The sage of six path may not be an uzumaki

[Meowazziel]

I added 'may' because it has not been revealed as to which clan the sage actually belongs also because I don't want to get trolled by kishi and actually I agree 50% he is an uzumaki but what made me to also disagree 50% is thr fact that people say all uzumaki had red hair and the sage has another color of hair

The Uzumaki clan leader his hair was light (probably white).
Nagato his hair turned white after using his powers to much.
The sage his hair could have turned white, just as happened with above uzumaki.

do you know the meaning of the word jutsu ??

Taijutsu has the word jutsu as well, big deal xd.

sorry but all of these points are really silly to me ..... i saw them before (and they are valid) but are more like trying to prove something that has no purpose and actually it raises more questions. look at my other post and you will understand, but first please answer this if the so6p was a mere uzumaki, then how did he manage to seal the juubi (a creator and destroyer of worlds) without his godly power and rinnegan ?? with what sealling tecks ?? don't get me wrong this is a great theory but it is only a theory, flawed and has mistakes (gaps)

Mito was able to seal Kurama (a being with hatred and feelings, unlike Juubi) without any godlike powers like Rinnegan. The Juubi doesnt even have ideals, he doesnt have feelings, so he lacks anger and hatred. This is not your typical opponent that wants to kill you. Sure Juubi's power is immense, but the lacking of ideals and feelings, most likely makes it easier to seal inside you. I consider Juubi to be sealable without Rinnegan, by an Uzumaki for those reasons. Most certainly the seal Naruto used, is one of the seals, that the sage used to become the Juubi's host. Kurama recognized that seal in relation to the sage and this seal is an Uzumaki seal. This seal has been used by the sage. Naruto doesnt take on the sage his appearance (horn like hairr) for nothing either.

What parts do you consider mistakes and gaps in the theory about the sage being an uzumaki?

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I added 'may' because it has not been revealed as to which clan the sage actually belongs also because I don't want to get trolled by kishi and actually I agree 50% he is an uzumaki but what made me to also disagree 50% is thr fact that people say all uzumaki had red hair and the sage has another color of hair

the hair color is not a strong proof bro, naruto was born with yellow hair and he is an uzomaki (not pure), the same could apply to the so6p (if he was an uzumaki), i don't care about the hair color and never considered it. SO6P is the beginning of shinobi (origin) so shinobi and jutsu didn't exist before him, no sealling jutsu or any other jutsu. this hall obsession about the so6p's origin is pointless, what does it even prove ??

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Mito was able to seal Kurama (a being with hatred and feelings, unlike Juubi) without any godlike powers like Rinnegan. The Juubi doesnt even have ideals, he doesnt have feelings, so he lacks anger and hatred. This is not your typical opponent that wants to kill you. Sure Juubi's power is immense, but the lacking of ideals and feelings, most likely makes it easier to seal inside you. I consider Juubi to be sealable without Rinnegan, by an Uzumaki for those reasons. Most certainly the seal Naruto used, is one of the seals, that the sage used to become the Juubi's host. Kurama recognized that seal in relation to the sage and this seal is an Uzumaki seal. This seal has been used by the sage. Naruto doesnt take on the sage his appearance (horn like hairr) for nothing either.

What parts do you consider mistakes and gaps in the theory about the sage being an uzumaki?

do you even know the circumstances of sealing the kyuubi inside mito ?? and why did you even bring up kurama (you cannot compare kurama to the juubi) ?? the juubi is a destroyer of worlds and to tell me that one uzumaki went out there and managed to seal the REAL full juubi is silly. and your feeling thing being easier to seal is also a theory ..... this is a mess

all what the uzumaki have in common with so6p means they learned it from him, it doesn't mean that he was one of them

 

[Memoria]

Gotta love the thread tittle. xd

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

by your logic naruto isn't an uzumaki. Stop saying these things.

