[Discussion] The Science of Smoke, And Smokers Potential

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The science of smoke, and Smokers potential.

Hello everybody. In this thread I’ll be going over about how Smoker has been handled, the logic of smoke, and his future potential abilities.

How Smoker has been handled.
One Piece imo is a 10/10 manga, but one of my biggest gripes is how Smoker has been handled. He’s only ever taken out fodders, those of which were handled off screen, and whenever he steps to an actually strong character, he gets beat hysterically, and often times in 1 chapter. I dislike that and feel that he, well, hasn’t been nerfed per say, but hasn’t made any progress either, aside from obtaining Amour haki. But understand I am not saying he is weak! Smoker is very powerful! He just has not gotten a chance to go all the way out yet, on screen, and show us what he can really do. Plus the full extent of his abilities have not yet been realized.

Now, before we go into the science of smoke, let’s understand that the Moku Moku fruit is a fruit of strategy and tactic, rather than destruction, and that characters develop attacks based on their personality complexes. Smoker, who has earned himself the nickname ‘The White Hunter’ has developed a majority of his attacks around seizing an opponent in their tracks and capturing them as a hunter does. But when you’re constantly having your prey escape the grasp of your hands by the shadow of a hair and getting being beaten by high-tier opponents, there comes a time when you have to start going on the offensive. So with that being said, let’s dive into the science of the Moku Moku fruit.


The Science of Smoke
First of all, I’d just like to point out a general characteristic of smoke; it makes people cough. A huge issue I have with Oda’s handling of this ability is that nobody ever seems to have an issue with inhaling smoke into their lungs. In fact, smoke can be just dangerous as, if not more dangerous, than poison because it’s not something your body can be trained to develop an immunity to. He has not taken advantage of this effect to disrupt a persons breathing pattern in battle, which is quite frustrating considering it’s an effect that should automatically take place when his smoke is released.

Moving on, let’s define what smoke is.
Smoke is a collection of tiny solid, liquid and gas particles. Although smoke can contain many different chemicals and fumes, visible smoke is mostly carbon (soot), tar, oils and ash. This is the primary form of smoke that Smoker uses, visible smoke.

Smoke occurs during incomplete combustion (when there is not enough oxygen to burn a fuel completely). So in essence, smoke can exist without oxygen, which baffled me when he passed out during the confrontation with Caesar. When incomplete combustion occurs, not everything is burned… smoke is the collection of these tiny, unburned particles. Each particle is too small to see, but when they come together, you see them as smoke.

Other dangers of smoke are that it contains flammable compounds. In areas of high oxygen, these compounds can be ignited through a flame, or their own high temperature. Smoke also obscures visibility, making it difficult to evacuate from it’s cover, and cause more damage to buildings than flames or heat.

REASSASSMENT AND FINAL CONCLUSION OF THE MOKU MOKU FRUIT.
So now let’s reassess the function of the Moku Moku Fruit. This ability grants the user complete control over the element of smoke, as well as turning into it. It activates itself by the user manifesting particles of debris from the air, and forming it into whatever they want to. This is very advantageous, as debris is inescapable… it’s everywhere on earth. This makes a nod back to what I said before about it being a fruit of strategy and tactic rather than destruction. Smoke does not destruct. It constructs out of destructed particles and forms a visible, foggy, dangerous substance known as ‘smoke’. So, knowing this we can conclude that the prowess of Smokers abilities increase with the destruction bought on in a battle.

Now the most exciting part, which I encourage contributions for! Smokers future potential abilities.

Smoke Stream
I got this idea from learning about the jet streams of water and the damage they’re capable of doing… did you know they can even tear through steel? Well a similar move can be applied to smoke where he sets his hands at the target, opens his palms, and fires a stream of smoke as fast as he can, with the highest level of density. This would be a 1 shotter of course, considering it would decimate anything in it’s way.

White Javelin
He creates a javelin out of smoke, increases the density to the point of piercing, and fires away.

Smoke Bomb
Creates a cluster of smoke and fires it at an opponents like various Fishman did with their water dripplets.


Particle Eruption
Smoker sneaks up on his opponent, creates a smoke bomb, and ignites it with his lighter. If successful, it will explode at point blank range. This will only work in areas of high oxygen.

Smoke Shield
A shield he could make out of strong density. It wouldn't be used for defending against large scale attacks, like say Gomu Gomu Elephant Gun, but would have a status effect of exploding when hit, and blurring the opponents senses.

