[Theory] The Semitic Connection: The Two Links;Light and Dark, Naruto and Sasuke

[Vega]

*shrug* Sure, you're the center of my world.

There really isn't much here to comment on, but I will say that what you are hitting on is less Kishimoto's attention to Semitism and more of the interesting commonalities across many spiritual, religious, and early mythologies.

It isn't that Kishimoto paid any attention to Semitism. It's that events in our early history were, apparently profound enough to influence thousands of years of migration and spiritual identity.

But there I go with unsupported theories and fanfiction, again.

You are one sad, interesting fellow indeed. I linked my case well in regards to the Manga. Anyways I don't want the thread to be filled with spam as I already responded to you in the other thread, so you posted your opinion and I thank you for that. Let's carry on with our lives now.

cool shit man

Thanks man!

 

[Aim64C]

You are one sad, interesting fellow indeed. I linked my case well in regards to the Manga.

You don't understand.

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Since you're familiar with the Biblical tale, I'll just quote the Chinese variety:

"The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world."

This all falls under what is called comparative mythology:

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Cross-Analysis of Eastern and Western folklore/myths/religions is still in its relative infancy as the language gap is steeper and the prevalence of Semitic/Sumerian/Egyptian legends in Japan is relatively small. Only some of the most common Eastern legends have been translated or the artwork given some notation for contextual interpretation.

For many people, this is the first time they would have heard of these tales from the origins of the Semitic and Abrahamic lineages, despite the fact they were likely raised Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Yet we all know about the story of Noah and the Ark, the story of Moses, etc. Similarly - there are a trove of Eastern customs, traditions, legends, and entities that have evaded the significance necessary to warrant proper translation and context for Western consumption.

Anyways I don't want the thread to be filled with spam as I already responded to you in the other thread, so you posted your opinion and I thank you for that. Let's carry on with our lives now.

You have far, far too much concern for your vanity.

People will know you for your actions more so than for your appearance. There's no doubt that you can be an intellectual resource, but your intolerance for criticism and your disdain for anything but praise will solidify your relationships as being a resource, and nothing more.

Your first step in fixing that is accepting that you cannot control what others will say about you, your ideas, or your actions.

 

[Vega]

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You don't understand.

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Since you're familiar with the Biblical tale, I'll just quote the Chinese variety:

"The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world."

This all falls under what is called comparative mythology:

You must be registered for see links

Cross-Analysis of Eastern and Western folklore/myths/religions is still in its relative infancy as the language gap is steeper and the prevalence of Semitic/Sumerian/Egyptian legends in Japan is relatively small. Only some of the most common Eastern legends have been translated or the artwork given some notation for contextual interpretation.

For many people, this is the first time they would have heard of these tales from the origins of the Semitic and Abrahamic lineages, despite the fact they were likely raised Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. Yet we all know about the story of Noah and the Ark, the story of Moses, etc. Similarly - there are a trove of Eastern customs, traditions, legends, and entities that have evaded the significance necessary to warrant proper translation and context for Western consumption.

You have far, far too much concern for your vanity.

People will know you for your actions more so than for your appearance. There's no doubt that you can be an intellectual resource, but your intolerance for criticism and your disdain for anything but praise will solidify your relationships as being a resource, and nothing more.

Your first step in fixing that is accepting that you cannot control what others will say about you, your ideas, or your actions.

Once again you've failed to state anything of value and are trying to allude back to the Chinese approach as that's the only way you can support your Hyuuga cult.

Goodness, there's more irony in that latter portion than if Lil Wayne were to say he's a genius. That's fine and dandy junior, but you yourself need to understand when something is relevant and when you need to kindly assert yourself away from the discussion. Ciao.

 

[Aim64C]

Once again you've failed to state anything of value and are trying to allude back to the Chinese approach as that's the only way you can support your Hyuuga cult.

Because Kishimoto would rush off and study a wide range of Semitic iconography (that have not been widely translated into Japanese) to put into a comic that debuts in Japan amongst hundreds of other comics, the overwhelming majority of which never see an official English adaptation, much less Western popularity.

Goodness, there's more irony in that latter portion than if Lil Wayne were to say he's a genius. That's fine and dandy junior, but you yourself need to understand when something is relevant and when you need to kindly assert yourself away from the discussion. Ciao.

I don't insist that you shut up.

I frequent forums because I enjoy discussing topics where disagreement is found, and I enjoy being the dissenting opinion. While I will not deny that, like any human, I find satisfaction in praise - I ultimately find it to be useless. I'm old enough to have had people praise my genius ahead of my failure. I'm also old enough to have seen people ridicule my efforts and solutions prior to my overwhelming success.