No not at all it by the public's logic that I made this thread.the public said uzumaki clan has red hair and the manga also defined them with red hair so may tittle said if it a must that all uzumaki members have red hair then the sage who has no red hair(but some say he may have red hair in his prime) is may not be an uzumaki

 

[Meowazziel]

do you even know the circumstances of sealing the kyuubi inside mito ?? and why did you even bring up kurama (you cannot compare kurama to the juubi) ?? the juubi is a destroyer of worlds and to tell me that one uzumaki went out there and managed to seal the REAL full juubi is silly. and your feeling thing being easier to seal is also a theory ..... this is a mess

Kurama was a godlike being WITH feelings, including hatred. A combination like godlike being + feelings and even hatred, makes a creature quite dangerous, cause it will be no doubt be directed at someone. If you lack feelings, including hatred, than how do you direct your massive power on people, on targets? That is why i brought it up and to show that a single person, even though the circumstances are not known, is capable of sealing the full power of a bijou like Kurama in herself.

Than facts exist that strengthen the theory, like Kurama recognizing Naruto's seal(an uzumaki seal) in relation to the sage and Naruto taking on the appearance of the sage (the hornlike hair) when using his bijou modes. Uzumaki being required as host for Kurama and not Senju.

Anyway, it will probably be revealed in the end, so lets wait and see

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

the hair color is not a strong proof bro, naruto was born with yellow hair and he is an uzomaki (not pure), the same could apply to the so6p (if he was an uzumaki), i don't care about the hair color and never considered it. SO6P is the beginning of shinobi (origin) so shinobi and jutsu didn't exist before him, no sealling jutsu or any other jutsu. this hall obsession about the so6p's origin is pointless, what does it even prove ??

Actually I was not saying or opposing to those who say he is an uzumaki

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Kurama is a godlike being WITH hatred and feelings. A combination like godlike being + feelings and even hatred, makes a creature quite dangerous. If you lack feelings, including hatred, than how do you direct your massive power on the target? That is why i brought it up. Than facts exist that strengthen the theory, like Kurama recognizing Naruto's seal in relation to the sage and Naruto taking on the appearance of the sage (the hornlike hair) when using his bijou modes.

naruto looking like so6p with the horns is simply a silly (cheesy) look for him that says LOOK HERE COMES THE NEW SAVIOR like how the so6p saved the nations. am not attacking you or anything but please when you debate about a theory don't use ANOTHER theory to back it up also mentioning mito was not valid AT ALL (hashirama suppresed the kyuubi then mito sealed it). Now i wan't you to answer only this question with logic, do you think a mere uzumaki can go alone and seal the real full juubi simply by using sealing jutsu ?? remember minato who used his strongest sealing jutsu (reaper) and still managed to seal only half of the kyuubi inside himself, and please save me the feeling theory (bijuus are harder to seal depending on their power not feelings, that would make more sense) and give me something valid

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Actually I was not saying or opposing to those who say he is an uzumaki

i know bro but your not sure (leaning to the opposite), so the fact that you made this thread means that you kinda don't agree

 

[lol99]

naruto looking like the sage is not a coincidence

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i dont believe in coincidences

 

[Meowazziel]

Now i wan't you to answer only this question with logic, do you think a mere uzumaki can go alone and seal the real full juubi simply by using sealing jutsu ??

remember minato who used his strongest sealing jutsu (reaper) and still managed to seal only half of the kyuubi inside himself,

give me something valid

If you consider it valid is a different case, but here goes:

Kurama being supressed or not, Mito was capable of sealing Kurama (100% of Kurama) inside herself.
Kurama has been sealed completely inside Kushina as well.
Apparently Minato is not capable enough to seal Kurama completely in someone, unlike others who can(among those others happened to be Uzumaki).

In order to seal a bijou inside of you, you need several things.
Your body and chakra, needs to be strong enough to host the bijou.
You need a sealing jutsu capable of sealing the bijou and keeping it inside of you.
(the only known people to survive extraction from a bijou are uzumaki as well btw, and the sage survived extraction of the Juubi).

