The Second Route to the Sage

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The Second Path to the Sage of Six Paths

Ok, before we begin I would like to point out my point of view. IMO Orochimaru and Kabuto are much more learned in the field of studying the Sage of Six Paths than Madara. Madara simply read the knowledge he had from the Uchiha tablet. Orochimaru without the help of the Gedo Mazo was able to perfect the cells of Hashirama, increase the power of the eyes placed in Danzo’s arm, created Danzo’s arm which balances the power of the Senju and the Uchiha. Orochimaru was even able to speculate the script of the line of the Uchiha tablet that Madara read which led him to the path to acquiring the Rinnengan. Literally speaking Orochimaru is a genius and his knowledge should not be taken lightly.

Now, I would like you to keep an open mind as you read this theory. First, I would like to point out an often overlooked inconsistency:
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Now I would like to ask you why would Kabuto who knows that the Uchiha and the Senju are the two main descendants of the Sage, who has worked with and fully explored the use of Hashirama cells, who like Orochimaru (or possibly better than Orochimaru thanks to DSM) can sense Hashirama cells, and knows that Rinnengan is the next step in the evolution in the Uchiha doujutsu think that he is the closest to the Sage of Six Paths when he already knows that Obito has MS and Hashirama cells??? Kabuto to our knowledge doesn’t even have Senju DNA??? TBH, I think I have found the answer, but before I do lets look back to the origin of the Sage’s power.

The Juubi
We all know the story of how Kaguya ate the fruit of the Shinjuu and gave birth to Hagoromo the So6P. The powers that Hagoromo possessed came directly from the Juubi and can even be seen in his main descendants today.

the Senju and the Uchiha

But, even with these it is evident to see that there are powers of the Juubi specifically of the body in other descendants as well, though in order to analyze them properly we have to view the Juubi in all its forms.
Mazo and Uzamaki
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Juubi Stage 1 and ???
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Full Juubi and Zetsu
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Shinjuu and Senju (Hashirama (Mokuton))
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Now if you would notice there is a clan left blank for Juubi at stage 1. Well looking at it closely the Juubi is stage one was in its most confrontational. It was berserk, ghastly, was earthen tone in color and shot its TBB in a wide wave rather than a focused beam like normal bijuu. Now when I say berserk let me clarify that no form of Juubi had a sound mind, but in all the later forms the Juubi was less frantic and in later forms the Juubi was shown to be able to aim over large distances and even recognize the TB chakra and Sage’s essence inside Naruto.
Of all the Clans with exceptional bodies no clan comes closer to this description than the Jyugo
Wave-like Beam
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Berserk Behavior
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Ghastly Appearance
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Even the Jyugo’s high affinity to Nature energy can be a trait inherited from the Juubi which is a being of pure Nature energy.
Still, what really cemented it for me is Madara’s appearance in recent chapters. His head VERY closely resembles the form Juugo undertook during the Five Kage Summit.
The Three Bodies
Each of these clans inherited a specific trait from the Sage’s younger son.
Uzamaki-Lifeforce and chains: the Uzamaki have an unparalleled life force enabling them to live much longer than other shinobi and their signature chains are a dead giveaway that their power is derived from the Mazo
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Jyugo-Body: The Juubi’s body is composed of Nature energy and if the So6P’s body inherited its powers from the Juubi without a doubt it would have an affinity for Nature Energy or a large amount of NE inside it. Much like this the body of the Jyugo clan have a high affinity for NE and can passively absorb NE.
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Zetsu
Zetsu are imperfect Hashirama replicas in other words imperfect senju cells, but even their abilities are related to the Juubi. In Full Juubi form the Juubi can produce innumerable clones and even do some wood style (though inferior to Hashirama
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Senju-Physical Energy: The Senju are known for their strong bodies, but in order to get a more accurate understanding by delving a little deeper. I believe that physical energy is the energy within the cells. High physical energy creates life, vitality, and strength. Hashirama the mightiest known Senju is can utilize his powerful physical energy combined with his water and earth natrure create Mokuton “wood release” and this strong body and his enormous chakra make SM easily attainable, and his SM enhanced physical energy produces his auto regen.

Of all these clans the Senju which resembles the Shinjuu are the closest representation of the power of the Sage’s as well as the Juubi’s full power as far as form. However though it is the closest representation that doesn’t mean that it is a perfect representation of the Sage’s body.
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My Theory

Looking back on the first question that I raised, which was why did Kabuto feel that he was the closest to the So6P. The answer can be found in the Uchiha Tablet. Madara read this:
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According to this translation given to us by Madara it tells us that God, seeking balance divided his powers to be yin and yang, and Madara took this as saying:
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But. if this portion of the Uchiha Tablet were written by the Sage or even the Sage's Elder son then why would they reference the Senju???
IMO What Madara and the Sage were really saying is that, the one who acheives the power of Yin (The Elder Son) and Yang (The Younger Son) shall achieve the power of God or the Sage.

The Uchiha and the Senju are the most prominent clans of the two brothers, and can therefore represent the forces of Yin and Yang, but if the power of the Younger Son was split into three bodies (a body of life force, a NE body, and the body of physical energy) then wouldn't that mean that there is more to the power of the Sage than we have seen?

This power is what I think Kabuto was talking about here:
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With the Power of the Jyugo and the Uzamaki, Kabuto possibly had two-thirds of the Sage's body, and if physical energy could be substituted then the physical energy Kabuto obtained form transplanting Orochimaru's cells might have actually given him the Sage's body.