Of the two, praise is often the least constructive (there are exceptions, such as when someone postulates further on what could be derived from success - the farmer who understands the value of weather control beyond always having perfect weather on the weekends). Criticism, however, can almost always be constructive. It is gaining access to the perspectives, values, experience, and knowledge of other people free of charge. It is free consultation.

 

[FreeTanner17]

I don't get why people can't just read your findings and comment their thoughts briefly instead of turning your thread into a huge argument. If OP doesn't agree with your comment or rudeness then just back off. I thought the thread was way interesting. Lots of religious symbolism to ancient times.

 

[Vega]

Because Kishimoto would rush off and study a wide range of Semitic iconography (that have not been widely translated into Japanese) to put into a comic that debuts in Japan amongst hundreds of other comics, the overwhelming majority of which never see an official English adaptation, much less Western popularity.

Pffft, you under-estimate Kishi, and yet Kishi would be willing to incorporate Chinese ideas even though Japan is their biggest enemy right? Please, spare me the pity, he isn't an idiot.

I don't insist that you shut up.

I frequent forums because I enjoy discussing topics where disagreement is found, and I enjoy being the dissenting opinion. While I will not deny that, like any human, I find satisfaction in praise - I ultimately find it to be useless. I'm old enough to have had people praise my genius ahead of my failure. I'm also old enough to have seen people ridicule my efforts and solutions prior to my overwhelming success.

Of the two, praise is often the least constructive (there are exceptions, such as when someone postulates further on what could be derived from success - the farmer who understands the value of weather control beyond always having perfect weather on the weekends). Criticism, however, can almost always be constructive. It is gaining access to the perspectives, values, experience, and knowledge of other people free of charge. It is free consultation.

You see that's because I don't post a Shakespearean monologue every-time I post. So you're old enough to "realize" those things yet you still have the 5 year old mindset of seeking attention despite me explicitly stating that I no longer wish to converse with you? Gotcha. I cordially thank you for your input. Now please refrain from spamming the thread with personal indications, thank you.

 

[Aim64C]

Pffft, you under-estimate Kishi, and yet Kishi would be willing to incorporate Chinese ideas even though Japan is their biggest enemy right? Please, spare me the pity, he isn't an idiot.

Taoism and Buddhism are both very prominent in Japan.

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Calling Japan and China enemies is like calling the U.S. and Germany enemies (or the U.S. and Britain). It's true that the two are independent and that there are distinctions of culture and history - but there have been a lot of inherited cultures, styles, works, ideas, etc.

Now, if you want a group that is a little on the bitter side - that'd be Korea. They feel kind of like Poland - always getting marched through for some war or another. Hell, the Japanese cut down every tree on the peninsula before they left following the occupation during World War II. You can still see the trees planted in rows, there. It's kind of neat, because they planted cherry trees in rings around the mountains, so it's very pretty during the cherry blossom festivals, there.

But I digress.

You see that's because I don't post a Shakespearean monologue every-time I post. So you're old enough to "realize" those things yet you still have the 5 year old mindset of seeking attention despite me explicitly stating that I no longer wish to converse with you? Gotcha. I cordially thank you for your input. Now please refrain from spamming the thread with personal indications, thank you.

Whether you wish to or not, you are certainly willing to. Perhaps you should not be so quick to lecture people on self-control.

You, also, grievously misunderstand my intentions, if I could be said to have any other intentions than following a whim. A five year old will identify most readily with a five year old. There is nothing inherently wrong with that so long as both parties understand and desire to be five year olds.

It is the one who cannot control when he is a five year old, or is incapable of being a five year old when necessary, who is uncomfortable and in conflict with his self.

So, do I want your attention?

Sure. I would not bother speaking to you, otherwise.

But to what ends? To my benefit?

My benefit is just in talking. I'll admit I am curious to see what you will do with it, and it is interesting to see how you will develop because of it... but it's ultimately a passing whim. I have the desire to talk, and am fulfilling that desire. Soon, that whim will pass.

To say that I am completely free of arrogance is a bit of a lie. There will come a time in your life when you remember this conversation, and the things that I am saying will make a lot more sense to you, and be less insulting than you currently believe.

Though I shouldn't even say that. My words, and my identity, are not important to remember. It is the concepts that will provide what you will need.

But, as they say. All in good time.

 

[Vega]

Taoism and Buddhism are both very prominent in Japan.

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Calling Japan and China enemies is like calling the U.S. and Germany enemies (or the U.S. and Britain). It's true that the two are independent and that there are distinctions of culture and history - but there have been a lot of inherited cultures, styles, works, ideas, etc.