If several normal people can be hosts to some of the 9 bijou and several normal people can seal them inside, why shouldnt Uzumaki(a body and chakra that might have been obtained to training as monks, but that aside) not be able to seal the Juubi? We know he had loads of sealing weapons(among them the Kinkaku and Ginkaku weapons) and that he had sealing jutsu. He had a sword and special staff, as shown on the pictures of him. His name sage of the six paths, implies a sage mode as well. We all know what immense powers sage mode can grant.

Wouldnt it be weird, if the Juubi is the progenitor, the creator, and that the sage of the six paths, came down from the heavens to stop the progenitor, the creator? That sounds like nonsense to me. What we do know, is that someone managed to turn himself into the Juubi's host and if he didnt come from the heavens, than he came from the world itself.

Tbh, I actually secretly hoped the sage was some evil person with sharingan, who gained MS/EMS and reached Rinnegan at a certain stage. Someone who had regret his life and became a better person near his death. Seperating the Juubi into 9 beasts, trying to redeem himself etc. However the Juubi seems to have a tomoe sharingan-rinnegan (unless this is shown in its eye due to Obito and Madara controlling Juubi). Juubi being the holder of the eyes kinda killed that theory (cause i find it unlikely that both the sage and the Juubi where holders of those eyes, but who knows, maybe juubi created the sage by some weird twist. With Kishi, you often get surprised).

naruto looking like the sage is not a coincidence

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i dont believe in coincidences

Same for me
and I want to say, your sig is awesome.

 

[mikeeozua]

You dont need to have red hair to be an uzumaki, look at gaara and sasori

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

If you consider it valid is a different case, but here goes:

Kurama being supressed or not, Mito was capable of sealing Kurama (100% of Kurama) inside herself.
Kurama has been sealed completely inside Kushina as well.
Apparently Minato is not capable enough to seal Kurama completely in someone, unlike others who can(among those others happened to be Uzumaki).

In order to seal a bijou inside of you, you need several things.
Your body and chakra, needs to be strong enough to host the bijou.
You need a sealing jutsu capable of sealing the bijou and keeping it inside of you.
(the only known people to survive extraction from a bijou are uzumaki as well btw, and the sage survived extraction of the Juubi).

If several normal people can be hosts to some of the 9 bijou and several normal people can seal them inside, why shouldnt Uzumaki(a body and chakra that might have been obtained to training as monks, but that aside) not be able to seal the Juubi? We know he had loads of sealing weapons(among them the Kinkaku and Ginkaku weapons) and that he had sealing jutsu. He had a sword and special staff, as shown on the pictures of him. His name sage of the six paths, implies a sage mode as well. We all know what immense powers sage mode can grant.

Wouldnt it be weird, if the Juubi is the progenitor, the creator, and that the sage of the six paths, came down from the heavens to stop the progenitor, the creator? That sounds like nonsense to me. What we do know, is that someone managed to turn himself into the Juubi's host and if he didnt come from the heavens, than he came from the world itself.

Tbh, I actually secretly hoped the sage was some evil person with sharingan, who gained MS/EMS and reached Rinnegan at a certain stage. Someone who had regret his life and became a better person near his death. Seperating the Juubi into 9 beasts, trying to redeem himself etc. However the Juubi seems to have a tomoe sharingan-rinnegan (unless this is shown in its eye due to Obito and Madara controlling Juubi). Juubi being the holder of the eyes kinda killed that theory (cause i find it unlikely that both the sage and the Juubi where holders of those eyes, but who knows, maybe juubi created the sage by some weird twist. With Kishi, you often get surprised).

hehe lol lets leave it at that since you didn't really add anything, uzumaki are really good hosts but that means that they got that trait from the so6p. the so6p coming down from the heavens is not really silly (your trying to put logic in something .... mythical) also the juubi and the so6p are linked and having the same eyes is not really that weird coz both shaped the world we are seeing now in this series. the so6p ability to separate the juubi shows that this man had so much knowledge (a god and not a mere shinobi) coz there is no way a shinobi can have a hand in the juubi, not seal it, destroy it or create it (you must be more to do that) unless that person was already more and faced the juubi knowing what he was doing (uzumaki don't have that ability or knowledge to separate a tailed beast, its something only a god can achieve). and you used his weapons as a back up proof but if he used them against the juubi then where did they come from (are they uzumaki tools ? then there should be more) ?? also his tools are the ultimate sealing tools as stated. everything about this guy is so mythical and says that he wasn't a normal person, thats why he is considered a MYTH in the shinobi world coz they don't understand how can someone with such power exist and seal the juubi (while they know uzumaki and what they do).
anyways its cool .....