Smoker Explosion
Smoker gathers up all smoke he can inside of his body and explodes himself, releasing clouds of smoke in all direction. This would be an extreme status effecter, obscuring vision, breathing, smell, and sense of touch.

White Wolves
Smoker has associated himself with popular animal hunters as well, such as snakes, with his attack named 'white snake'. It's the ability he used in Alabarna where he turns his hand completely into smoke, increases the density of it, and makes it pursue an opponent. It does not stop moving until it captures them.

So with the timeskip and all his abilities moving up a notch, I think this ability will be upgraded to a more cunning sinister predator, wolves, giving it the name White Wolves. With this attack, he turns not one, but both of his hands into smoke and form them into wolves. They will be an upgrade by becoming faster, reaching further than the White Snake, and grasping at the target harder once they are captured. Now it would be kind of pointless to have 2 predators going after the same prey, so one arm would be for capturing and securing, and the second could be for running into them and exploding so that they won't escape.
All of the abilities listed here are things he can already do really, but just has not yet shown in the manga.

Thank you for reading and hope you enjoyed! If you noticed a mistake please notify me of it, I'll correct it asap.
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Nyc FINALLY someone to appreciate smoker! haven't read it all but reading it :D
 

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Unfortunately he hasn't been explored too much since Punk Hazard, and probably won't be until they actually go up against Kaido.
 

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Wow dude this some serious effort from your part. I really hope some of those potential abilities u mention are used by oda in futher development of smoker. They r badass n awesome. He is fav marine after grap so i really hope he gets stronger n beat fodders as well as main charater but not Strawhats.
 

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I only like the last 3
Smoke Shield is like the clouds from skypia, so I can see it happening
Smoke explosion, blowing yourself up dispersing smoke everywhere and attacking like Monet :win:
White wolves, I like foundation , but seeing how they r smoke I am doubtful to how much bite you'll get out of it. I'd much rather see clones
 

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Only problem with the White Stream or Javelin is the sheer amount of pressure and density you'd need to put the smoke under.... honestly from what Smoker's shown... that won't happen.

As for the Ceasar moment, Smoke technically can exist when there is no oxygen (since it is a gas form of carbon and water assuming we burn organic substances); however, it can also be said that smoke cannot be generated whilst there is no Oxygen. If no Oxygen exists, a fire cannot start. Thus smoke cannot be created.

In that regards, Smoker is stuck however he is. Scientifically he could no longer continue creation of smoke. Furthermore, remember that while Elements... they are still also human. Also note that Tashigi was in Smoker's body and was maintaining a human form (so no real smoke mode). And honestly if you go in too far... you ask yourself why they all pass out in mere seconds and do nothing but hold their throats... one can still move while holding his/her breath.


The only real aspect I could see coming from Smoker is an aspect of heat with smoke. Being that smoke is typically associated with something that is burning or being evaporated into the air, the smoke itself can have a temperature to it. The best example I'd give you is Smoke from Mortal Kombat (notably MK11). Other than that I'd say he should be able to generate smoke that isn't his body, and use his status as smoke to be able to maneuver upon anyone in his territory.
 

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I only like the last 3
Smoke Shield is like the clouds from skypia, so I can see it happening
Smoke explosion, blowing yourself up dispersing smoke everywhere and attacking like Monet :win:
White wolves, I like foundation , but seeing how they r smoke I am doubtful to how much bite you'll get out of it. I'd much rather see clones
Smoke Clones? It'snot impossible but would be copying off of Mr. 3. He did that before in Little Garden as a last ditch effort to defeat Luffy, and he punched right through the original based off his instincts.

The twist would be exploding on contact I guess, which would basically be multiple smoke bombs. And could you post the page Monet used a similar ability to smoke bomb?
 

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I hate it when people try and put science with One Piece :|
I think by now it's obvious Oda isn't going down this whole science possibilities with DF's otherwise he would have done it by now. Like you said about the Smoker not being knocked out by Clown bit. The closest we have got to our world science being in OP is with Luffys G2.

Although, have to give you credit for the but you said about the MMnM not being a fruit for destruction but for confusion and tactics. Great way of summing the fruit up ;)
 

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Just saying, 'high density' smoke doesn't float. Infact high density smoke defies the definition of smoke.
 

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Only problem with the White Stream or Javelin is the sheer amount of pressure and density you'd need to put the smoke under.... honestly from what Smoker's shown... that won't happen.