Now, if you want a group that is a little on the bitter side - that'd be Korea. They feel kind of like Poland - always getting marched through for some war or another. Hell, the Japanese cut down every tree on the peninsula before they left following the occupation during World War II. You can still see the trees planted in rows, there. It's kind of neat, because they planted cherry trees in rings around the mountains, so it's very pretty during the cherry blossom festivals, there.

But I digress.

As are many religions, but the foundation to where it was created is what matters in this case. Not really, Chinese and Japanese absolutely hate each other, I've spoken to many of each group on the matter. The Chinese cannot forgive the Japanese from their blood filled history with events like the Rape of Nanking.

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Whether you wish to or not, you are certainly willing to. Perhaps you should not be so quick to lecture people on self-control.

You, also, grievously misunderstand my intentions, if I could be said to have any other intentions than following a whim. A five year old will identify most readily with a five year old. There is nothing inherently wrong with that so long as both parties understand and desire to be five year olds.

It is the one who cannot control when he is a five year old, or is incapable of being a five year old when necessary, who is uncomfortable and in conflict with his self.

So, do I want your attention?

Sure. I would not bother speaking to you, otherwise.

But to what ends? To my benefit?

My benefit is just in talking. I'll admit I am curious to see what you will do with it, and it is interesting to see how you will develop because of it... but it's ultimately a passing whim. I have the desire to talk, and am fulfilling that desire. Soon, that whim will pass.

To say that I am completely free of arrogance is a bit of a lie. There will come a time in your life when you remember this conversation, and the things that I am saying will make a lot more sense to you, and be less insulting than you currently believe.

Though I shouldn't even say that. My words, and my identity, are not important to remember. It is the concepts that will provide what you will need.

But, as they say. All in good time.

Though I find most of the things you say subjective, this one may be superlative. I'd like to think of it that I'm good at discussion. A clear canvas has been painted for me based on your virtues. And I can bet you're curious, but if you are looking for anger of vilification then surely you have figured out by now I'm much more cohesive than that. All in all, this was a rather strange experience discussing these matters with you. Perhaps we shall encounter each other again in the near future.

 

[Aim64C]

As are many religions, but the foundation to where it was created is what matters in this case. Not really, Chinese and Japanese absolutely hate each other, I've spoken to many of each group on the matter. The Chinese cannot forgive the Japanese from their blood filled history with events like the Rape of Nanking.

I've been to both Japan and Korea. The reality is that money runs thicker than blood.

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The cultural animosity is largely up-played by politicians, just as it is in the Balkans. The individual people tend to be protective, but not outwardly hostile.

For Kishimoto to incorporate Taoism into Naruto is not, in the slightest, detrimental to his work or at odds with the cultural norm. Modern Shintoism -is- a hybrid of Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism that is used to give context to the legends that surround Shinto lore.

It is not even really seen as something foreign. Even many of the traditional Chinese dress, archetecture, etc have existed for so long in Japan that they are considered a native part of Japan.

Though I find most of the things you say subjective, this one may be superlative. I'd like to think of it that I'm good at discussion. A clear canvas has been painted for me based on your virtues. And I can bet you're curious, but if you are looking for anger of vilification then surely you have figured out by now I'm much more cohesive than that. All in all, this was a rather strange experience discussing these matters with you. Perhaps we shall encounter each other again in the near future.

That which was undone, has now been done.

I believe that is the proper context through which to view our conversation.

 

[Vega]

I've been to both Japan and Korea. The reality is that money runs thicker than blood.

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The cultural animosity is largely up-played by politicians, just as it is in the Balkans. The individual people tend to be protective, but not outwardly hostile.

For Kishimoto to incorporate Taoism into Naruto is not, in the slightest, detrimental to his work or at odds with the cultural norm. Modern Shintoism -is- a hybrid of Taoism, Buddhism, and Confucianism that is used to give context to the legends that surround Shinto lore.

It is not even really seen as something foreign. Even many of the traditional Chinese dress, archetecture, etc have existed for so long in Japan that they are considered a native part of Japan.

As does any nation in regards to business, nothing new; and as I never made the thread to discuss Taoism.

That which was undone, has now been done.
I believe that is the proper context through which to view our conversation.

Just one of many sayings eh? Well we will just leave it at this, good day to you then.

 

[uNkLeT Itachi]

Just one of many sayings eh? Well we will just leave it at this, good day to you then. [/QUOTE]

THIS.!!!:ilu:

 

[Vega]

THIS.!!!:ilu:]

lol.

I don't get why people can't just read your findings and comment their thoughts briefly instead of turning your thread into a huge argument. If OP doesn't agree with your comment or rudeness then just back off. I thought the thread was way interesting. Lots of religious symbolism to ancient times.

Thanks man, glad you liked it.