The Sage, his Brother and the Four Clans?

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

With the last chapter the whole clan heredity got even more complicated.

We knew that the Uzumaki and Senju are distant relatives, the same is hinted for Hyuuga and Uchiha. By now there are enough people who posted the theory that the Uzumaki and Hyuuga are offsprings of the sages brother and well I liked to believe in that too, but then I was reminded of something like an old problem with the whole Uzumaki-Senju story.

Why are the Senju's so weak compared to the Uzumaki?
They have no Kekkai Genkai as far as we know, Hashirama was the only one who ever had/activated the Mokuton. As direct descendents of the Sage you would expect something more, wouldn't you?

Meanwhile the Uzumaki clan doesn't have an offensive bloodline, but an impressive passive one. They have much more chakra then normal people, live longer and even have some self healing capacities.

Some now may argue that the Senju got the Sage's body, but was it ever explained what that even is? And wouldn't what the Uzumaki have fit the "body" quite well already?

 

[2nd hokage]

You could be right as I have said before the kids in japan take there mothers name so maybe.

 

[narutobasegod]

the senju are not weak at all they where said to be the clan of the forest and all master 1000 jutsu that's ithink is the reason tobi taught hiruzen the way he did to learn so many jutsu they always out classed the uchiha how are they weak

 

[Willie8622]

This is a really good question. Maybe the Uzumaki and Uchiha are the descendants of the Sage, and the Senju and Hyuuga are descendants of the Sage's Brother.

I know the Senju are a powerful clan and Hashirama and Tobirama are really good examples, but this does not mean that they are the descendants of the Sage.

But, all shall be revealed (I hope) in the future when Kishi is done telling his story of NARUTO.

But +rep for your theory.

 

[Shinato]

the senju are not weak at all they where said to be the clan of the forest and all master 1000 jutsu that's ithink is the reason tobi taught hiruzen the way he did to learn so many jutsu they always out classed the uchiha how are they weak

Wait, Tobi taught Hiruzen now? ( I think you mean Hashirama and Tobirama Senju. As Hiruzen was the student of both the Hokage's. ) Also, there is not stated anywhere that the Senju clan mastered over a 1000 jutsus, that belongs to Hiruzen. The Senju clan was known as the Clan of the Forest and was known as the strongest clan in its prime era, under the lead of Hashirama Senju. However, some deemed them only as powerful as the Uchiha, while others deemed them more powerful.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

the senju are not weak at all they where said to be the clan of the forest and all master 1000 jutsu that's ithink is the reason tobi taught hiruzen the way he did to learn so many jutsu they always out classed the uchiha how are they weak

While they are not really weak, although compared to the other 3 Clans that are related to the Sage/Kaguya or maybe the unnamed brother they get really the short end of the stick.
Furthermore the whole Sage body talk seems to be utter crap if the Uzumaki body is far more advanced.

 

[Shinato]

This is a really good question. Maybe the Uzumaki and Uchiha are the descendants of the Sage, and the Senju and Hyuuga are descendants of the Sage's Brother.

I know the Senju are a powerful clan and Hashirama and Tobirama are really good examples, but this does not mean that they are the descendants of the Sage.

But, all shall be revealed (I hope) in the future when Kishi is done telling his story of NARUTO.

But +rep for your theory.

It wouldn't make sense that you had to mix Senju power and Uchiha power in order to gain the power of Hagoromo if both of them didn't originate from him. The same goes for his brother, if you were to unlock the full power of either you would need to combine the two powers that originated from them.

 

[Shinato]

While they are not really weak, although compared to the other 3 Clans that are related to the Sage/Kaguya or maybe the unnamed brother they get really the short end of the stick.
Furthermore the whole Sage body talk seems to be utter crap if the Uzumaki body is far more advanced.

That are *possibly* related to the Sage/Kaguya. No proof that they are related just yet, so hold your hats. Also, how did the Senju get the short end of the stick? They were renowned as the strongest clan and Hashirama Senju was renowned as the strongest Shinobi of all time. Also, how is the Uzumaki body more advanced? They are blood relatives, they share a lot of similarities and Mokuton is still a lot more advanced and dangerous than anything the Uzumaki has shown yet.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

Only one Senju ever had Mokuton, while all Uzumaki have the chakra, longevity and the faster regeneration. All Hyuuga have the Byakugan and many Uchiha had the Sharingan. (ok this sounds almost like a pattern, the Byakugan doesn't need to be awakend, giving the Hyuuga some kind of advance over the Uchiha)

The Senju were no slackers, but compared to the other 3 Clans they have a harder start with no real bloodline whatsoever. And then there is the fact that it was said the Uchiha got the Sage's Eyes while the Senju have the body. But they have no characteristics that indicates an improved physiology, the only ones who have are the Uzumaki.

