaks about they not wanting a dictatorship.

Hashirama initially wanted Madara to become the First Hokage

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The ones who decided over who would take the seat for the first Hokage were the people of Konohagakure and the Fire Country, using democracy.

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But then again, it was Hashirama again who wanted Madara to be Second Hokage

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...ergo, we can't pin the term 'dictatorship' on the Senju. There is evidence for the Senju wanting Uchiha become Hokage, or Hokage being selected by democracy. So it is quite the contrary to Senju's dictatorship.

That's what I can interpret from the facts inside manga.

Anyways, I kind of see your point in the matter, so I understand it, though I don't agree.

Mr Hiru we got senjus elected for hokage senjus while a senju clan never exists....and we got no uchiha elected hokage despite the uchiha clan existence...see what i mean?..this will just solidify my theory of the senjus despotism

 

[Mr Hiru]

Mr Hiru we got senjus elected for hokage senjus while a senju clan never exists....and we got no uchiha elected hokage despite the uchiha clan existence...see what i mean?..this will just solidify my theory of the senjus despotism

2 Senju were elected, that's all right, that's what I understand from your perspective.

But the flaw in your sentence relies in how were they been selected.

The Hokage were selected by PEOPLE, not by Senju. Ergo, it is not despotism nor dictatorship.

It is only democracy. I already proved it, it was the people's choice.

 

[minamoto]

i think i've already made thread about it