This is also what I think Orochimaru was alluding to in this scan:
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Sasuke has Juugo's cells and chakra
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Hashirama's chakra
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And has the possibility of receiving Uzamaki chakra via Kabuto (sharing chakra)
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If Sasuke were to obtain the Power of the Uzamaki then Sasuke would achieve the unseen true power of the SO6P (without Juubi)
Thank you for reading :bye:
 
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Very good analysis, but how long did it take you to do this multi layered brick of text.
 

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Very good analysis, but how long did it take you to do this multi layered brick of text.
Typed it at work and only took me about an hour or so to put the scans and finishing touches on it once I got home.
 

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Super-thorough theory. I don't get to traverse NB very often, but it's refreshing to see something that is actually coherent and more than likely valid. What is most interesting is that this explicitly shows the dimensional function of yin and yang within the Narutoverse:

The eyes (one half of the true Sage potential; yin energy) develop vertically, sort of like movement along the y-axis of a cartesian plane. The other half, the body (yang energy) is separated into the three bodies horizontally, similar to the x-axis...

Thanks for creating this; dope and thought-provoking. Keep it up.
 

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Super-thorough theory. I don't get to traverse NB very often, but it's refreshing to see something that is actually coherent and more than likely valid. What is most interesting is that this explicitly shows the dimensional function of yin and yang within the Narutoverse:

The eyes (one half of the true Sage potential; yin energy) develop vertically, sort of like movement along the y-axis of a cartesian plane. The other half, the body (yang energy) is separated into the three bodies horizontally, similar to the x-axis...

Thanks for creating this; dope and thought-provoking. Keep it up.

Thanks, that's pretty much what I was going for.
 

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If this was the case for the younger son, one wonders if something similar is with the older son and hyuga clan. Anyway cool theory 10/10
 

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If this was the case for the younger son, one wonders if something similar is with the older son and hyuga clan. Anyway cool theory 10/10
IMO the Elder brother's doujutsu was simply a singular form of EMS. All the power of EMS, but one original set of eyes.
Also, IMO what makes the Sharingan the eye of the Sage is that it develops based of the different reactions in the chakra of the user. The Byakugan doesn't develop.
 
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Cross-post from the group:

Interesting theory, if this came to fruition what type of power do you think Sasuke would awaken by having all three Yang components (Juugo, Karin, Hashirama) and his own Yin component?

I'm once again reminded of Kabuto's statement to Obito about him requiring a young Uchiha (Sasuke), to learn about the "truth of Ninjutsu". I always found it a little odd that even after learning of the secrets of the Rinnegan's origin, Kabuto (and subsequently Orochimaru) still sought out this "truth".

If Sasuke were to surpass Madara's current form, this would be a logical way of going about it.
If this was the case for the younger son, one wonders if something similar is with the older son and hyuga clan. Anyway cool theory 10/10
It's possible, but I have my doubts. I think the Hyuuga clan are simply irrelevant.
 

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Bro its like you are reading my mind O__O
I mean i was discussing this in a French forum with a friend , and we couldn't really comprehend what Kabuto meant , but you just answered it very well , +rep

Edit : Too bad i can't rep you :( , but i thanked the post.
 

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Bro its like you are reading my mind O__O
I mean i was discussing this in a French forum with a friend , and we couldn't really comprehend what Kabuto meant , but you just answered it very well , +rep

Edit : Too bad i can't rep you :( , but i thanked the post.

:sweat: thanks, Kabuto being the closest to the Sage was something I gloss over until last week.
 
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What kishi should've done is made a bigger deal when Sasuke got juugos power when he got back up he should've been like 'I suddenly feel stronger than before' or something idk something that indicates what jugo did gave him more than just flesh and healing
 

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Wait this would make sense for Sasukes power up. Kabuto has to give him something. If not how're they gonna beat madara? Naruto w kurama is not the solution
 

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What kishi should've done is made a bigger deal when Sasuke got juugos power when he got back up he should've been like 'I suddenly feel stronger than before' or something idk something that indicates what jugo did gave him more than just flesh and healing

Wait this would make sense for Sasukes power up. Kabuto has to give him something. If not how're they gonna beat madara? Naruto w kurama is not the solution
Yeah, he really should have made a bigger deal of it, I mean Juugo's DNA was what allowed Kabuto to use DSM. If this really is gonna be Sasuke's power up a lot of ppl will cry asspull, butKishi has been using the Juubi to foreshadow this all along.
 

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Typed it at work and only took me about an hour or so to put the scans and finishing touches on it once I got home.

Slacking at the job only to create this masterpiece!!! I commend you sir!
 

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If Sasuke had already acquired the Jyuugo clans body power, he wouldn't have needed Jyuugo to perform a Senjutsu Susaano'o.

Sasuke isn't able to absorb natural energy and can't use sage mode. So he simply cannot become the 'Sage' of six paths. As simple as that.

What Sasuke received was merely flesh from Jyuugo to help heal him, and there is a lack of power upgrade of sage mode through that.

Kudos to the amount of effort and thought process you put into this though. :)
 
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If Sasuke had already acquired the Jyuugo clans body power, he wouldn't have needed Jyuugo to perform a Senjutsu Susaano'o.

Sasuke isn't able to absorb natural energy and can't use sage mode. So he simply cannot become the 'Sage' of six paths. As simple as that.

What Sasuke received was merely flesh from Jyuugo to help heal him, and there is a lack of power upgrade of sage mode through that.

Kudos to the amount of effort and thought process you put into this though. :)
You could be right, it could be nothing, just like the chakra from Hashirama could end up being nothing, however it could be one of those things that just have yet to awaken or only becomes active when one has all the pieces. If Kishi is planning a power up for Sasuke, the way he has developed the situation, I personally think this is the most logical option.
 
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