 

[Shinato]

Only one Senju ever had Mokuton, while all Uzumaki have the chakra, longevity and the faster regeneration. All Hyuuga have the Byakugan and many Uchiha had the Sharingan. (ok this sounds almost like a pattern, the Byakugan doesn't need to be awakend, giving the Hyuuga some kind of advance over the Uchiha)

The Senju were no slackers, but compared to the other 3 Clans they have a harder start with no real bloodline whatsoever. And then there is the fact that it was said the Uchiha got the Sage's Eyes while the Senju have the body. But they have no characteristics that indicates an improved physiology, the only ones who have are the Uzumaki.

Senju's has the strongest life force, they have shown other great abilities and their overall power level was stated to be the strongest in all of the Shinobi History. Note that, the Senju, Uchiha, Uzumaki and Hyuuga all existed at the same time, yet the Senju was renowned the strongest of all of them. The Senju has enormous stamina and life force, same as the Uzumaki and they have also shown the possibility of great healing. Hashirama for example is able to heal quicker than Naruto and without weaving hand signs, Tobirama is able to sense others by simply placing his fingers at the ground, Tobirama invented some of the most useful jutsus such as Kage Bushin and Rajin.

The Senju towers over the Uchiha and Hyuuga in the form of Life Force and physical energy and are on the same level as the Uzumaki. They have all shown great skill, and let me note that 3 Senju's have been made Hokage while no Uchiha, Uzumaki or Hyuuga has ever made it. The Senju was born with the body of Hagoromo, and Ashura had a power that rivalled Indra, Ashura was the very first of the Senju Lineage.

 

[JustAnotherNarutoFan]

Probably but the whole thing somehow dies down to the Hype about Hashirama's cells, which makes all other Senju look like fodder. Then you have the fact that Kishimoto decided to kill all of them through some unknown event.
Furthermore it seems that Uzumaki are the best hosts for biju's, with all those things I am not quite convinced that the Senju body was that good and maybe just Hashirama was a exception.
They are most likely Ashura's descendents, but that could also mean that they just got strong by training like crazy and their own determination and had no bloodline at all.

 

[Shinato]

Probably but the whole thing somehow dies down to the Hype about Hashirama's cells, which makes all other Senju look like fodder. Then you have the fact that Kishimoto decided to kill all of them through some unknown event.
Furthermore it seems that Uzumaki are the best hosts for biju's, with all those things I am not quite convinced that the Senju body was that good and maybe just Hashirama was a exception.
They are most likely Ashura's descendents, but that could also mean that they just got strong by training like crazy and their own determination and had no bloodline at all.

Both the Senju and Uchiha are born with unique abilities, the only difference is that the Uchiha are born with them while the Senju has to work for it. They have proven the to be the best medical ninjutsu users, they have proven to be the strongest clan to ever exist and they have proven that many times. Hashirama was the strongest, sure but that doesn't make all the Senju's worthless. If you remember, the Uchiha sent out 5 grown men to simply take down a single young, Senju boy. If they used 5 people to take down a single boy, then they are either sadistic or they were afraid of the skill level. Another thing to note, the Uchiha's of today are weak compared to the older ones, we know that from what Madara stated. ( He stated that the new generations are weaker than the older ones, including the Uchiha. ) So, if the past Uchiha's were all stronger than what we had today then you can most likely view all of them as around Itachi's power level in the past. ( Though they may have lacked the mental part that he had, which was his main reason for being so OP. )

Now, if they were all that strong and they still managed to lose to the Senju clan, what does that tell you? It tells that the past Senju and the current Senju ( as only past members have been shown. ) were stronger or than the past Uchiha's. Which by Madara statement, was a lot stronger than the current generation. The Senju, has always beaten the Uchiha, that is proven fact that the Senju is stronger than the Uchiha.

The Hyuuga has shown very little in the way of power, and any Senju that we've seen could have easily beaten any Hyuuga we've seen. Uzumaki's may have had a possible chance against any of the Senju's we've seen. However, Nagato only had Rinnegan because he was given it, its not a Uzumaki power. That and the fact that he wasn't able to fully use the Rinnegan, so that doesn't count towards the Uzumaki's power. Uzumaki's may have been better vessels for Bijuu's, but that may also just be because they are talented at sealing jutsus, as the Senju and Uzumaki's both have strong life forces.

 

[narutobasegod]

The Senju clan gained their fame in the era before the founding of the hidden villages. Where other clans focused on mastering one particular set of skills, the Senju were prodigious in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, and genjutsu. Because of this, they were known as "the clan with a thousand skills" (「千の手を持つ一族」, "sen no te o motsu ichizoku"), which gave them their name "Senju" (千手; Literally meaning ""a thousand skills", "a thousand hands"").[ I GOTT THIS OFF THE INTERNET BROTHER SINCE I DONT REMEMBER WHICH MANGA IT WAS STATED BUT I DO REMEMBER SEEING IT ON THE MAGNA SO I WENT TO GUUD OLE GOOGLE BROTHER THERES THE PROOF