 

[YellowFlash1]

I actually believe that is he an Ukumaki.

I actually read an interesting theory the other week, which seemed pretty solid.

However, everyone is initiated to there opinion.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

the hair color is not a strong proof bro, naruto was born with yellow hair and he is an uzomaki (not pure), the same could apply to the so6p (if he was an uzumaki), i don't care about the hair color and never considered it. SO6P is the beginning of shinobi (origin) so shinobi and jutsu didn't exist before him, no sealling jutsu or any other jutsu. this hall obsession about the so6p's origin is pointless, what does it even prove ??

Jutsu means “technique” . The sage created ninjutsu, not everything that has the word jutsu in it

 

[mikeeozua]

You dont need to have red hair to be an uzumaki, look at gaara and sasori

Sorry came out wrong, what i meant was gaara and sasori have red hair yet their not uzuamkis

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

hehe lol lets leave it at that since you didn't really add anything, uzumaki are really good hosts but that means that they got that trait from the so6p. the so6p coming down from the heavens is not really silly (your trying to put logic in something .... mythical) also the juubi and the so6p are linked and having the same eyes is not really that weird coz both shaped the world we are seeing now in this series. the so6p ability to separate the juubi shows that this man had so much knowledge (a god and not a mere shinobi) coz there is no way a shinobi can have a hand in the juubi, not seal it, destroy it or create it (you must be more to do that) unless that person was already more and faced the juubi knowing what he was doing (uzumaki don't have that ability or knowledge to separate a tailed beast, its something only a god can achieve). and you used his weapons as a back up proof but if he used them against the juubi then where did they come from (are they uzumaki tools ? then there should be more) ?? also his tools are the ultimate sealing tools as stated. everything about this guy is so mythical and says that he wasn't a normal person, thats why he is considered a MYTH in the shinobi world coz they don't understand how can someone with such power exist and seal the juubi (while they know uzumaki and what they do).
anyways its cool .....

The Juubi was the god. When the sage sealed the Juubi inside him, he became god.. Get it. That is what was stated in the manga. Do you really believe the sage came from the heavens? He was just the first to understand how ninjustu worked. When he sealed the juubi, he aquired god-like powers (likely the rinnegan) and thus created things with creation of all things. When he seperated the juubi from his body, he didn't lose his abilities and with creation of all things created the bijuus and the moon. Every god-like feat he pulled off was when he became the 10 tails jinchuuriki. It's the juubi's power that made him a god.

 

[BEASTLY NARUTO]

The Juubi was the god. When the sage sealed the Juubi inside him, he became god.. Get it. That is what was stated in the manga. Do you really believe the sage came from the heavens? He was just the first to understand how ninjustu worked. When he sealed the juubi, he aquired god-like powers (likely the rinnegan) and thus created things with creation of all things. When he seperated the juubi from his body, he didn't lose his abilities and with creation of all things created the bijuus and the moon. Every god-like feat he pulled off was when he became the 10 tails jinchuuriki. It's the juubi's power that made him a god.

+almost every thing the sage has done up till this new generation is also connected to the juubi e.g thr renin,physical strength,e.t.c

 

[Unbiased King]

I die a little inside when I see threads that claim SO6P was an Uzumaki.

 

[Unbiased King]

Sorry came out wrong, what i meant was gaara and sasori have red hair yet their not uzuamkis

The argument is:

Uzumaki have red hair.

Not:

Red haired people are Uzumaki.