As for the Ceasar moment, Smoke technically can exist when there is no oxygen (since it is a gas form of carbon and water assuming we burn organic substances); however, it can also be said that smoke cannot be generated whilst there is no Oxygen. If no Oxygen exists, a fire cannot start. Thus smoke cannot be created.
This does not apply 100% of the time, but in this situation that might be an explanation.

But generally speaking, some materials contain their own oxidizer, so no oxygen is needed. Similar to gunpowder. Or in vapor deposition (but that couldn't have happened with those temperatures).

In that regards, Smoker is stuck however he is. Scientifically he could no longer continue creation of smoke. Furthermore, remember that while Elements... they are still also human. Also note that Tashigi was in Smoker's body and was maintaining a human form (so no real smoke mode). And honestly if you go in too far... you ask yourself why they all pass out in mere seconds and do nothing but hold their throats... one can still move while holding his/her breath.
But yeah this is true, I forgot that their bodies were swapped.


The only real aspect I could see coming from Smoker is an aspect of heat with smoke. Being that smoke is typically associated with something that is burning or being evaporated into the air, the smoke itself can have a temperature to it. The best example I'd give you is Smoke from Mortal Kombat (notably MK11). Other than that I'd say he should be able to generate smoke that isn't his body, and use his status as smoke to be able to maneuver upon anyone in his territory.
Awesome proposal and nicely explained! I actually left that part out of the OP by accident but yeah I had a lot of ideas about the mixing of heat and smoke.

But could you post an example of what you mean from mk11?
 

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Just saying, 'high density' smoke doesn't float. Infact high density smoke defies the definition of smoke.
It don't understand what you mean by defy the definition but yes it does make smoke float.

And it's hard to explain what I'm trying to say, but what I mean is Smoker doing that thing he usually does where he makes the smoke stick together, and make it extremely thick like it does have high density but still makes it float. He actually is defying the definition of high density smoke but I guess the moku moku fruit just allows him to do that.

like right here. ->
 

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Haven't read it yet but im planning to. Had to stop at "Smoker hasn't made any progress" i disagree with that. Look at the people Oda is pitting Smoker against

Ace (seriously?)
Doflamingo (again, seriously?)
Vergo
Law (rivals Luffy+hax DF)
Boa Hancock

Everyone he's been fighting are either leagues above him and Luffy or simply hax. Sometimes both. Vs Law was a straight humiliating loss though lol.


At this point Smoker is just a punching dummy that gets punched around in order to hype up other characters.

Smoker will get his "Garp vs Chinjao" moment eventually.
 

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Haven't read it yet but im planning to. Had to stop at "Smoker hasn't made any progress" i disagree with that. Look the people Oda is pitting Smoker against

Ace (seriously?)
Doflamingo (again, seriously?)
Vergo
Law (rivals Luffy+hax DF)
Boa Hancock
Not including Ace and Boa, those were both off screen and I'm only talking about part 2.
I don't think he really 'fought' Doflamingo, but just got beat, really bad... did you see his condition afterwards, and then Doffs? Vergo was an off screen fight too, and he took a beating (though he did get in some hits). But that's a really touchy fight thats hard to make a conclusion on since his objective wasn't to win and he was deliberately taking hits.

Overall if he actually has made progress it's really hard to tell, but hey, he might have. All of his battles have been off screen or extremely vague except for one, and that was with Law which was a pretty fair fight. I just think that fight was waaay too short.

Everyone he's been fighting are either leagues above him and Luffy or simply hax. Sometimes both. Vs Law was a straight humiliating loss though lol.

Smoker will get his "Garp vs Chinjao" moment eventually.
but that i agree with... his moment is coming soon. =D
 

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Smoker is too badass for a marine, even back-talking to his higher ups Lol

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I hate it when people try and put science with One Piece :|
I think by now it's obvious Oda isn't going down this whole science possibilities with DF's otherwise he would have done it by now. Like you said about the Smoker not being knocked out by Clown bit. The closest we have got to our world science being in OP is with Luffys G2.

Although, have to give you credit for the but you said about the MMnM not being a fruit for destruction but for confusion and tactics. Great way of summing the fruit up ;)
Agreed, he wouldn't go as far to involve a lot of science in Smoker's DF.
 

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Agreed, he wouldn't go as far to involve a lot of science in Smoker's DF.

Science with One Piece all together.
People just seem to glance over this fact though. As I said, the closest Oda has ever got to our worldly science is with Luffys G2 and even that wouldn't be possible for us to do. I don't get why people presume science in a world with magic fruits, 7 moons and sea monsters is the same as ours.
 
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